Bad business with admoore
12-31-12, 03:56 PM
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Bad business with admoore
Bad business with admoore
After sending payment of $335 for the targa he posted in the for sale thread he acknowledge receiving payment and another member (targa RX) offer him $500 for it and the seller is not a man of his word and he took his payment and then sent me a refund. What it bothers me his asking price was $300 and that’s what I sent him plus $35 for shipping.
ADMOORE sent me this PM
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Hey. I'm really sorry to tell you this but I have canceled our sale of the targa band. A few hours after I accepted your payment, another buyer offered me $500 plus shipping to take it out of your hands and he just now sent the payment. I really need the money for school books otherwise i would reconsider. I dont like doing this to people, but I think if you were in my situation, you might do the same. I issued you a refund on paypal. Please don't mark me as a bad seller as this is only my first sale on here.
Sorry again for the inconvenience.
4 sale thread below
https://www.rx7club.com/1st-generati...-rims-1021735/
After sending payment of $335 for the targa he posted in the for sale thread he acknowledge receiving payment and another member (targa RX) offer him $500 for it and the seller is not a man of his word and he took his payment and then sent me a refund. What it bothers me his asking price was $300 and that’s what I sent him plus $35 for shipping.
ADMOORE sent me this PM
Targa
Hey. I'm really sorry to tell you this but I have canceled our sale of the targa band. A few hours after I accepted your payment, another buyer offered me $500 plus shipping to take it out of your hands and he just now sent the payment. I really need the money for school books otherwise i would reconsider. I dont like doing this to people, but I think if you were in my situation, you might do the same. I issued you a refund on paypal. Please don't mark me as a bad seller as this is only my first sale on here.
Sorry again for the inconvenience.
4 sale thread below
https://www.rx7club.com/1st-generati...-rims-1021735/
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01-01-13, 12:45 PM
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This may be considered a grey area by some, and his actions may could have been considered merely bad business ethics if he hadn't of already received payment. The fact that he received payment and then refunded it changes everything though.
That being said, I feel something is being ignored here, the buyer. The second buyer was in the wrong for their part in promoting such action. They obviously knew what they were doing since they messaged the seller and boriquaguerrero trying to buy it. From what I have seen, it appears to me as though the second buyer may be another member who created an additional account just for this purchase. If that's the case, then in my opinion that's substantially worse than the seller's actions. Is there any way to determine if this is the case?
01-01-13, 02:15 PM
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Being a broke college student I can sympathize with his situation, but that doesn't make it justified.
This hits the nail on the head.
This may be considered a grey area by some, and his actions may could have been considered merely bad business ethics if he hadn't of already received payment. The fact that he received payment and then refunded it changes everything though.
That being said, I feel something is being ignored here, the buyer. The second buyer was in the wrong for their part in promoting such action. They obviously knew what they were doing since they messaged the seller and boriquaguerrero trying to buy it. From what I have seen, it appears to me as though the second buyer may be another member who created an additional account just for this purchase. If that's the case, then in my opinion that's substantially worse than the seller's actions. Is there any way to determine if this is the case?
This hits the nail on the head.
This may be considered a grey area by some, and his actions may could have been considered merely bad business ethics if he hadn't of already received payment. The fact that he received payment and then refunded it changes everything though.
That being said, I feel something is being ignored here, the buyer. The second buyer was in the wrong for their part in promoting such action. They obviously knew what they were doing since they messaged the seller and boriquaguerrero trying to buy it. From what I have seen, it appears to me as though the second buyer may be another member who created an additional account just for this purchase. If that's the case, then in my opinion that's substantially worse than the seller's actions. Is there any way to determine if this is the case?
12-31-12 Targa Band
12:23 AMTargaRX
1st
Targa Band
Want to sale that targa band? $500 plus shipping.
2nd
12-31-12Targa Band
01:32 AMTargaRX
Targa Band
Sorry changed my mind, wrong part for my car.
its is obvious he sent second message after the seller agrees to sell my targa band to him and sent me that excuse that it was wrong part for his car and he owns a gslse the targa aint the wrong part for his car. check his profile below
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1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE
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89 RX-7 GXL
97 Legacy 2.5GT
01-01-13, 02:45 PM
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Classic of the world we are living in.
This little POS has NO ETHICS, HONOR, RESPECT, CHARACTER or PRINCIPLES.
Greed is the word of the day with this PUNK.
This kid has a bright future ahead in any shaddy business.
What PO's me more is, he screwed a Armed Forces man.
He has served, so that this little POS can pull things like this???
Ban his A$$.
This little POS has NO ETHICS, HONOR, RESPECT, CHARACTER or PRINCIPLES.
Greed is the word of the day with this PUNK.
This kid has a bright future ahead in any shaddy business.
What PO's me more is, he screwed a Armed Forces man.
He has served, so that this little POS can pull things like this???
Ban his A$$.
01-01-13, 05:00 PM
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seller has been informed that he can no longer sell parts here. He has also been instructed to honor the original deal. the second buyer has been informed that hes got one foot out the door, that we do not pull shady crap like that here. He has also been informed that the targa top is not his to buy, nor is it admoore's to sell since he accepted his asking price from this buyer originally.
Also, another member is insisting on buying parts from admoore from one of his other threads. Anyone who intends on buying from a member that is banned from selling will face a ban themselves. I cannot imagine people trying to justify an action like this, and even calling admoore a stand-up guy because he refunded the first buyers money. Not gonna tolerate this nonsense, folks....
Also, another member is insisting on buying parts from admoore from one of his other threads. Anyone who intends on buying from a member that is banned from selling will face a ban themselves. I cannot imagine people trying to justify an action like this, and even calling admoore a stand-up guy because he refunded the first buyers money. Not gonna tolerate this nonsense, folks....
01-02-13, 01:57 AM
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So you are gonna ban me for buying some hard to find wheels from someone who gave a refund because he got more money from someone else.i have that happen to me plenty of times,i move on.so now i guess i can let all my friends know what's going on here.maybe if you ban enough people there won't be an RX-7 club anymore.get a grip...did you know that there is more than 1 rotary related forum out there.enough said.do as you will. buy the way,i didn't say he was a stand up guy,in fact i said he was probably not,don't be turning my words around.
01-02-13, 02:50 AM
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Look, chief, lets you and me get one thing straight here and now.
YOU do not make the rules on this forum. YOU do not enforce the rules on this forum. YOU, however, DID agree to FOLLOW the rules on this forum when you joined here. I dont care that you dont like it. The rules have been here since before you were. So do yourself a favor and "get a grip" on that.
You are not here to tell me how to moderate this section, and thats the fact. Maybe if you were concerned for the community instead of out for yourself, like this place used to be before people like you showed up, we would not have this kind of mess today. If you have a problem with that, then I will happily show you the door and you can go about your business on "one of dem other rotary forums" all you like. In the meantime, allow me to educate you on some points you had better start considering.
This is part of what you agreed to follow when you created your account here:
Sounds simple enough, no? In other words, dont question me like you are owed an explanation--the rules are plain and simple, and they include you following the instruction of the moderation team of this forum. YOU agreed to this. It aint my problem that you dont seem to care too much about that.
Incidentally, your friend agreed to the rules as well--and those rules clearly state that THIS IS NOT AN AUCTION SITE. I dont care if you dont like that--we are not ebay.
What he did, genius, was screw someone else. That aint allowed here. I suspect that it doesnt fly too well on "those other RX7 forums" either. When you list an item for sale, and you accept payment from a buyer, that creates an AGREEMENT between the parties that is legally binding. We dont play games here. If you like games, perhaps you could find a different forum for that as well??
GOOD!! Then you should have no trouble moving on from those wheels, because if you buy them through this forum in any fashion, youre gonna be shown the door. And YES, I DO have the right to tell you that. He is NOT allowed to sell here, PERIOD. Dont get all pissy with me because we dont make exceptions to that just so you can get a set of hard to find wheels.....
wow, really? here's a hint--I dont care who you "run and tell that" to. You act like I make some kind of secret out of this!! Ask around, son....ask around this forum. The people that know how I work this section will tell you. It isnt like I'm hiding anything.....so get over yourself.
Look, pal, I dont need you to tell me who to ban and who not to. We have RULES HERE....and if they are not followed, theres a consequence to that. Simple enough, I would think. In the meantime, I dont tell you how to be lonely on a Saturday night--dont tell me how to moderate this here forum.
By all means, you are more than welcome to seek life elsewhere then....but allow me to inform you that just as have been a member on this forum for over 10 years, I have also been a member on the others too. And I have not found a single one that tolerates this kind of BS. Dont kid yourself.
First off, the word is BY, as in BY THE WAY. English works, trust me. Second, youre saying he isnt a stand up guy....but at the same time you are bitching because you think you should be able to send him $300 plus shipping?? Either the person IS trustworthy or they are NOT. And you look like a first class schmuck for trying to argue in favor of sending hundreds of dollars to a guy that you now say is not a stand up guy......think it over, big guy.
At the end of the day, here's the final say, as taken from our terms of service that, once again, you agreed to follow:
I dont need your permission to moderate here. I dont need your approval to make moderation decisions here. And if you continue to try to challenge me on this, it wont end well for your status as a member here. I do believe that I have made my point clearly enough.
YOU do not make the rules on this forum. YOU do not enforce the rules on this forum. YOU, however, DID agree to FOLLOW the rules on this forum when you joined here. I dont care that you dont like it. The rules have been here since before you were. So do yourself a favor and "get a grip" on that.
You are not here to tell me how to moderate this section, and thats the fact. Maybe if you were concerned for the community instead of out for yourself, like this place used to be before people like you showed up, we would not have this kind of mess today. If you have a problem with that, then I will happily show you the door and you can go about your business on "one of dem other rotary forums" all you like. In the meantime, allow me to educate you on some points you had better start considering.
This is part of what you agreed to follow when you created your account here:
1. Attacks on moderators will not be tolerated, and may result in an immediate permanent ban. Moderators sometimes have to make difficult judgment calls, but remember we *are* human (well at least most of us are!). Hopefully we'll make decisions that are considered "correct" by the majority of the community. Do not post complaints, criticisms or moderation questions on the forum. These posts will be deleted and no explanation will be given.
Incidentally, your friend agreed to the rules as well--and those rules clearly state that THIS IS NOT AN AUCTION SITE. I dont care if you dont like that--we are not ebay.
So you are gonna ban me for buying some hard to find wheels from someone who gave a refund because he got more money from someone else.
i have that happen to me plenty of times,i move on.
so now i guess i can let all my friends know what's going on here.
if you ban enough people there won't be an RX-7 club anymore.
did you know that there is more than 1 rotary related forum out there.
buy the way,i didn't say he was a stand up guy,in fact i said he was probably not,don't be turning my words around.
At the end of the day, here's the final say, as taken from our terms of service that, once again, you agreed to follow:
2. Keep in mind that this is not a democracy. We have the right to refuse service to anyone. If you make yourself too big of a pain in the butt to the moderating community or otherwise are a bad influence on the forum, your access may be revoked.
01-02-13, 03:12 AM
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And TargaRX, you can sure lurk on the thread, but you have nothing to say, I noticed. I'm not surprised, with the way you tried to shaft someone else out of what they rightfully paid for. This forum does not have any use for dishonest people like that. And then you pretend that it was the "wrong part" for your car??
You three each have a simple choice to make. Knock off the BS and move forward, or refuse to do what is right, and I will move each of you out the door. There is no room in this forum for more people who are dishonest to the point of shafting someone else like this. And 1badsp--really, man?? I tell you that the guy will be banned if he sells those parts here, and you STILL bitch and moan because you want to buy from him? He's going to be banned if he sells to you on the forum, and still youre willing to accept him getting chucked out the door as long as you get some wheels??? Damn, man.....you really got some growing up to do....
You three each have a simple choice to make. Knock off the BS and move forward, or refuse to do what is right, and I will move each of you out the door. There is no room in this forum for more people who are dishonest to the point of shafting someone else like this. And 1badsp--really, man?? I tell you that the guy will be banned if he sells those parts here, and you STILL bitch and moan because you want to buy from him? He's going to be banned if he sells to you on the forum, and still youre willing to accept him getting chucked out the door as long as you get some wheels??? Damn, man.....you really got some growing up to do....
01-02-13, 05:48 PM
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yes, I banned him so that he would not continue to sell parts on this forum while ignoring his responsibility to you. He's quite unlikely to make right with you, but at least theres no chance of him messing with anyone else in the same fashion. And since certain other people here are totally fine with the way that these two clowns chose to do business, I felt it wise to ensure that he doesnt profit from this forum any longer. I am going to contact him again tomorrow and see what he has to say for himself.
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^ To be honest with you,i never read the agreement,and have never had any problem until now.i don't treat people like this guy treated the buyer,or i would have been banned years ago.i'm not telling you how to do your job,i just don't think it's cool to ban me for taking a risk of my own,that's my decision not yours.and it's not like i'm going to whine about it here if something goes south anyway,i would go straight to the source.but i can say whatever and it won't change anything.i guarentee you won't stop him from selling his parts other forums or venues.oh and thank you for pointing out my spelling error oopps.
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And TargaRX, you can sure lurk on the thread, but you have nothing to say, I noticed. I'm not surprised, with the way you tried to shaft someone else out of what they rightfully paid for. This forum does not have any use for dishonest people like that. And then you pretend that it was the "wrong part" for your car??
You three each have a simple choice to make. Knock off the BS and move forward, or refuse to do what is right, and I will move each of you out the door. There is no room in this forum for more people who are dishonest to the point of shafting someone else like this. And 1badsp--really, man?? I tell you that the guy will be banned if he sells those parts here, and you STILL bitch and moan because you want to buy from him? He's going to be banned if he sells to you on the forum, and still youre willing to accept him getting chucked out the door as long as you get some wheels??? Damn, man.....you really got some growing up to do....
You three each have a simple choice to make. Knock off the BS and move forward, or refuse to do what is right, and I will move each of you out the door. There is no room in this forum for more people who are dishonest to the point of shafting someone else like this. And 1badsp--really, man?? I tell you that the guy will be banned if he sells those parts here, and you STILL bitch and moan because you want to buy from him? He's going to be banned if he sells to you on the forum, and still youre willing to accept him getting chucked out the door as long as you get some wheels??? Damn, man.....you really got some growing up to do....
01-03-13, 12:38 AM
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i don't treat people like this guy treated the buyer,or i would have been banned years ago.i'm not telling you how to do your job,i just don't think it's cool to ban me for taking a risk of my own,that's my decision not yours.
and it's not like i'm going to whine about it here if something goes south anyway,i would go straight to the source.
but i can say whatever and it won't change anything.i guarentee you won't stop him from selling his parts other forums or venues.
he was out already wasn't he ? if my deal with the wheels was then i misunderstood the situation and i apologize.
Sad thing too--he claims he did what he did because he needed money....and because of him being greedy, he now lost the ability to make more money by selling his parts on the largest RX7 forum there is. Ironic.....but hey, it is what it is.
01-03-13, 07:06 AM
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I would like to chimevin and say:
Good job Roller, and thank you for the time and effort you "VOLUNTEER" to contribute to this forum.
I felt scammed and screwed a couple times in the past.
On both instances Roller contributed to a proper resolution by helping to resolve the issue, and he too critiqued my attitude as well.
For some others I might add, please proof read before hitting the "Submit Reply" button.
Good job Roller, and thank you for the time and effort you "VOLUNTEER" to contribute to this forum.
I felt scammed and screwed a couple times in the past.
On both instances Roller contributed to a proper resolution by helping to resolve the issue, and he too critiqued my attitude as well.
For some others I might add, please proof read before hitting the "Submit Reply" button.
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