kutukutu1

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Hello, guys, beware if your buying the 79 wide-body from 73rx313b.
This is the thread

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...light=73rx313b [/URL]

I was interested in the car and i thought it was a great deal, but the seller lied to me about the condition of the car as he said that the only rust place was the floors and i told him that's fine as long as it did not have rust in the rear drain channels.
I drove 14 hours to go and pick up the car and when i get there the car is falling apart, the rear channels are rusted, the floor is almost non existant, the top of the roof were the windshield meets the roof is rusted like crazy, the interior or whats left of it looks like a pack of wolves had a fight inside and so on. I will post the emails to prove it and some pictures i took as well. The problem is that now when i ask him for the 100 dollar deposit i sent him through paypal, though his cousins paypal because he dosent even have one himself, but whatever. He told me o no i am sorry but the deposit is non refundable, when i tell him that he never said it was non refundable he was like o well its non refundable and so on.The other funny part is that when i left from were the car was before i left i told him, well speak to your cousin so you can refund me the depsit and he just sgave me his hand and agreed, why didnt he tell me it was non refundable then and there? Because he knew that i wasent gonna go 14 hours again to were he is at. You can see the conversation in the emails. I took it up with paypal and they just answered back that they cannot insure the quality of the product and just closed the dispute. i am letting everyone know to be careful and MODERATORS i hope you take some action, i dont know if he has done this to anyone else.

i will post the pictures when i can transfer them

These are the emails after i contacted him for the refund after i was back home read from bottom to top.

The thread clearly says the floor is rusted, yeah i accept that, but i asked you if it was rusted anywhere else and you said no, so in my book that is a lie because it was rusted in many other places. I am not saying i was looking for a mint widebody, but for what you portrayed the car to be was not true, you didn't tell me the true condition of the car. I am not saying the price was unfair or what not and i am not saying that i wanted a mint wide-body either, all i am saying is that you lied about the condition of the car because i have the emails you sent me telling me that it was just the floors and i told you i don't mind the floors as long as the rear drain channels are not rusted, which they were and you told me they were not rusted. So like i said in my book that is lying about the condition of the car. About the Cuban thing, sorry i exaggerated and thats taking it out of proportions, sorry for that, but i am letting you know that i am not gonna get screwed over. i am gonna get my money back. Let me know if you want to take this up with paypal and stop the arguing through email.

I never lied about the car. Read the freaking thread dumbass!!! Really, for the price, what are you wanting a mint widebody? Get real, grow up dude!! As for you being Cuban big freaking deal dude, is that scary to me? I don't think so. I am American, this is my home country big deal right
Nick
Lead Technician/ Carolina's
High Point NC


From: Eduardo Garcia <eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com>
To: Nick (technician)
Sent: Wed Jun 16 12:47:23 2010
Subject: Re: hey

the deposit was to show that i was serious about buying the car, but if you wanna play dirty by telling me that its non refundable now, well i need my deposit because you lied to me about the condition of the car, i asked for pictures to prove that what you were telling me was true and never got them, and i am sorry but it didn't seem so far that you could not take some pictures in the time span i gave you. i made a 14hour trip for a lie because i clearly asked you if the rear drain rails were rotted and you said no, which they were, also i asked you if it was rusted anywhere else and you said no, which that was a lie too because it had rust everywhere so by you lying to me so i could get the car of your hands entitles me to my refund of the deposit and in no way did you ever inform that the deposit was non refundable and i have all the emails stating you say sent me a deposit and no were do you say its non refundable. So i f you want to escalate this with paypal, trust me ill get my money back because i am in all right to get my refund for the junk of car you were trying to sell me because you clearly lied to me about the condition of the car. Just to let you know, i may be young and only 19, but i am cuban and no one screws me over. Have a nice day, hope you come to your senses and refund me my money.
Eduardo Garcia


From: " Nick (technician)" <Nick._____@saralee.com>
To: "eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com" <eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, June 16, 2010 9:57:17 AM
Subject: Re: hey


You know that normally when you pay a deposit on a purchase, it is considered non-refundable. What I see is that we made a deal on the car, you paid a deposit to prove you were serious about the deal but then you changed your mind. Once the deposit was received I told people that the car was sold. I thought we had a deal but you backed out. I just don't know.
Nick
Lead Technician/ Carolina's
High Point NC


From: Eduardo Garcia <eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com>
To: Nick (technician)
Sent: Tue Jun 15 12:34:25 2010
Subject: hey

hello, i am just contacting you, because i would like to know when you will be refunding the deposit. thanks and sorry it didn't work out, have a great day
eduardo




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This are the emails before i went to see the car were he tells me that the car is only rusted in the floors.


See ya Saturday
Nick
Lead Technician/ Carolina's
High Point NC


From: Eduardo Garcia <eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com>
To: Nick (technician)
Sent: Sun Jun 06 10:29:43 2010
Subject: Re: wide body rx7

k perfect ill be heading there on friday at around 7pm to get there at around 8 or 8:30am on saturday, could you send me your address or the address of the car so i can rent the uhaul closest to there. Could you send the others pics as well, thanks appreciate it.

From: " Nick (technician)"
To: "eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com" <eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 10:26:13 PM
Subject: Re: wide body rx7

That's correct, that's my cousin... I don't have a paypal account so he let's me use his... Its cool
Nick
Lead Technician/ Carolina's
High Point NC


From: Eduardo Garcia <eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com>
To: Nick (technician)
Sent: Sat Jun 05 22:10:05 2010
Subject: Re: wide body rx7

hey i sent you the deposit but the name that it says as sent too is mark bailey is that correct? i wanna make sure.

From: " Nick (technician)"
To: "eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com" <eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, June 4, 2010 4:21:37 PM
Subject: Re: wide body rx7

Paypal is
Levbud1@aol.com
The engine looks completely stock but I'm pretty sure its a newer model engine than the body...(Spark Plug holes)... I was told the car was built for a movie but I cannot know for sure... You can call me anytime and I will share everything that I know about it...

Thanks


From: Eduardo Garcia <eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com>
To: Nick (technician)
Sent: Fri Jun 04 16:08:05 2010
Subject: Re: wide body rx7

yeah sure ill send you a deposit give me your paypal. can you send me some more pics. does the engine have anythingdone to it or something can you give me a bit more info on the car as well

From: "
To: "eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com" <eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, June 4, 2010 12:19:42 PM
Subject: Re: wide body rx7

Cool, no problem... But I have been burnt before do you mind maybe paypal me like a deposit just so I know your serious... I do have a couple other people interested... Let me know and I will sens you my paypal address
Nick
Lead Technician/ Carolina's
High Point NC


From: Eduardo Garcia <eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com>
To: Nick (technician)
Sent: Fri Jun 04 08:39:06 2010
Subject: Re: wide body rx7

yep, just give me like a week to go over there. it will most probably be next weekend when i go pick it up.

From: ", Nick (technician)"
To: "eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com" <eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, June 4, 2010 12:25:18 AM
Subject: Re: wide body rx7

Cash will work... Should I consider it sold?
Nick
Lead Technician/ Carolina's
High Point NC


From: Eduardo Garcia <eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com>
To: Nick (technician)
Sent: Thu Jun 03 23:57:50 2010
Subject: Re: wide body rx7

alright awesome, your gonna have to give me a couple of days to set up the trip and rent the trailer and such. I am sure you would prefer that i just take the cash when i go pick it up right?

From: "
To: "eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com" <eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 9:28:02 PM
Subject: Re: wide body rx7

yeah, I will let you have it for $700... FYI the $400 was to Alabama...
Nick
Lead Technician/ Carolina's
High Point NC


From: Eduardo Garcia <eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com>
To: , Nick (technician)
Sent: Thu Jun 03 21:18:02 2010
Subject: Re: wide body rx7

Why so much though, i gave you that offer considering that you told another memeber $400 to take it to houston and thats like 1200 miles away i considered that since miami was closer it would be cheaper. What if i go pick it up? would you still do $700 and i can save you the trouble of shipping and finally get it of your hands since i know you have been trying to sell it for a while. Let me know if thats k with you. i considered shipping and not pick up because i now that to go pick it up is gonna run me like $250 b/w gas and stuff, but thats cheaper thank shipping so let me know. And i would love those pics whenever you get a chance. i am still very interested.Thank you

From: "
To: "eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com" <eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 3:16:40 PM
Subject: Re: wide body rx7

Hey, I just talked to my transport guy and he wants $600 bucks to bring it to you... I couldn't let it go for that... You might want to see what you could find a cheaper transport. If you want the car I will sell it to you for $700 that's my bottom dollar and I haven't lowered it that much for anyone else. If you want to use my transport guy it would be $1300 the best I could do. You may be able to shop around and find a cheaper transporter that this guy... Let me know
Nick
Lead Technician/ Carolina's
High Point NC


From: Eduardo Garcia <eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com>
To: Nick (technician)
Sent: Wed Jun 02 19:27:35 2010
Subject: Re: wide body rx7

thank you i appreciate it, let me know

From: "
To: "eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com" <eduardogarcia3049@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 4:13:07 PM
Subject: wide body rx7

hey bud, i will try and get those pixs for you soon.. the only rust is in the floors... i will check the price for transport and let you know if i can accept the offer... thanks


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KansasCityREPU

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For someone to drive 14 hours one way to pickup a car, that sounds pretty serious to me. kutukutu1 deserves his deposit back. After looking at some of the pictures of the rust on this car, I wouldn't touch it either for $700.

rx7roller02

His FS thread is closed until further notice....I will keep an eye on this one.

73rx313b

iTrader: (40)

rx7roller02, what you are seeing is only a fraction of the many conversations that transpired about this car. I Never mis represented the car in any way, and quite frankly anyone who says otherwise is a liar!!!we we had multiple conversations over the phone about the rust on this car. he knew full well the condition of the car. i have restored several car in my lifetime and have been into rotories longer than most of these guys have been out of diapers. I still say that the only MAJOR rust on this car is the floors!!!! MAJOR is the word here chief!!!! Do you really think that the floors are majorly rusted but the rest of the car has nothing???? really??? and we are car guys?? give me a break! He said that he didnt care about rust except for the rear channels... hello!!!! the channels have at best surface rust!!!! IT IS NOT RUSTED THRU... thus no MAJOR(that word again) rust! most car guys with half a brain could understand that. He knew about the floors but when he arrived(with his mommy) all he could talk about is the floors. He had pictures of the floors before he made the trip!!Then when he post thes "bad guy" thread he reverts to the channels??? Also he lied about asking for his money while he was here!! it wasnt until several days past that he sends the email asking when he was getting a refund. Then he wants to threaten me because he's Cuban???? What a JOKE of a KID!!!! I will send his money back so he will stop crying... maybe he can use it to build his supercar!!! and i would reccomend to everyone on the rx7club and elsewhere to steer clear of this lying punk.
on a side note, Roller, can you please remove my personal information, from his post please? He has posted my phone numbers and email, and home address. This is against the forum rules i believe.

bwaits

iTrader: (12)

I have known Nick for a long time.

I believe the issue has more to do with what the buyer expected more than how the car was represented. Anyone who has been around these cars a while can look at the pictures and see exactly the condition of the car. Certainly so if you consider the asking price.

-billy

73rx313b

iTrader: (40)

Thanks Billy, i needed that

rx7roller02

So, while I can understand the fact that you know Nick, I am looking with my own eyes at emails. Here is a question asked the buyer to Nick, as posted in the FS thread:

https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...3&postcount=31

Did you see him ask if there was MAJOR rust? Or did he just ask for rust?? Here's the response that Nick sent him in an email:

Again, did he say "the only MAJOR rust....."?? I think not. Now, Nick, if that email is not what you sent him, then let me know and I will handle it. But as it stands right now, I have an email showing you telling him that the ONLY rust is in the floors.

As for expectations, let's get real for a minute here. It is 100% true that a significant part of someone's expectation is built upon the info they are given. Perhaps the problem with expectations was in you and not in the buyer? Think about it--he stated "I can deal with rust, but not in the real drain channels." Just because YOU say the rust is not major, that doesnt change his thinking, and he is entitled to that just as you are entitled to your own thought process.

As for the condition of the car being evident in the thread, that is completely false and I am not buying that line for a second. The one and only time that the rear channels were even shown is AFTER someone drove 14 hours to buy a car that he was told had no rust in the channels. There was NO way he could have known anything about the condition of the rear channels from the pics that were posted at that time. It is also fact that those pictures dont show very much detail and when it comes to something like rust, you should be posting closer, larger pics to cover your own butt and inform your buyer. Sorry, but there was nothing in that thread to indicate the complete condition of that car.

NICK--if he is lying about that email, then show me and I will deal with it. But if that IS what you sent him, then you most certainly DID misrepresent the car, even if you told him something later. When you say "the only rust is in the floors", that is EXACTLY what I expect to be the truth. If it isnt, then you have misrepresented the truth. This isnt anything personal--its just a simple fact. You may consider choosing your wording more carefully in the future, because we dont ever know the limit of someone else's understanding, and they wont think the same way that you do about it all the time.

OK, why is none of that apparent in the emails I have seen? He asked you a question and made you an offer on 6/2. You responded with "the only rust is in the floors" on that same day. Perhaps he should have waited to see more photos, but you need to understand how this reads. He said "any other rust?"...you said "no".....he said "ok, I am sending a deposit, please send the other pics".

And AGAIN, that is YOU. That is NOT HIM. you are expecting too much if you think that everyone you deal with in here is supposed to have your level of understanding about rust or any other part of a 7!

Um, no, that is YOUR word. In the comms between you two that I have seen, he doesnt use that word ONE TIME. Like I said, maybe you set YOUR expectations in the wrong place based on your personal experience with cars.

You seem to think that that isnt possible...well, allow me to tell you, it is. My first car was an old Buick Regal 2-door. The doors had so much rust that when the windows were rolled down, you could see the bottom of them from outside the car, through the holes in the door skin. But there was no rust anywhere else....not in the floors, not in the rockers, not on the quarters, nothing. And yes, the doors were the ones that came on the car originally. I lived in New England back then, where they throw salt on the roads for sport in the winter. Like I said, you cannot rely on YOUR EXPERIENCE like it is going to be EVERYONE ELSE'S EXPERIENCE. You need to make your expectations more realistic.

And ONCE AGAIN, I did not see him use that word ANYWHERE in his question. So do yourself a favor, and drop that already. its getting you nowhere. That was YOUR WORD, and you didnt even use it when you emailed him that "there was no other rust". So give it a rest already!

Alright, hold it right there. You dont have ANY BUSINESS trying to make this personal by talking about how he came "with his mommy". Grow the hell up already. he's 19....and cuban families dont work the same as many others do. There's your expectation creeping in again, fouling up your perception...

Know this--I will NOT tolerate any more of this nonsense. You dont insult someone or talk down about them like that again in here. If you cannot keep your posts related to the issue at hand, then dont post. Is that clear enough?

I dont have any info either way on this. The one thing I can say is that if I spent $100 on a deposit, then drove 14 HOURS to go see the car, and I didnt end up buying it, there's gonna be talk of that money coming back before I so much as open my car door. But thats me. He says he did. you say he didnt. At the end of the day, we cannot say either way. But also, does it even matter? The kid just drove 14 hours to come see a car that you emailed him saying "the only rust is in the floor". What on God's green earth would ever make you think that you dont have to give him his money back? ARe you aware that if someone goes to a car dealership, puts a deposit on a car to hold it, and then FOR ANY REASON AT ALL changes their mind that the dealer should(and any reputable one will) refund it? HOW CAN YOU EXPECT SOMEONE TO PAY FOR PART OF SOMETHING THAT THEY DID NOT RECEIVE? Now we're back to unrealistic expectations here, and they are yours, not his.

Which he already apologized for....so why are you still bringing it up like it means something? He's 19, which means he has not fully matured yet. And he feels like he's getting burned. What would you EXPECT a typical 19 year old to do? THINK.....there we are again, back to unrealistic expectations...You are 38 years old.....and youre gonna tell me that you actually dont understand how a typical 19 year old, when they get upset, would commonly engage mouth before brain?

the real thing to say there is "you will send him his money back because its the only right thing to do." I dont know why you had to draw such a hard line on this. He drove 14 hours to meet YOU. He didnt make YOU incur such an expense, so why have you acted this whole time like youve lost something? Anyone who was interested in your car would be able to see that you posted that the deal fell through....and they would still have the chance to buy it. You havent lost a thing. Do me a favor and stop acting like you have.

And now I need to apologize to you, I skimmed through before and completely missed that. I removed all of the info you requested, and also your last name as well.

Once he reports that his refund has been received I will reopen your FS thread.

73rx313b

iTrader: (40)

I'd be willing to wager a substantial sum of money that had you removed the paint from that Regal, you would have found surface rust under the paint that just had not become visible through the paint yet in numerous places.
I suppose we can agree to disagree about the description. I think even using the description "the only rust is in the floors"(and throwing out everything else I told him about it) is an accurate description taken in the context of describing a $500, 31 year old RX-7 widebody project car. I think it's a perfectly reasonable assumption that anyone buying this car would have to do substantial restoration work on it. The few spots of minor surface rust on the car are inconsequential in light of the floor rust. It is akin to my 82 year old grandfather's doctor saying he was in perfect health except for his coronary artery disease. If you look closer at his health, you will find that his joints hurt on cold damp mornings, he has ED and his skin is thin so he bruises easily. If he were 25, those would be bigger issues, but they don't even rate a mention at 82.
Please delete/close or whatever to the for sale thread. There is no way that I can document every defect that this car has or may have to your satisfaction. I'll find a place to store it until I have the time to restore it myself.

kutukutu1

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Hey, man at least at your age it would be appreciated if you would answer my email and not just leave it at that. You know i am not trying to destroy your chances of selling the car, that's not my goal because if it was then i would had posted the pictures i have of the car, which shows the reality of it . All i want is my deposit back because seriously man, like the first poster said after initial post, why would i drive 14 hours to meet you and not take the car. Does not make sense unless the car was in such a bad shape that it really was not worth it. Like the moderator said you did not loose anything apart from $5 bucks worth of gas to get to were the car was, i spent like $350 just to drive over there so have some consideration on what i did to try and take the car of your hands. I am not gonna argue with you about me telling you to return the deposit in person because its your word against mine, but you very well know i told you to speak to your cousin to return the deposit. I apologized about the cuban thing, iwas really pissed about it and i apologized.


I just checked my paypal and the refund is pending till june 29, will post when it clears, Thank you moderators for the help, it is greatly appreciated and thats why i like this forum. Thanks again.

rx7roller02

I could frankly care less what you would wager. I used that as an example. Truth be told, I dont care how much experience you have with cars--it isnt YOUR experience that you need to be thinking of when you advertise something/describe the condition of it. It is the fact that not everyone has your experience. Get that point into your head and you might be learning something.


And once again, youre not using your experience to describe the condition of this car for YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING, but for EVERYONE ELSE that reads the thread! I dont know why youre having such a hard time grasping that fact! Your responsibility as a seller is to accurately describe the car's condition for YOUR POTENTIAL BUYERS, not for YOUR understanding. Rust is rust to some people. If you dont clarify the point, its on YOU, jack. Other people understand the difference between surface rust and replacing entire body panels. Your job as a seller is NOT TO ASSUME that YOUR concept is good enough for everyone else. If you cannot get that point and use it, then perhaps you shouldnt be selling things here. Additionally, you were not advertising this car for $500.....you originally wanted $1300 for it! So do me a favor and stop trying to blow smoke here. If you want to talk about a $500 car then sell the car at that price from the get-go. Not only that, but you mentioned the rust in the floors and the interior, but didnt even post pics of those areas. I suspect that you did so on the belief that you wouldnt get what you wanted for the car.


OF COURSE it is. But again, STOP relying on YOUR understanding like it will be the same for everyone else as to exactly what that means! A good example, I bet there are parts of this car that have no rust on them at all. So one CANNOT assume as to what areas need what kind of work WITHOUT YOU DESCRIBING IT. You dealt with a 19-year old buyer that couldnt possibly have your level of experience and you TRASHED HIM on here because you didnt do YOUR job of being more accurate in your description. That is inexcuseable.

Does that mean that EVERY man at that age HAS to have those same conditions? Shoot, there are still some people in their 80's that go running every day! Again, you simply do not get it and you need to. MANY RX7s as old as yours have rear channels that get rusted through....does that mean that yours has that? YOU NEED TO STOP PRETENDING HERE.


Now youre just crying. This isnt about "to my satisfaction". You CLEARLY sent an email to someone saying "the only rust is in the floors", and you yourself admit that there was plenty of rust in other places. Just because YOU understood it to be far less of a concern in those other places, that doesnt mean that YOUR BUYER shares your level of experience. For crying out loud, you tried to sell this to a 19-year old kid! HOW IN THE WORLD could POSSIBLY have thought that he would know as much as you about cars?

There's the too-high expectation that took place here. Courtesy of you. So, I dont expect to see any more BS comments towards this guy from you.

73rx313b

iTrader: (40)

Roller,

You have twisted my words. You say that I said "there was plenty of rust in other places" Those are YOUR words, not mine.
What I said was " The few spots of minor surface rust on the car are inconsequential in light of the floor rust"
There is a big difference in the two statements and I cannot understand why you would choose to misquote me.
I don't see any way that I'm going to get a fair shake here and as far as I'm concerned I'm done with it.

73rx313b

iTrader: (40)

Kutukutu1,

Maybe you didn't read the part where I posted that I am going to keep the car. I'm NOT trying to sell it. I'll type it again if it'll help comprehension.
Before you came and looked at the car, you knew the floors were bad and that the interior needed work. It says in the original post that it doesn't even have any seats in it! Those were things that you had no issue with until you came up and those were the first things you complained about. You even stated such in the first post of this thread.
For some reason it seems as though you had convinced yourself on the way up here that you could drop the engine from your car into this car and it would be turn key. I never led you to believe that. As a matter of fact, in one of our many phone conversations, you said that you weren't too worried about it if the car was going to take too much work, that the worst case scenario was that you would remove the body kit and put it on your car.
So, the absolute worst case was that even if you decided the car was too much for you to fix that you would be getting:
1. a pretty nice 1st gen body kit
2. a 12a engine that is most likely in my opinion a good engine
3. an LSD disc brake rear end
4. a pair of camber plates
5. a pair of aftermarket sway bars of unknown brand
6. a set of Tokico shocks and struts
7. many other assorted parts that I'm not going to attempt to list here.

Once you got up here you saw reality vs the dream that you had. You tell me when you see the car that you were thinking that you could put the engine out of you car in it and go. I think it's obvious that is not the case by looking at my original for sale thread and by looking at the car.
You and Roller both continue to state as fact that I incurred no loss and that I didn't miss out on a sale by waiting for you to change your mind. The problem is that you both reach that conclusion by only using what you interpret as being the facts. Neither one of you are in the position to see the whole picture. The fact is that the world is a lot larger than the rx7club.com!
I had the car for sale on Craiglist and I would have sold the car to someone that was making a trip through here anyway for other reasons. That ship has sailed. The fact is I'll keep the car and restore it at some point. The only reason that I was trying to sell it was that I was probably going to have to find another place to keep it and I figured someone else could put this thing back on the road faster that me.

So, the first poster says he wouldn't buy the car at that price. As far as I'm concerned what he values the car at has no place in this discussion. I would not buy a Toyota Prius for $500 but that doesn't affect the many thousands of them that they sell for 25k-30k each year.

This car in capable, knowledgeable hands is worth a lot more than what I was asking for it in my opinion. I think there are plenty of people out there that would agree with that and plenty out there that would disagree.

rx7roller02

wow....really? This is they way you want to go with this?

First off, YOU are the one twisting MY words. I NEVER claimed that you said that word for word. What I DID say was that you ADMITTED that this was the case. AND YOU DID. You made it clear that you did not misrepresent this car....and it has quite a bit of rust, in varying degrees of severity, and in several places. DO YOU NOW DENY THIS?

You ALSO made this statement to me:

You really need to knock off the BS. You have said without reservation that you made him clearly aware of the exact condition of the car, did you not? Well, the car has rust. Its time for you to knock off the nonsense.

This isnt about you "not getting a fair shake". Its about you imposing your personal experience and understanding upon others like they are to be insulted if they dont see things the same way you do. Is it SERIOUSLY THAT HARD for you to think about the fact that a 19 year old guy isnt going to know what you know about rust repair? Well, thats what you did here--you ignored that point, among others.

In the future, if youre going to sell things here, you do not need to be saying "the only rust is in the floors" when you know that there is more than that. He didnt ask for a specific degree of rust, he only asked for you to be honest. And you werent. Let's try using a little common sense here.

kutukutu1

iTrader: (5)

k First of all, you totally misunderstood me if you think i said that i was just gonna drop my engine into it and that's it, your telling the moderator to not put words in your mouth, but your doing it to me, that's a bit hypocritical but thats fine thats not my problem, just letting you know.

Another thing, yes i did say it had no interior because you said its missing the seats, but the car was not only missing the seats but it was a miracle that it had a dash because not even a steering wheel was on for someone to steer it up to a trailer, so don't come to me now twisting my words to your convenience.

Also, i never said i that worse case scenario i would just take the body kit, because my plan was to sell my current car and fix yours, so it does not make sense that i would had said that, but its your word against mine. Also thats your worse case scenario of having does parts and what not, but i never said that, i clearly stated to you i dont want rust in the drain channels and you said it was only the floors and also in your fs thread it sais that the floor work had been started, when you really look at what had been started it was nothing because it did not even have the seat mount to be able to mount a seat, thats of topic but i am just trying to make a point on many things you just decided to keep to yourself or cover them up with words.

You stating that the world does not revolve around the rx7 forum, yet its funny that you say you had so many buyers and that you lost them because i did not make up my mind cannot be so true when you have been trying to sell the car since march and have not been able to and you clearly told me that many deals had fallen through for the car, if i could send a deposit to know i was serious. I have sold cars before and it cannot possibly take that long to sell a car that is in the condition you state it to be in the fs thread, except the interested party when they see the reality of the car the back down, but since they gave no deposit, they have nothing to worry about. That story of i had many buyers i have heard it before, not in your case but in many different ones.

Your analogy of the prius has nothing to do with this because the first poster said that i drove 14 hours for the car, not about a prius, or your analogy of the old man, all of that are just excuses to back up an argument that should had been over the minute i sent you the first email about the deposit because you very well know i was in all my right to get my deposit back.

Last of all, you gave me my deposit back so i could stop the crying as you said in a previous post? please grow up, because it seems that me being 19 am more mature than you being your age. let this go and this will end an a k note, because your arguing with the moderator will get you nowhere so take my advice if you like, just leave it at that, the deposit is pending by paypal and everything is good, its gonna be worse if you keep on arguing with the moderator.

Moderator thanks again for your help

Dltreezan

iTrader: (3)

*grabs chips*

SophiaCDN

In many places, returning a deposit is a legal requirement, not just a courtesy. Not sure about where you're located, but pointing that out so that you know why it can be seen as an expectation.

Just my general objective opinion: If I ask about rust, I ask about any rust, including rust bubbles in the paint. So there is some good to come out of this: It can be a lesson learned for all here when they are describing a car for sale to be very very clear about it's condition, ESPECIALLY when someone has to travel a significant distance to see it. Send lots of close ups of every issue, so that they have a clear understanding. Saves your time, and saves his/hers.

This is definitely a lose-lose situation for both unfortunately: the buyer traveling so far for nothing, the seller having tarnished his reputation as a seller on here.

84 GSL

iTrader: (3)

I saw this thread when I was still very interested in the car and I admit, it bothered me.

Honestly Im not willing to say where I stand on the deposit until I see the whole conversation and think the misrepresentation of the rust was a bad deal for kutukutu and he has reason to be upset, but from what amount I have talked to Nick he seems like a very reasonable person and a true rotorhead.

I hate to divisions in the rotary community like this...

Just my thoughts...
Thanks, Wyatt

rotarydude

iTrader: (2)

I also was waiting for this to shake out. Nick can show you the traffic where I was interested in the car even making shipping arrangements for it to the point of ready to send the money then this came out and i waited to see what would happen. I believe Nick as he has on more than one occasion been true to his word. But all the sudden this comes up and I hesitate to spend what would end up being 1500$ including the shipping. Now that it has settled out that is no longer a possibility for me because we are going after 2 other cars. So Nick isn't lying when he said he had other buyers waiting in the wings.

kutukutu1

iTrader: (5)

Moderator, Letting you know that the refund came in. I appreciate your help. To everyone reading this thread, i did not intend for this to stain his reputation or ruin his chances of selling the car, i just wanted my deposit back and now i got it back. I thank the moderator for the help and i hope he can sell the car to someone that can put it on the road. Thank you