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09-07-12, 05:11 AM
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Mr aimee. You are full of it. Explain to me why the ticket on my garage door was a damage claim? There are no broken pieces in the box. You clearly just tryed to get over on me, push me around and gave me a hard time. The only reason I have offered to keep the part is because I could use the meta part of the housing and swap my parts on to it. I am done with you. You are a pos seller. You have a bad attitude, use false advertising, ship damaged goods, etc etc etc.
09-07-12, 09:48 AM
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I somehow knew you wouldnt the pieces lol, oh well, I guess I just pay $56 for your integrity. thats fine with me.
Im a pos seller?
Lets keep it simple, you got an item and it arrive not as describe. You contact me and I reply in the same business day with a full refund if I get the item back. Can you think of a place that would refund u first and wait for their item? Lol not really. But hey, we're on rx7club and im happy to play by the rules here.
So whats the deal now? Youre gonna keep it cause im trying to fraud FedEx? Lol.
Btw, last time I check, the whole light housing w/out cover with motor and shroud is more than the 82.50 u offer me to keep. So your intention is noted.
Im a pos seller?
Lets keep it simple, you got an item and it arrive not as describe. You contact me and I reply in the same business day with a full refund if I get the item back. Can you think of a place that would refund u first and wait for their item? Lol not really. But hey, we're on rx7club and im happy to play by the rules here.
So whats the deal now? Youre gonna keep it cause im trying to fraud FedEx? Lol.
Btw, last time I check, the whole light housing w/out cover with motor and shroud is more than the 82.50 u offer me to keep. So your intention is noted.
09-07-12, 10:25 AM
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Mr aimee. You are full of it. Explain to me why the ticket on my garage door was a damage claim? There are no broken pieces in the box. You clearly just tryed to get over on me, push me around and gave me a hard time. The only reason I have offered to keep the part is because I could use the meta part of the housing and swap my parts on to it. I am done with you. You are a pos seller. You have a bad attitude, use false advertising, ship damaged goods, etc etc etc.
09-07-12, 10:37 AM
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Im a pos seller?
Lets keep it simple, you got an item and it arrive not as describe. You contact me and I reply in the same business day with a full refund if I get the item back. Can you think of a place that would refund u first and wait for their item? Lol not really. But hey, we're on rx7club and im happy to play by the rules here.
So whats the deal now? Youre gonna keep it cause im trying to fraud FedEx? Lol.
Btw, last time I check, the whole light housing w/out cover with motor and shroud is more than the 82.50 u offer me to keep. So your intention is noted.
09-07-12, 03:13 PM
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Your logic doesnt fly. You agreed to sell him a certain part at a certain price. You did not at any time indicate the problems with the part and it is your responsibility to do so. If the part is supposed to be worth more, then thats on you--no one forced you to price it where you did. Clearly you felt that it was a fair price for it, so lets not start picking this apart now. You sold it. He bought it. You lied about its condition and got caught. Nuff said.
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I agree with that the most. I sold it, he bought, I made a huge mistake about it (in your book, lying about it). That's fine, I admit it's my fault, but intentionally lying to start all this over 165$. No.
"IN THIS SALE, you screwed up big time. That doesnt make you a good seller in my book--are you aware that what you have done fits the legal definition of FRAUD? "
Yes i screw up big time in this sale. Will definitely learn from it. But now you are calling me intentionally committing fraud, if you want to put that to the test, I will gladly take a polygraph test to proof that I did not intentionally try to rip this guy off, we'll split the cost of that polygraph test. Since you talks with such conviction that I plan all this.
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I agree with that the most. I sold it, he bought, I made a huge mistake about it (in your book, lying about it). That's fine, I admit it's my fault, but intentionally lying to start all this over 165$. No.
"IN THIS SALE, you screwed up big time. That doesnt make you a good seller in my book--are you aware that what you have done fits the legal definition of FRAUD? "
Yes i screw up big time in this sale. Will definitely learn from it. But now you are calling me intentionally committing fraud, if you want to put that to the test, I will gladly take a polygraph test to proof that I did not intentionally try to rip this guy off, we'll split the cost of that polygraph test. Since you talks with such conviction that I plan all this.
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09-07-12, 05:19 PM
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Just call FedEx, person handling will call me back within 24-48hrs with regards to coming out again. Once I hear from them, I will let u know. If u plan to box it up tonight, please place all original packing with the box.
09-07-12, 08:32 PM
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Your logic doesnt fly. You agreed to sell him a certain part at a certain price. You did not at any time indicate the problems with the part and it is your responsibility to do so. If the part is supposed to be worth more, then thats on you--no one forced you to price it where you did. Clearly you felt that it was a fair price for it, so lets not start picking this apart now. You sold it. He bought it. You lied about its condition and got caught. Nuff said.
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I agree with that the most. I sold it, he bought, I made a huge mistake about it (in your book, lying about it). That's fine, I admit it's my fault, but intentionally lying to start all this over 165$. No.
"IN THIS SALE, you screwed up big time. That doesnt make you a good seller in my book--are you aware that what you have done fits the legal definition of FRAUD? "
Yes i screw up big time in this sale. Will definitely learn from it. But now you are calling me intentionally committing fraud, if you want to put that to the test, I will gladly take a polygraph test to proof that I did not intentionally try to rip this guy off, we'll split the cost of that polygraph test. Since you talks with such conviction that I plan all this.
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I agree with that the most. I sold it, he bought, I made a huge mistake about it (in your book, lying about it). That's fine, I admit it's my fault, but intentionally lying to start all this over 165$. No.
"IN THIS SALE, you screwed up big time. That doesnt make you a good seller in my book--are you aware that what you have done fits the legal definition of FRAUD? "
Yes i screw up big time in this sale. Will definitely learn from it. But now you are calling me intentionally committing fraud, if you want to put that to the test, I will gladly take a polygraph test to proof that I did not intentionally try to rip this guy off, we'll split the cost of that polygraph test. Since you talks with such conviction that I plan all this.
Give it a rest.
Let me spell this out for you--
1--you knew the condition of the part.
2--you chose not to mention the problems with the part--this was a choice you made. It was not an accident. It wasnt like you "forgot". You even said as much.
As I said, what you did MEETS THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF FRAUD. You knew it was broken. You did not say it was broken. What good reason could you possibly have for not telling the true condition in the FS thread? When something "meets the legal description" that doesnt mean it was your intention all along, chief--so get the hell over yourself, and fast. I do not mix words in here--if I was trying to say that you planned this, I would simply have said you planned this.
Now youre going to flip your melon and talk about a polygraph?? Youre whining about having to be out $56 for shipping! I dont need a polygraph and I dont personally care if your intention was to defraud or not--the fact remains that you KNEW it was broken, and you DELIBERATELY chose not to disclose that. This is NOT ACCEPTABLE. We do not do things that way on this forum.
You are no longer allowed to sell on this forum. Not one single part. Not to anyone, in any section. I cannot and will not tolerate this kind of game. You were wrong, you KNEW you were wrong, and you still tried to justify it when the buyer notified you. So thats the end of your selling--and if youre caught trying to sell either through threads or PMs, youre gonna get the boot from the forum faster than you can say "polygraph".
I do believe I've made my point clearly enough.....
09-07-12, 09:37 PM
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I knew I was wrong, I offer refund. Buyer wants full, I did half just in case. Went on here after buyer didn't response, you said to sent the other half, I did.
I knew it was damage for the window caulking and harness. I didn't mention it. Therefore, I offer full refund once item is sent back, isn't this how it works on this forum? But you step in to help, saying how I handle myself, I should refund and pay for shipping. Done, refund and agree to pay for shipping.
So I follow all your instructions except for your attack on my character. Like RotaryRevolution mentions, not everyone out there is out to get someone. So I made a mistake and according to all the evidence toward me it was fraud, I didn't agree. Regardless, the buyer got what he wanted his money, I got I wanted, my item.
The matters is resolve, yet the rest of it is all about definition and judgement. I disagree agree with your judgement, but follow your instructions for the interest of the buyer.
In the end, I get banned from selling on this forum is because I disagree with your logic not what you mutually decide between me and the buyer. I refunded and the matters with the buyer has been resolve. Isn't that what mod are for? To resolve issue between buyer and seller.
As you stated you, we agree to sell on this forum for free, all we do is follow mods instructions. At what point did I not follow your instructions?
The forum has the right to refuse service to anyone. This is not a democracy or a public forum. That's your right to ban me from selling because I was wrong.
With the polygraph comment, I apologize try for it already. That comment broke the forum rule on attacking a mod. But i try to fix it but it was too late.
According to you, I knew it was damage, deliberately send it. But you forgot to to mention:
I offer refund the first minute he sent a pm, now he is fully refunded and I am getting my item back. So the lost of his time? Should I pay that $40 to fully take care of the customer?
But hey, it's not a democracy.
I knew it was damage for the window caulking and harness. I didn't mention it. Therefore, I offer full refund once item is sent back, isn't this how it works on this forum? But you step in to help, saying how I handle myself, I should refund and pay for shipping. Done, refund and agree to pay for shipping.
So I follow all your instructions except for your attack on my character. Like RotaryRevolution mentions, not everyone out there is out to get someone. So I made a mistake and according to all the evidence toward me it was fraud, I didn't agree. Regardless, the buyer got what he wanted his money, I got I wanted, my item.
The matters is resolve, yet the rest of it is all about definition and judgement. I disagree agree with your judgement, but follow your instructions for the interest of the buyer.
In the end, I get banned from selling on this forum is because I disagree with your logic not what you mutually decide between me and the buyer. I refunded and the matters with the buyer has been resolve. Isn't that what mod are for? To resolve issue between buyer and seller.
As you stated you, we agree to sell on this forum for free, all we do is follow mods instructions. At what point did I not follow your instructions?
The forum has the right to refuse service to anyone. This is not a democracy or a public forum. That's your right to ban me from selling because I was wrong.
With the polygraph comment, I apologize try for it already. That comment broke the forum rule on attacking a mod. But i try to fix it but it was too late.
According to you, I knew it was damage, deliberately send it. But you forgot to to mention:
I offer refund the first minute he sent a pm, now he is fully refunded and I am getting my item back. So the lost of his time? Should I pay that $40 to fully take care of the customer?
But hey, it's not a democracy.
09-07-12, 09:42 PM
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"You were wrong, you KNEW you were wrong, and you still tried to justify it when the buyer notified you. "
He notify me and I offer refund! What I try to justify was that the headlight cover was not broken before shipment. Regardless, does it matters? What was the point of the thread? For him to get his money right? The item I want back and he wanted his money and he got his money. What else is there?
He notify me and I offer refund! What I try to justify was that the headlight cover was not broken before shipment. Regardless, does it matters? What was the point of the thread? For him to get his money right? The item I want back and he wanted his money and he got his money. What else is there?
09-07-12, 10:33 PM
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I knew I was wrong, I offer refund. Buyer wants full, I did half just in case. Went on here after buyer didn't response, you said to sent the other half, I did.
I knew it was damage for the window caulking and harness. I didn't mention it. Therefore, I offer full refund once item is sent back, isn't this how it works on this forum? But you step in to help, saying how I handle myself, I should refund and pay for shipping. Done, refund and agree to pay for shipping.
I knew it was damage for the window caulking and harness. I didn't mention it. Therefore, I offer full refund once item is sent back, isn't this how it works on this forum? But you step in to help, saying how I handle myself, I should refund and pay for shipping. Done, refund and agree to pay for shipping.
So I follow all your instructions except for your attack on my character.
Like RotaryRevolution mentions, not everyone out there is out to get someone. So I made a mistake and according to all the evidence toward me it was fraud, I didn't agree. Regardless, the buyer got what he wanted his money, I got I wanted, my item.
1--you freely admit that you knew of the problems with the part.
2--you freely admit that you did not disclose any of those problems when you listed it for sale.
Is this correct so far? YOU TELL ME, what possible reason could you have had for neglecting to tell the truth about this? You admit you knew about it, so you tell me one good reason why someone would choose to leave that information out! I can only think of two--you either forgot or you decided on purpose not to say anything. You admit you didnt forget. What does that leave? Look, whether you said to yourself "i'm gonna take this guy's cash" or you said "I just feel like getting rid of the part so I'm gonna leave it as is", you STILL intentionally misled people. Wrap your head around that already.
In the end, I get banned from selling on this forum is because I disagree with your logic not what you mutually decide between me and the buyer.
--intentionally lied in your FS thread.
--tried to make excuses for it later.
--continually twist what I have said so you can keep the disagreement going.
You wish to add anything to the list with your next post?
I refunded and the matters with the buyer has been resolve. Isn't that what mod are for? To resolve issue between buyer and seller.
As you stated you, we agree to sell on this forum for free, all we do is follow mods instructions. At what point did I not follow your instructions?
The forum has the right to refuse service to anyone. This is not a democracy or a public forum. That's your right to ban me from selling because I was wrong.
With the polygraph comment, I apologize try for it already. That comment broke the forum rule on attacking a mod. But i try to fix it but it was too late.
According to you, I knew it was damage, deliberately send it. But you forgot to to mention:
I offer refund the first minute he sent a pm, now he is fully refunded and I am getting my item back. So the lost of his time? Should I pay that $40 to fully take care of the customer?
I offer refund the first minute he sent a pm, now he is fully refunded and I am getting my item back. So the lost of his time? Should I pay that $40 to fully take care of the customer?
Base on my opinion and the pics u saw and for the price you pay, I still think its cheap. Regardless, if u are still unhappy about the transaction, please send the item back and I will issue refund.
As for the loss of his time, didnt I already address that? I certainly do remember doing it.....perhaps you should try reading it before you speak about it.
But hey, it's not a democracy.
09-07-12, 10:38 PM
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"You were wrong, you KNEW you were wrong, and you still tried to justify it when the buyer notified you. "
He notify me and I offer refund! What I try to justify was that the headlight cover was not broken before shipment. Regardless, does it matters? What was the point of the thread? For him to get his money right? The item I want back and he wanted his money and he got his money. What else is there?
He notify me and I offer refund! What I try to justify was that the headlight cover was not broken before shipment. Regardless, does it matters? What was the point of the thread? For him to get his money right? The item I want back and he wanted his money and he got his money. What else is there?
you have said what you had to say. I have told you what I have to say. ENOUGH!!! Quit arguing over this! You did wrong. You got caught. That alone is sufficient for me to ban you from selling because that nonsense is NOT AT ALL tolerated here. If you have a problem with that, you should have thought of that before you knew you werent being honest about this part. THIS IS DONE. The only thing left for you to say is to let us know when you receive the part.
END OF STORY.
09-07-12, 11:09 PM
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-I admit my mistake and offer refund, why didnt I run instead?
Please post the evidence where say that I didnt forget to mention.
Throughout this entire thread, I forgot to disclose the information. So yes, I misled the guy.
Who am I? Im just a member, just trying to convey I made a mistake with the sale and didnt ran from it but took care of it and ask for help. If that was wrong, then I really dont know what is right.
Please post the evidence where say that I didnt forget to mention.
Throughout this entire thread, I forgot to disclose the information. So yes, I misled the guy.
Who am I? Im just a member, just trying to convey I made a mistake with the sale and didnt ran from it but took care of it and ask for help. If that was wrong, then I really dont know what is right.
09-08-12, 12:51 AM
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What makes you think it matters? It doesnt. Your selling practices are against our TOS here and flat out unacceptable, no matter what you did after the fact. What part of this are you having trouble understanding?
Dude, you admitted you were aware. You admitted you should have said something but did not. And you admitted you misled the buyer. NOTHING MORE NEEDS TO BE SAID--that means STOP TALKING.
They say admitting your problem is the first step...
Dude, you instantly and immediately knew what the buyer was talking about when he said there was a problem. your response wasnt "oh, sorry, I forgot all about that"....it was instantly to try to justify the good deal that you believed he still got! Now, suppose he wasnt looking to tear it all apart--suppose he was just going to take it out of the box and bolt it onto his car? He would not have found half the damage in that case. Here's the deal, I do not for one minute believe that this was an honest mistake. You knew you should have said something, admit you knew you should have said something and still chose not to. You can say whatever you like, at the end of the day what you have done looks too much like bad business for me to ignore it. My guess is that you would have been fine with it if the guy did not take it apart and complain and that just isnt good enough for me. I cannot tell if you have done it before, but I damn sure can do something to make sure you dont do it again.
Last time saying it--WE ARE DONE TALKING ABOUT THIS. That means STOP. ENOUGH. END OF STORY. your next stop is an all expense paid trip off the forum. I told you what you did wrong, told you how you handled it wrong from there, told you how youre not doing yourself any favors because you keep trying to argue with me, and now I AM DONE WITH THIS. That means you are done with it too.
Best of luck to you.
Please post the evidence where say that I didnt forget to mention.
Throughout this entire thread, I forgot to disclose the information. So yes, I misled the guy.
Who am I? Im just a member, just trying to convey I made a mistake with the sale and didnt ran from it but took care of it and ask for help. If that was wrong, then I really dont know what is right.
Last time saying it--WE ARE DONE TALKING ABOUT THIS. That means STOP. ENOUGH. END OF STORY. your next stop is an all expense paid trip off the forum. I told you what you did wrong, told you how you handled it wrong from there, told you how youre not doing yourself any favors because you keep trying to argue with me, and now I AM DONE WITH THIS. That means you are done with it too.
Best of luck to you.
09-08-12, 12:17 PM
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stick needles under someones fingernails and eventually they will ramble off what you want them to say even if it never was true. quoting it then all day long doesn't make it true either. so he made a mistake, he didn't run around trying to find ways of keeping the money he got for the part, did he? a real thief knows it won't last, they try to get everything done in as quick of a timeframe as possible and good luck ever getting a single refund.
so he screwed up, everyone does. the world would really suck if we all only got a single chance at anything.
so he screwed up, everyone does. the world would really suck if we all only got a single chance at anything.
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09-08-12, 12:35 PM
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in the future it doesn't hurt to ask more questions. those headlight covers are cracked in at least one place at least 80% of the time. if that is what you really wanted just fork over for a new one and it will last you much longer than another used one.
i see people buy them used all the time, and they always wind up as roadside ornaments.
i see people buy them used all the time, and they always wind up as roadside ornaments.
never meant he should, but the term dishonest implies he was trying to get away with something. contrary to popular belief not everyone is out to get one another.
lazy would probably be more suitable and true. just send the other half of the remaining amount and he can prove it.
lazy would probably be more suitable and true. just send the other half of the remaining amount and he can prove it.
Man come on. Why do you keep on sticking up for this guy? It is so bloody obvious that he has tried to get over on me and cause of his own stupidty told on himself in front of everybody. Yet you still defend him? RxRoller02 Has been doing a damn good job if you ask me. Now you are here defending the bad seller by bad bad mouthing roller? As a MODERATOR he should have good skills as an interogator. Although you really don't need to be that good at it to see through the bs that aimee has been trying to feed everyone. If he didn't have good interogation skills that would pretty much leave all the buyers defenseless againts bad sellers like aimee. Just cause roller has asked the seller questions regarding the transaction and caught and called the seller out on his bs makes him a bad guy? I think you need to take a step back and think about what you are saying and doing here. Either way it doesn't look good for you defending a bad seller when you are forum vendor???
09-08-12, 12:49 PM
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"so he screwed up, everyone does. the world would really suck if we all only got a single chance at anything."
He didn't just screw up. He has tryed to get over on me and clearly got caught doing so. After that he has tryed to deny, lie and twist things around to defend his bad buisiness tactics. There are rules here and he has obviously not been following them. If someone screwed you over would you defend them in the same manner? I don't think so... It's starting to look like you and the seller are friends. If that is the case then you really shouldn't be here at all. Still I can't believe you are here defending a bad seller when you are a vendor.
He didn't just screw up. He has tryed to get over on me and clearly got caught doing so. After that he has tryed to deny, lie and twist things around to defend his bad buisiness tactics. There are rules here and he has obviously not been following them. If someone screwed you over would you defend them in the same manner? I don't think so... It's starting to look like you and the seller are friends. If that is the case then you really shouldn't be here at all. Still I can't believe you are here defending a bad seller when you are a vendor.
09-08-12, 12:58 PM
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i'm actually a very good judge of character and i tend to defend those i feel deserve it. you both are victims here though, because of a miscommunication.
yes the seller needs to learn, but i don't believe he shouldn't be given a second chance given the circumstances i see here. you are one to judge? you admitted that you considered keeping the parts AND the money... you should be happy no one has really threatened you, yet.
yes the seller needs to learn, but i don't believe he shouldn't be given a second chance given the circumstances i see here. you are one to judge? you admitted that you considered keeping the parts AND the money... you should be happy no one has really threatened you, yet.
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