thebisnac

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I'll try to fill this out as accurately as possible. I'm sure some people have had good sales with Lee Dutton, and I'm sure there has been bad.
My transaction with Lee started off great. He was selling a set of Cwest sleek headlights for the FD for a decent price so I figured I would buy them up (link below)

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-rx-7-1993-2002-parts-99/c-west-headlights-870255/

He claimed the lights were in great condition so I decided to send him an offer. Following are a ton of pm's and emails and texts.


Here is a pic


They looked good, so I wanted them.

Pics



And now all the excuses start!!


The lights arrived damaged on Nov 19th. I contacted Lee and sent him pics. He claimed they were perfect when he shipped them. If they were perfect, wouldnt the large missing piece of plastic be in the shipping box? It wasnt.

pics




After I sent the pics he was still saying it was a shipping problem and he would get it worked out, and if they would work it out then he would buy me both covers since they were both messed up. I said all I wanted was the one cover that was actually missing a piece to be replaced.

(Sorry for not having written proof)
After a couple weeks go by Lee said he was going to order the part, but it was on back order but it should arrive 1 week after xmas. We left it at that. So I waited until after xmas.

Since I didn't hear anything, I sent him a text on the number he gave me 603-321-8862

I never heard from him so I sent him a couple PM's of places where he can get a cover faster.

Didn't hear from Lee so I sent him a text the next evening.

I guess I trust people too easily, because I knew that you can not PM Chaser aero, you can only email them to get in contact with them. But I still left it like that.

I waited a few days and didn't hear back so I sent Lee a text

Never got a text back that day

I'm not going to bother posting the rest of the texts from Jan 19 because they were all talking about how much of a dare devil he is, and that he was in the hospital because he got injured at karate, blah blah blah.
This is the only one I will post.

I only posted that one just because he claims how much he makes.

I waited a few more days (all I do is wait)

Heard nothing back, so I sent him a PM showing how irritated I was. I sent it to his email typerlee@aol.com, his pm box, and his PS3 id (Ironmanlee)

Also a text

He didn't like my email

Finally some light at the end of the tunnel......NOPE!

Never got a text back that night or a phone call.
Sooooo I waited

didn't hear back.

What a suprise, I never hear back again!!

He actually called me and he told me that the cover should be at his place when he arrives home and he would call.

Didn't get a call back soooo

He didn't call. I am very patient apparently.

So I gave him a couple days

More BS!

No response again! So I FINALLY decided to call around to places

I called cwest again, and got the price of the cover shipped to me...they are not backordered either...weird.

No paypal transfer went on. I don't know why I expected it to happen.

For the next week I kept sending the same text every other day, but never heard back.

Still didn't hear from him, so I sent a text this monday
Finally got a text back. But what a joke it was.

I sent one final one back saying that it's been 5 months hope to see it soon.

I posted this today because I've just had enough. I'm not hurting for cash, but it's the fact of the matter. To screw someone over like 150-200 bucks worth of merchandise is a joke. Then to say your mom is the one texting me? BULLSHIT!!
I don't know about the rest of you guys on here, but my mom sure as hell doesn't know how to text a full paragraph, and to say that he apparently told his mom that he would send me the money when he got released I find is ridiculous as well. What was it? His wish on his death bed for his mom to tell me. I know I wouldn't be concerned about telling someone about a measly 155 bucks if I was in critical condition.

So after typing all this which has taken up so much of my time today, the coles notes of it is, don't ever by from this seller Typerlee. He is a full out scammer and a clown for making up so much bullshit over the past 5 months.

Thanks for reading
Mike

David Hayes

iTrader: (6)

Wow, it never ceases to amaze me what someone will do (or not do) for $150. Where has all the honesty and integrity gone?

Montego

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man I'm sorry to hear this happened to you. Try to look in the bright side it's only 150 USD and now you have learned a very vauable lesson that can save you a lot more money in the future.


1) Always use a credit card through paypal.

There is a reason why paypal always pushes for the buyer to use his bank account rather than a CC. If you think it, about why would they care? all they do is transfer the money from one account to the other. So what business is it of theirs where the funds come from as long as they are legitimate... Paypal arbitrates, and if the decision is found to be in your favor they claim to get you your money back. Except that if the seller haz zero $$ on his bank account then paypal doesn't do **** for you. Your bank can't do anything either.

I love using my CC through paypal as its a great safety net. Your CC company all simply cares is that its customer (you) got what he paid for. They don't argue with the seller about how it broke in transit, nor do they call up the shipping company (as most sellers tell us to do). Nope it's all black and white to them, if they see that you didn't get what you paid for (and you actually tried to work the issue out before calling them up) you get your money back. They just pull from where it was deposited into and in this case it's paypal's account.

If there is an issue first try and resolve it through the seller. If you don't get anywhere then go through paypal, last and the most effective way is to complain to your CC company. Now If you do have a legitimate complaint and didn't take too long to file a claim: the CC company will yank the funds back from paypal and into your CC card. Bam! that's it, the money issue becomes paypal's (since the money was taken from their account) and the seller's problem now. Because of course paypal will want it's money back from the seller. Paypal has a team of lawyers that deal with this issue on a daily basis, so if the seller doesn't return the money it gets treated as an unpaid debt. Sure enough his/her credit will be ruined if it goes unpaid as it will eventually go to collections. But all of this costs paypal money so they rather have you take the hit and have you transfer money from your bank account rather than a CC.


2) Don't wait forever to file a complaint. I'd say give them a couple of weeks at most. Time is your enemy when it comes to online transactions.


A while back I bought an item from a fellow forum member. It had been a couple of weeks and item had not arrived from the time he said he sent it. I specifically asked for a tracking number and he never gave me one. I started to smell trouble so I contacted him with my concerns and he claimed to be not responsible since he already had shipped the item and to contact them.... nice, seemed rather comfortable with himself... My response was hey I don't have a tracking number to complain about to the shipping company, plus I didn't pay for the shipping so I don't have a receipt and I didn't choose to hire that particular company so I fail to see how this becomes my responsibily and not yours. His reply was rather unsympathetic and like I said he believed that his part was over. So to get his butt in gear I proceeded to tell him that I paid with a CC card and ultimately I would call them up and simply get my money back. I don't think he believed me. To get the ball rolling I called paypal, sure enough funds were no longer in his account. Next I called my CC company and explained the whole situation, sent them emails showing proof of transaction, and the CC company agreed I should get my money back and were going to pull funds. Given that ruling I decided to wait one more week just in case. Sure enough it arrived a few days later. So I called up the CC company and told them the item had arrived. I also contacted the seller and told him the item had arrived and that next time please provide a tracking number because I had already contacted my CC and they were about to pull the funds back. Communication is key.

What I gather was that the guy was not a scammer he's just a procrastinator. I was curious so I checked up on when the item was actually shipped. Just as I suspected a week after he originally said he was gonna do it. That's why he didn't want to give me a tracking number I believe. That's huge pet peeve of mine. From where I stand I expect my item to be shipped within 24 hrs (48 max) of accepting payment, if the seller isn't ready to send my item then they should not click on the accept payment icon. It's that simple and I think most would agree on that school of thought.

thebisnac

iTrader: (5)

I completely agree with everything you said and yes like I said in my last paragraph, at least it was only a minimal amount that I'm not hurting over. Whether he is a scammer or just a procrastinator, I don't think I will ever know for certain, unless I get another text from his "mom".
I've never had a problem with any member on here using paypal. I guess I just waited a long time because I'm too nice and I really do like giving people the benefit of the doubt. I will be more cautious from now on, and thanks for all the info about how paypal works.

M

Natey

iTrader: (19)

He hasn't been around since January, either. I hate to say it, but i think you got burned. Sorry for the loss, but thanks for the heads-up.

Rice Hata

iTrader: (24)

I'm sorry to see this bs with TypeRlee/Lee Dutton. I had a bad dealing with him regarding the claimed "93-95 R1" rear spoiler he was selling. He's been a member for years now and tried to pawn his 96+ JDM whale tail spoiler off as the one I was looking for. He hadn't shipped my wing out after sitting on my $$ for 2 weeks so I started pestering him. He made up some bs excuses and finally took a picture of the wing because I didn't believe it existed. When I saw it was the wrong wing, I was a little more than pissed off. So, I asked nicely for my money back via Paypal (I didn't use my credit card unfortunately) and he refused (nice guy). I then told him I was filing a complaint with Paypal if he didn't reimburse me. He then threatened that I would only get the nominal account balance he had in Paypal if I did this. A bunch of angry/threatening emails later and he actually refunded the money.

Remember, when buying a part from someone, don't take their word about the condition or even the actual product, you MUST GET A PICTURE! I also realized that PayPal isn't my best friend, they can only minimally assist you if there is a problem. Montego has some additional hints that should help as well.

Again, I'm sorry this happened to you. I agree, it's definitely more about the situation than the money. If he resurfaces, DO NOT deal with TypeRlee!!

Leon Dutton JR
10 August circle
Goffstown, NH 03045
United States

thebisnac

iTrader: (5)

It sucks that he has screwed other people. At least you got your money back
I hope he doesn't resurface and if he does I hope others see this and stay away!!

M

thebisnac

iTrader: (5)

I agree, I will be watching to see if he comes back. How long ago was it that you were dealing with him about the wing? Because when I was dealing with him back in Oct/Nov he was trying to sell me other parts as well and he claimed the spoiler was the 96+.

I'm really not a fan of bad talking people especially if it can ruin there rep. However, I know I waited to long to speak up, and from this experience I won't wait that long again.

M

thebisnac

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small update

decided to send Lee (TypeRlee) a text today

I got a text back only minutes later!

What a clown! lol
So i sent my paypal address :P

Rice Hata

iTrader: (24)

Same BS from this douche^^. He said the same things-- everything from "I shipped out the part, but didn't realize FedEx has a signature policy so the part came back twice". Try asking for a tracking # and see if he responds...nope. I called him out on not shipping the part and he admitted that he never did.

There aren't many FD owners on here from New Hampshire, so he'll never sell another part on here as long as I'm around even if he gets a new username.

Stay on him and be a pita, that's how I got him to finally give in. Keep calling/texting/emailing/etc, he won't change his phone number.

1FAASTFD3S

iTrader: (33)

I know Lee personally and have dealt with him multiple times, quite a few in person. He is a very nice and a very reasonable guy and Ive always been extremely happy with our transactions. Lee usually goes above and beyond what most would do and that says alot. I wouldnt hesitate to buy anything from him.. Its unfortunate that your headlights were damaged in shipping, but I wouldnt be pointing the finger at Lee because of that.. I buy and ship things constantly and the reality is that a honest 5-10% of the items I ship or buy end up getting damaged by the shipping carrier(usually DHL or USPS and occasionally UPS).. Since this was shipped into Canada the odds of shipping damage are even greater.. Im dealing right now with having been shipped a Alpine Car Dvd player and multimedia center that I received D.O.A. and the box didnt even look damaged!! Now I am stuck paying shipping to return the item, which I will not be reimbursed and I loose out on the shipping I paid to receive it... so I understand your frustrations. While I agree that waiting months for your cover is a pain and I sympathize, I also know that shipping companies dont respond to insurance claims favorably most of the time and shipping insurance is a joke... so someone ends up getting shafted... How would you feel if you shipped someone something in great condition only to find out it was damaged when it got there and the buyer is looking at you to dip into your pockets to pay for it... Would you even pay for it? Most of the time the sellers wont and you cant really blame them... The fact that Lee offered to help you out and pay for new covers shows his character.... So what if hes trying to minimize how much money he loses by trying to find a good deal on the covers... I dont think alot of people would even waste their time with it... If it was such a big deal you could have easily filed a claim with paypal and let them decide your case. Now, since you didnt, you really dont have any legal leg to stand on... sad but true... and Lee really doesnt have to send you anything. I think the fact that Lee is still talking to you and trying to make it right despite all the drama thats going on in his life shows that he is a good guy...

As for RiceHata, you sound like a bitter old woman....You got your money back and you are still bitching...lol Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned huh??? Not only are you still bitter, but you also go out of your way to try and trash on Lee?? Can we say vengeful much? Maybe you need to stop "hating" and go see a womans support group...

David Hayes

iTrader: (6)

^Really? You can't be serious can you? It is Lee's responsibility to get the product to the buyer in the condition he describes, not the buyer's fault. Lee should immediately make this right and then deal with the shipping claim himself as it is his responsibility. I shipped an alternator to a forum member a few years ago and it arrived broken. Did I hang out the buyer with shipping claim excuses? No, I immediately refunded him his money and I dealt with the claim and got my money back several months later. But I didn't string the buyer out for that time as it just isn't his problem.

And doesn't it seem strange to you that the missing chunk of headlight cover was not in the package? And finally, this has been going on since October, over 5 months. Lee promises to make it right and here we are, over 5 months later, waiting on him.

Lee offered to "help him out"? No, what he did was promise to fix something that is his responsibility. Period. End of story. And your comment about him not having "a legal leg to stand on" really pisses me off. When has it become okay not to do the right thing, regardless of whether there is a legal obligation or not? Frankly I believe you are wrong on this and that he could sue and win but that is another point.

Let's see how much of a standup guy Lee is and see if he pays this guy back and makes this right. I am sorry for Lee's alleged difficulties, but frankly, that's not the buyer's fault. He was healthy enough to take this guy's money but he can't now send the guy $150?

Stuff like just pisses me off. Stop making excuses Lee and pay this guy back. Move on with life. Period.

Rice Hata

iTrader: (24)

Amen David^^

I wish I didn't have to waste my time to dignify your post with a response 1FastFD3s, but by defending Lee, you're worse than him. Bottom line, the guy is a scammer and you look ridiculous by taking his side. If Lee is your buddy (or you are another one of Lee's usernames), then be a sport and help out the OP. If aren't going to be helpful, don't post here.

Lai-ca

iTrader: (3)

Whoa, just read this whole thread. Ugly stuff, glad I didnt end up buying from him in the end.

Hope you get it sorted!!

mar3

iTrader: (8)

If this is true, tell him he has a week to resolve this matter or his account is going on vacation...I'm going to check all of his threads now for any open classifieds and lock them.

Mario III, SuperModerator

thebisnac

iTrader: (5)

I've been watching his profile lately to see if he comes on. Last I saw was on the 8th of this month. That day he posted in the "wheels and tires" section saying he wants to buy 18" rims, so I posted the link to this thread in his WTB ad.
I highly doubt he will ever respond to me. I have sent so many texts to the guy, left voicemails, and have emailed and pm'd him. He is just a waste of space on here and doesn't deserve the privelege to take part in this forum.

Thank you for wanting to take actions against his account.

Mike

mar3

iTrader: (8)

Countdown to Cinco de Mayo...that's when the bell tolls.

FD Insanity

Well... One, Im not a scammer. I sent the lights, as pictured, in 100% working order. Two- Rice Hata.. I was new to RX7's when I was selling the wing, and had no idea it was the wrong one. I actually bought it from "Panda Garage" as a JDM R1 wing, so my apologies, and ill gladly pay for your trip to New England if you wanna play that game.

Mike Legere- Can you prove to me you didnt break these on your own? I had them insured, I took pics of the condition and somehow I owe YOU money. How do I know your not scamming me? This is ludacris.. Just proves how sad some peoples lives are.. You form a posse on a website to "Ban" me. Moderator, I have contacted you. Also Mike, I havent heard from you Since January when I was going through my divorce in hospitilized for a pre-existing heart condition. Sorry that issue got in the way of you screwing me.

thebisnac

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Lol, you really are a clown lee. Yes I'm definitely scamming you because you sent fucked up lights? Lol seriously? Are you mental?. As for pics, take a look at the ones you sent me. There are no closeups showing the pics of scratches and missing pieces. As for not hearing from me since january, I kept all the texts we had back and forth and as you can see in my first post it had texts from feb and march as well. Keep singing your tune that your not a scammer. Ill post in any forsale or wtb ad you ever make informing everyone how you screwed me, and didn't owe up to it.
As for the text you sent me earlier saying your going to pay me, ill believe it when I see it, and ill make sure to post on here saying you sent me money if in fact that day comes

David Hayes

iTrader: (6)

IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A SELLER TO TAKE CARE OF ITEMS THAT ARRIVE DAMAGED!! IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A SELLER TO TAKE CARE OF ITEMS THAT ARRIVE DAMAGED!! ONE MORE TIME: IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A SELLER TO TAKE CARE OF ITEMS THAT ARRIVE DAMAGED!!

It is not up to the buyer to "prove" he didn't screw up the lenses. He promptly notified you and took pics of the damage and also points out the piece of the lens that you claim was damaged in transit/or by him was NOT IN THE BOX. Sucks, but that is the way it is in business Lee. You must file the claim with UPS (probably too late now) and you should have promptly refunded enough money to cover the lens which by the way is $120 plus shipping. How do I know? I just ordered one two weeks ago for my mechanic. He needed one for a customer's car that came in with the headlight lens cracked but the customer claimed the mechanic did it. What did the mechanic do? He bit the bullet and bought the customer a new lens. No fuss, no saying prove it, just the right thing.

Sorry Lee you are clearly wrong here - period. He didn't receive what was promised and it doesn't matter when it happened. Man up and do the right thing and buy him a new lens. PM me if you want to know where to get these and yes, Chaser has been on back order for months and still is. They are however, available elsewhere.

Until you take care of your business, you are a scammer in my book.

thebisnac

iTrader: (5)

^thanks for posting that
As for the covers, I have already bought replacements from chaser about a month ago. 5 months of waiting for a cover is ridiculous so I took it into my own hands. I bought both covers and have only asked to be reimbursed for one, even though both covers were scratched to ****.
As said in an earlier post by me, lee texted me earlier today saying he will be sending me the money today, but only time will tell.

FD Insanity

I had to get a new bank account from my divorce. Awaiting paypal confirmation as I type this. I really could care less what the internet public feels is true or not, since I am the only one who has walked in my shoes since december.

Mike, Im sorry you feel scammed. I will make it right, like I promised. I had a heart attack, and got divorced all in a few months. Things dont always go as planned. My apologies all around.

FD Insanity

Btw.. 1fastfd3 isnt me.. And thank you for defending me. **** happens. Rice, your a tool. Shut up already. It was hardly a month long thing with you and I, you paid, I sent a pic, and I refunded your money two days later.
I love how fast people on the internet jump on the hate bandwagon when it is NONE of their business.

Those of you that are participating in this matter in a semi adult fashion, I understand why you feel the way you do, and it is going to be resolved today. The End.

FD Insanity

Mike has been paid, payment sent 5/3 @ 445pm est.

Apologies for the misunderstanding.

thebisnac

iTrader: (5)

The money has been received. I appreciate that the matter has finally been resolved. Like I said in the texts back and forth over the past 20 minutes with you Lee, I know something like this won't happen again, and it's unfortunate things turned out the way they did.
The issue is resolved, and Lee has come good on the agreement we made in 09.

Mar3 - I'm sending you a PM now, but if you see this before hand, the issue has been resolved, and Lee's account has no more need of being banned.

Thanks
Mike