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I have known elliot for 3 years he was the first person that i had ever do anything to my car from engines to mods to suspension.... everything........... I am taking my time to let everyone know that if you bring your rx7 to elliot it may not only be blown but nothing is ever his fault no matter how much evidence you have of him. I will be also resolving this through legal action if you actually look at his website my car is listed under the twin to4e kit that hes selling on www.turblown.net. Some people may remember this build from me posting on the single turbo thread earlier this year. My turbo kit never worked properly and elliot never made the effort to completely finish it and make it work and Ofcourse he will never refund the money for this nor will he make it right. Elliot had done work to these turbos and went road tuning on my street ported motor, he pushed my car to 25 lbs of boost when he knew that my rx7 had stock fuel lines and that twin walboros are not efficient reliable. At this point he calls me and says that the apex seals have blown and now i am looking at another motor. He tells me he has a halfbridge motor ready to go that he setup with unbreakable als seals and all ceramic coated internal housings, rotors, rotor bearings, and side plates. I had bought the engine and had him install it which took 6 months to complete but never even ran correctly. I immediately took my car out of the shop only to find out that he was trying to tune my car with one of my fuel injectors compeletely stuck open. All my fuel lines were leaking, oil return line for the turbos were completely pinched and had ruined the turbos. I had to fix all the oil lines fuel lines just about everything that i had paid him for because everything was incorrectly installed. I myself finally got the car to run correctly and found the stuck injector and i was able to break in the engine properly (at this point i was the happiest person in the world.) break in was done and everything is fixed and now its time for some tuning and to push for horsepower because that is what the engine is built for. tuning is going great the car had great horsepower and runs good all of a sudden just cruising normal on the street the car didnt want to idle out of no where i had to accelerate a lot for it not to die. I get home and the engine doesnt want to turn over and run unless its really cold and not hot at all. I had a feeling there was going to be surprises inside the engine so i took time off of my own work just to take the engine out and find out whats going on. I take it apart and sure enough non of the housings, bearings, side plates, rotors were not coated at all. Apex seals are atkins rotary seals, the bearings are in some of the worst conditions i have ever seen or many shops have ever seen aswell. His brideporting looks like he got an ice pick and went to work just look at the pictures its ridiculous. I never thought elliot would do this to his long time customer i had so much trust in him and i got screwed badly. I confronted elliot about this and ofcourse its not his fault he didnt do it and supposably his excuse for the bridgeporting done that way is because he never charged me for it. im out thousands of dollars for absolutely nothing.......... he still has my 800 dollar intercooler that traded me for a peice of shit jdm ebay intercooler so he can try and make the turbo kit work. he tried to blame it on me taking apart the engine and because i did not record every detail and follow procedure he can not do anything about it. I hate that it has to come to this but my car was in his shop since january of this year and i barely got to drive my car a week ago. elliot left my car outside and one of my gauges for egt is trashed because the hot arizona heat beat on it. My paint looks like chalk now and before it went in it looked in decent shape and not to mention my carbon fiber vis hood has turned green and looks so bad its not even funny.
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ELLIOT PLEASE I WANT YOU TO SAY SOMETHING PLEASE, I KNOW WHAT UR GONNA SAY.......... ITS NOT YOUR FAULT...... GIVE ME A DAY AND IM GOING TO START POSTING HOW HE CUT MY RX7 FRONT END COMPLETELY TO FIT ONLY INTERCOOLER PIPING.......... PEOPLE BEWARE.

This is not the place for this post... Post in the correct section please.

damn... that sucks man. I hate seeing threads like this :-(

sorry buddy but this should be posted every section of the forum so this elliot guy never touches another rotary again....sorry to hear this happened to you buddy...:(

That's if this is "true". The reason that we have the "good bad" section is so that these things can be worked out and discussed by BOTH parties, IN THAT SECTION.

As a business owner, I am always a little skeptical of things lke this because I know how things get blown out of porportion... Don't get me wrong, I don't know either party and I would like nothing more than for the truth to come out and have light shed on it.

-J

ye i get where you're coming from man

but u gota see it from the general amount of people who get on this forum's view...i'm searching through this forum probably 6 or 7 times a day killing time between classes and such cus im in college...and if this hadnt gone into a much more viewed section like this then i would never have seen it and would never have known about this elliot guy

so ye i understand what you mean...but i appreciate him posting in one the most viewed sections...

Andrew,

You are lying and misleading everyone here. Lets clear some things up here;
A) Yes the twin turbo kit was not working exactly as planned, we swapped to a dual inlet intercooler off ebay to test a possible fix. We did not charge you for this, and I told you," Why would we spend $800+ on a custom intercooler if we didn't know it would fix the problem". You were the one who wanted the twin turbos, and you were charged less than we we install a normal single turbo system for. Since your car I have had several people call about the twin turbo setup and I have steered everyone away from it. We never got to figure out the problem, but suggested a few routes to fix it. The twin inlet intercooler according to you fixed the issue to 20psi, which was just last week. So it was making progress. We never said we were done. Also we offered your old intercooler back to you, you didn't want it.

B) Everything we told you about the engine was true, you even saw the coated sideplates before the engine was assembled. I also have receipts from Edgar for the ALS seals. Josh at Atkins can also verify we have only bought one set of Rx-7 Apex seals and these were installed in another engine for another shop way before yours. You cannot expect chewed bearings to show the coatings since they have been mangled. I have pictures to prove it. I have attached a photo of the Irons and Ports. When you blow an engine parts go through it, they are not going to look the same as the day it went together. You also claimed we put fake Garrett turbos on your car, again I told you call our distributor he will verify it.

C) You did not take your car out of our shop as described. There was not a SINGLE leak on the vehicle. The primary injector you say was stuck open was cleaned by TPI several months before and had been since then on your old engine. Again we have receipts. We never got to tuning the car, we drove it a mere two miles. You were the one who had to pull the car out asap. Then you did a manual swap on it, and according to you had another shop work on the vehicle. You claimed a front main seal was changed. I asked you if they held in the clutch while doing this, then later told me you lied about it to test me. So what can we really believe about what happened?

D). We put new coated bearings in the engine, we even hand clearanced these on our lathe. Went to great lengths on this motor for you. We told you to put 2000 miles on it without boost and drop the oil at 20 miles and every 500 after. You told me you got the car running then not much longer after you were at 20psi, and as high as 22psi. You told me it was running great, and had a ton of power, and spool was incredible. You admitted you did not follow our break-in procedure, because the last motor only did 500 before WOT. Last motor had used bearings.

E) You tuned the car yourself. I asked you how you tuned it. You told me 12AFR, pump gas, with the water alcohol removed. I told you that was way too much for 20psi.

F) you told me there was a problem that the engine had, and you continued to drive it, and you had to drive it floored for it to move. That is negligence on your part.


So in summary you did not follow our break-in procedure, you tuned it poorly, you kept on driving when you knew there was a problem, you claimed another shop removed the front bolt, and you tore the engine apart. All void the warranty.

And STILL we said we would help you, but you want your money back. We cannot pay for your mistakes. I can go on and on, but I have other things to do right now. We also have a great reputation, and many can attest to that.

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whats coated???????????? looooookkkk attt the pics!!!!!!!!!! you tuned it with a stuck open injector and you kept trying and trying and trying i had to find it my fucking self!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it had 70 compression on both rotors when i took it from your shop elliot

everyone look at that bridgeporting job are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

why did we go dyno tune my car at fat performance if you didnt say that the car was done elliot. If i have to get a written statement from the owner of fat performance i will.

I get that it's not "convenient" for you, but the fact is, it is YOUR responsibility to do your own research on whatever shop you plan to have work done by. If you bring it to someone who has a "bad" name and you didn't know it because it was posted in a section that YOU don't frequent, then you have no one to blame but yourself.

-J

Agreed. I check all the bad sections religiously.

I am a business owner aswell and if you ask anyone who knows either my car or me in person i actually had let elliot go in a lot and i mean in a lot of bad situations. im so tired of it now, the only reason i stayed is because there isnt much rotary shops here in az that appear to have reliable work but i actually trusted elliot not only as my rx7 mechanic but as a friend aswell. I did actually pick my car up not running on a tow truck with parts on the bottom completely off bumper was not even attached i had him hand me screws and put it in a seperate box. I didnt even want my intercooler back from him because just looking at it is going to remember how bad i got screwed over. For it to come down to this dude is like wow i have no choice if i have to loose 10k of what i lost to save someone else i would do it in an instant. I had to do the manual swap myself because elliot wanted to charge me 2k dollars to just install the manual swap with me buying all my parts and elliot said it has to be done there is not way around it. If i did do my manual swap through elliot not only would he have a secret 500 dollar charge after its done but he would have said my whole car needs to be cut in half and it needs to be reinstalled it will cost 4k to do it aswell. he says he cut me a great deal on the engine well when someone has given you like 60k to build an rx7, why would you not jump to do it?

calm down sir.

post better pics.

try to explain every thing!

Here's a question then...

Which one of you two is lying about the coating?

Turblown, your pics of coated irons do not at all look like the pics that amunoz3 has posted. And lets get real--even though a chewed bearing wont show any coating, NOTHING AT ALL ON HIS ENGINE shows any coating. I see only two possibilities here.....either you did not use these coated parts in his engine and charged him for them anyways, or his pics show a different engine. Are you trying to tell me that he took pics of someone else's engine and claimed it was the one you built???

This guy spent a LOT of money at your shop. Merely saying "he knows they were coated, he saw the parts before we built the motor" doesnt cut it. I see the pics too that you posted, so clearly you had possession of coated parts....how does that guarantee that THOSE are the parts that you used on this build?

Here's the thing--because of standard warranty stipulations with basically all engine builders, a customer NEVER knows what they truly got because if they crack open the engine it voids the warranty. In my mind, the burden of proof is solely on your shoulders, as the shop that charged money for this work, to prove what actually went into that motor. Something clearly does not add up here....there isnt one speck of coating visible on any of his parts! When asked about it, you talked about a chewed bearing.....fine, but what about THE WHOLE REST OF THE MOTOR?

There had better be a really good explanation why those parts are not coated.

Shut up about being your responsible crap when the shop did intented to screw amunoz3. Looking at the porting tells you what kind of shop this guy is running. I don't know the shop nor care, this is why we got alot of LSX swapper because of shop like this.

Also take pictures of the apex seals. Make sure to throw the oil cooler away don't do what I did and try to clean it out only to end up screwing another motor.

We thought it was done at the time? This was a year ago. Who could have known the turbos were going to surge? Its not like you were charged for our time or the dyno time. After that we changed the intercooler setup and according to you things had improved. How could we have known things were going to be a problem at 20psi? You told me just last week about this problem, and I said maybe changing the turbine housings would help.

A engine that has been run will not look like those photos or a freshly coated engine. When you came by with the engine I showed you the coating still on the sideplates, someone else came out from the shop without evening hearing what I said and showed you the exact same thing. @ what RPM was the compression test done? There were 8.5:1 compression rotors in that engine, and a half bridge, it makes a big difference in compression. Again you didn't break the motor in either.

Andrew,

We have made right on every situation where something was wrong. For example old leaking oil pan on a previous motor, brought in fixed right away no charge. What about taking the transmission in and out for only $150? How about when the water alcohol kit we put in had a bad pump? Pump replaced by us for free, and we were never able to warranty that pump from the manufacturer. We never charged you a dollar to tune your car either, which happened many times over the past few years. Also another way we made progress on the turbo kit was linking the wastegates together, again no charge. On top of this we did not charge to removed or install this past engine. I can go on for a long time.

We aren't lying about anything here. The only thing coated on his engine was the bearings and irons. The center plates not pictured by him show A LOT of the coating. The irons are a wear surface, they aren't going to look the same as the day they are put in. If he gives me a plate to post pictures of I can prove beyond a doubt that they were coated. The reason to coat the sideplates is to micro-seal the pours.

If he wants to send the Apex seals to ALS, they will tell you they are their seals.

I agree no customer knows what they are truly getting. The only way we prove this is a good running engine, that lasts and makes a lot of power. This is generally why we always break-in and tune all the engines we build. No figuring pointing this way.

Another point about the fuel lines, the fuel system was built a year ago. The car had been running previously on this setup without leaks, we checked all of this several times! After the car left here he installed an E11. To even take off the UIM the way this fuel system was setup you had to undue two lines.

Hey bud, do us all a favor and state your incorrect opinion without telling me to "shut up"...

Also, the reason there are so many v8 fds is because there are a lot morons that own them solely for their looks. And don't have a CLUE as to what they have, so when something rotary relayed fails (9 out 10 times its due to the owner) they immediately take the easy road and go Ls.


I stated before, I do not know either party nor am o taking sides, so don't get it twisted. I will say, that if the pictures are true images of his engine then there are quite a few things to be answered...

You jump the conclusion blaming the customer when the porting itself tells you what kind of shop it is. Let hear both side before taking side and as for me by seeing the pictures alone I'm on amunoz3 side.

James,

I dislike cluttering this thread up as it is taking away from the situation that needs to be handled...basically a Mod such as RX7Roller02 handling the dispute between the 2 parties. I'm hoping he will warn everyone that bans are forthcoming if they do not stay out of the thread from here on.

James, I believe if you go back and reread what Gorilla said, he was not defending the shop. He was replying to another poster who considered it inconvenient that he had to actually come to the Bad Guy section to see this sort of thing. Where Gorilla was absolutely correct is that as a buyer...you, me, ANYONE...it is OUR responsibility to research who will work on our cars or for that matter do business with in any aspect of life...before making a commitment. Caveat Emptor...Buyer Beware.

AMunoz even states several times that he has felt screwed (rightfully or wrongly I do not know) by the shop but still continued to do business with them. Honestly, why even bring up the rotary vs piston argument? That was just silly and as there are more piston engines in the world, there are more dishonest piston mechanics. Trying to bring rotary vs piston into this is a bit silly, wouldn't you agree?

I'd like to suggest that you re-read the post that Gorilla was replying to, then Gorilla's response, and then perhaps realize you misinterpreted and overreacted. Might even want to offer an apology to Gorilla but that is really on you as a man to show what type of person you are.

With that being said, hopefully ALL of us can stay out of the thread and allow the Mods to handle the issue.

I reread this thread. You are confusing people here. We never tuned this new engine, never put more than two miles on it. You are speaking about an older engine we fixed & tuned, that was run hard for over a year and half with an apexi single turbo system @ 16psi.

I also missed the part about your front bumper that was done over a year ago. When you picked the car up running on the older engine I asked you about the new intercooler setup. You said you loved it, and it looked very aggressive. You are now just bringing to light problems you have had. How could we possible know you were upset about things if you hadn't brought them up? How could we fix anything if we had no idea?

Well before this thread was started I said we would still help you with the motor, you declined said you didn't trust us anymore. I offered this and many other possibilities because we felt bad for you, not responsible for the blown engine. I have put myself in your situation many times, I understand all you want is a very fast car, you have paid a lot over the years and you still don't have it. I also told you I would give you a single turbo manifold and down pipe because you wanted to go single. This was a few days ago.

If you search on name on this forum you will not find a single bad thing mentioned about us. For example;

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You told me that my old stock oil pan works perfectly fine and i didnt want the upgraded oil pan. You said okay okay your oil pan works great you dont need the upgraded oil pan its going to work okay. When i got my engine back it leaked sooooooo much oil i couldnt even drive it 5 miles without losing 2 quarts of oil it was ridiculous. you charged me a little bit to put that oil pan in but that was a mistake on your part it should have been completely free and you still charged me 400 for that oil pan for fixing something that you said was perfectly fine which comes to prove elliot how much respect i had for you man. Now, the tranny you told me that a 3k stall converter will work with the bridgeport engine. so we had to wait a while so this peice gets custom made and it was costing me 1k. The part came in and it completely did not even work there was no way to drive this car home. You then told me, we need to go back to streetport i will only charge you 1k to go back to streetport or we have to manual swap the car then the car will work. If i wanted to do any experimentation on this car with knowing hmmm will this part work? or that part? i could have done all this myself and not have to pay you to do experimentation. I pay for something i expect for it to be done once and its over when a shop does it.

elliot i would have been more glad to accept anything you wanted to give me but dude the look you had given me and you wanted to sniff out any little peice of dirt even a small bug on my front engine parts and that was soooo disrespectful man. I didnt come over to your shop to talk i dont even want to stay there for 2 minutes. i honestly went over just to see what you were offering i didnt come to talk about the engine at all. I had left so angry man words cant even describe.

heres my explanation about the bumper........ i havent seen my car literally for so many months just a about a year. so to me that front bumper seems like i just got it done yesterday. When i was working on the car i took out the front bumper and dropped it man and i couldnt believe how my front frame was cut it looks like chainsaw massacre wanted to salvage title my car. I have to find a body shop now to put that back together and paint it. if i knew you would have to cut my car like that before you did the work i would have been like hell no dont do it.

also too how did you not tune my new engine? if a rotary goes from a streetport to a bridgeport definitely tuning has to be done or how is it going to work? you even said oh man i had to retard the timing in order for it to run right this and that, this and that. and at that point you should have caught my leaking fuel injector.

My definition of tuned is a completed tune; idle, driveability, cruise, every boost cell. All we adjusted was idle, and there was other problems. I proved for free that your wiring harness wires were broken to your idle control motor, and you are right we did not know the injector was stuck open. Those iron coatings have to wear down before you can really start to tune, as they keep on fouling plugs. We pulled the uim and the lim runners were coated from reversion. All the plugs looked the same and we tested the secondary and made sure the other connectors were all in the right place. We did not get to finish anything Andrew. Why would we spend a lot of time trimming the bumper properly if we had to move back to the other intercooler? As I said we weren't done, you came in and towed your car out. I am sorry it has come to this, we are still willing to help you with free labor. The motor would have been fixable if you wouldn't have tossed it loosely in the back of the truck and let your buddy toss the rotors against the bed. I also told you we would give you your old set of streetported irons if you wanted them instead of the BP.

i just read all of this...nothing out of the ordinary as 2 ppl arguing....but this was the biggest eye catcher

Now, the tranny you told me that a 3k stall converter will work with the bridgeport engine. so we had to wait a while so this peice gets custom made and it was costing me 1k. The part came in and it completely did not even work there was no way to drive this car home. You then told me, we need to go back to streetport i will only charge you 1k to go back to streetport or we have to manual swap the car then the car will work. If i wanted to do any experimentation on this car with knowing hmmm will this part work? or that part? i could have done all this myself and not have to pay you to do experimentation. I pay for something i expect for it to be done once and its over when a shop does it

WTF...explain that....

yes elliot please explain it.

everyone please look at the pics and tell me if any of this is fixable (engine wise) please. or maybe it is in elliots view which is probably why this happened to me anyways. how can i just keep giving elliot thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars to get absolutely no where thats the only thing that i dont understand.

Elliot i cant believe your uncle lets you work at his shop but judging how he was acting when i came to confront you about this, he taught you everything he knows thats for sure. That yellow lambo customer probably got tired of putting money into the car that he forgot about it and let it go and it cant even run.

So then explain to me why you said this earlier about the bearings:

If being a wear surface alone is enough for the coating to have worn off by now, why would the bearings have to be "chewed" and "mangled" for them to have no coating left on them. Arent they also wear surfaces too? If there is still coating left on the center irons, I would like to see that posted here.

Now, for some housekeeping...

Jamespond, you have come to me repeatedly asking for help over the years when someone didnt deliver as promised to you. I am not going to ask you to stay out of this thread....I'm TELLING you to stay out of this thread. The purpose here is not to bitch and moan at people, it is to resolve the issue. You have been involved in enough of these deals that you should know better than this. Stay out of this thread, please. The guy youre picking a fight with isnt even involved in this issue....and all youre doing is distracting from the point at hand. That goes for everyone that has ideas about coming in here and getting their panties in a bunch.

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Trimming the bumper properly? is that a nice way of saying cutting my bumper? my bumper is practically cut and the whole top supports stick out and you cant even open the hood with ease. no more trimming dont even say the word it brings chills to my spine. the front end without a bumper is something that will haunt me forever.


You want to give me my old street ported irons back from an engine that you blew and that never had good compression to begin with? what am i going to do with that?


Elliot you drove my car and boosted a few lbs of boost with the half bridgeport motor...... talk about breaking in an engine huh? you got stuck out on the street and a cop even had to help you out and made sure you got it back to the shop hmm i dont know sounds like street tuning to me.


last but not least we should start talking about my new pink chalk paint job from it sitting outside and my messed up egt gauge thats pretty expensive. geez it seems like the last time i seen the car was last years sevenstock and i couldnt make it this year sadly.


even some people from the local forum from last years sevenstock remembers my paint being in good condition :(

Find someone with a decent camera and get some better pictures ;P.

AGREE, also who did the bridge on that plate?

We found out Andrew put a stock FD flywheel on the engine when doing the manual swap. It was an auto when it left with a S4 T2 CW bolted to the flex plate. The engine internals are from an S4 T2. Unfortunately this led to a very unbalanced assembly and it blew the rear main bearing, from there it was downhill. Andrew has been over a few times since, and we have been helping him with our stash of used good parts.

why the fuck is there t2 parts in my fd when i only paid for 93 motor parts. first off........ you said it was the tuning........... then you said it was front engine parts............... then your saying its my flywheel. the used parts are all junk except for the rear main bearing. you gave me a housing that you say its in perfect condition with only about 1k miles and i will be posting pics of it tomorrow of the porting that was done on it LOL............. I keep giving you chances to redeem yourself elliot and seriously its getting old, old friend. all im asking for is a good engine and you cant even do it that. you give me a bad e shaft like its okay..... you tell me just get it polished. You know whats funny is that i was not even going to say something and he just had to say something LOL

Elliot at turblown.

Wow man sounds like you are having a hard time with turblown. I would like say that there is another good shop in town, az rotary rockets. I jus bougt my first 7 and glenn is a cool guy who dose good work. Take ur engine to him and see what he can do.

Elliot, I understand that some of this you may not agree with but I think u should try to get this off the main forum and try to help the guy. Nobody wants to see a buisness man argue with his customers on the internet.

I think arguing about this on the internet is the only chance he has to save himself. He needs to be here to defend himself, as does the customer. And all the other forum members need to see this type of thing. Keeping it behind closed doors will only lead to others being hurt by Turblown, or amunoz harassing other companies. With a public debate just maybe the truth will come to light.

Suggesting that Elliot try to get this discussion out of the public eye seems very much like what governments do when they try to cover up mistakes.

I didnt think about it like that hm. I guess its true cause i would now be hesitatn about going to turblown considering he is or was the second closest rotary specialist to where i live.

Elliott,

I am beginning to feel more than a little bit played here, and I find myself not liking it very much.

It's time for a good explanation as to what exactly is going on here. Yesterday, you sent me a PM asking me to delete this thread. Here is the PM that you sent me:

NOW, please explain to me why just yesterday you would send me a PM making it sound like this was Andrew's fault? That he admitted to using the wrong flywheel, "among other things"? That you "sure dont deserve bad publicity"? It sounds to me as if you were just trying to make this thread go away quietly....so now why, if you "sure dont deserve any bad publicity", are we now seeing that you put S4 FC internals and other parts into a build that was supposed to only have FD parts? I am beginning to wonder what else you have not told us.....

Like I said, I'm feeling a bit like you tried to play me....and that doesnt sit real well round these parts. There had better be a very good explanation for this.

I most surely did not, if so I would not have even posted that information after you opened the thread. Of course I wanted this thread to go away, even wrongly accused press, is bad press.

I never told Andrew this engine had FD rotors, this engine had been in pieces, ready to assemble for years. Andrew never specified a single item in this engine, whether it be FD rotors, coated parts, ALS seals etc. It was all left to me to decided what was best for the motor. S4 t2 rotors had always been planned to be put in this engine, and he was made aware of previously. Appears he forgot, or never really understood. S4 t2 rotors are a common upgrade for high boost applications, I am not the only one doing this. S4 t2 rotors are 8.5:1 compression, much safer in my experience past 20psi, which this engine was intended to do.

Point is I never told him there was FD rotors inside. Why would I put the wrong rotors inside the engine? At the time the engine was built had several sets of both S4 t2, and FD rotors, all in good shape. Makes absolutely no sense.

Let me add to the point about the ALS seals since he accused me of putting in Atkins seals. His reasoning for saying I put atkins seals in is because someone told him that is what they looked like, and since he thought they were broken how could they be ALS( unbreakable). He didn't know they were a 2 piece design and assumed they were broken. Only thing I can think of is someone saw atkins solid corner seals and made that assumption. Regardless I didn't lie about ANYTHING being put in this engine, and I have NEVER done that in almost 10 years of building engines.

Andrew came to my shop the day of me sending that PM, he told me he closed the thread before he got there, and he did. He wasn't acting pist, we were talking again and I was giving him some parts. I mentioned the flywheel issue, and he gave me the impression he knew he was wrong. He had planned on coming back again for more parts. I guess I made the wrong assumption.

I have attached a few photos so you ALL can see what I have been talking about. Again nothing to hide.

Andrew,

Like I said I never in any way shape or form led you to believe there was FD rotors in this engine. You are correct first I did say it was the tune, I didn't get to look at the engine that close, and I didn't take it apart. What I did see was cracked spark plug holes, and you later told me you were running 9s all the way around. A common mistake, you can't just upgrade the L only holes, especially as high as 22psi. Also you texted me you took out the water alcohol and were at 12AFR on the wideband at 20psi, on pump gas. That is WAY too lean, and will blow a motor. Of course I would suspect a pinched front spacer too, you told me another shop did the front main seal, and when I asked if they held in the clutch you couldn't tell me a straight answer. If you let the spacer drop it will ruin an engine. So now when it comes to light that the wrong flywheel was used, of course that is part of the problem!

Now if we took apart the engine and found the spacer not pinched, I would have never brought up the spacer possibility.

Onfcourse I am going to say something here Andrew. I am trying to undue all this slander.

Here are the pictures of the crack spark plug holes on this engine, and the coating not all the way worn down to the pours. This is the engine in question.
I have never led anyone to believe that after you open a coated running engine it is going to look the same as it did when it was assembled( speaking of a correctly running engine here).

hell no i was ignoring you completely when you were telling me about the flywheel and i never agreed or nodded. I am not taking advice from you elliot...... period........ I didnt come to talk i closed the thread because i seriously thought you were going to help me and ofcourse you gave me crappy parts so i can blow another engine. If you want moderator i can post pictures of his so called used parts and i will let you be the judge in clearing that up. I still dont see any coating on that peice but he might have put some smudges to try and save his business. OUT OF RESPECT OF KNOWING THAT I WAS GOING TO GET HELP I CLOSED THE THREAD WHO ELSE WOULD DO THAT???? I am not trying to harass any business unless i had reason too. I only had elliot work on my car since i bought it 3 years ago and this is the first business i ever had to complain about in my life.

what ever this guy said on this post, dont believe it or maybe you should if you like blown engines and lying.

lol you inspected all my spacers and you found nothing wrong with anything. i dont know how to tune nor can i ever try because i dont know what im doing with that. Elliot your not the tuner i dont know how you got 12 afr. cracked spark plug holes is there but not from the spark plugs it was getting way to hot on that engine from the bearings were crapped. i asked elliot about the engine getting way hot, and he said oh thats normal on a bridgeported engine dont worry about it the idle at 2k rpms is going to get really hot even when i explained that it was hot while cruising.

i never agreed upon t2 parts. I didnt leave the engine for you to build to put whatever you want elliot. If you told me you were putting t2 parts in my engine i would of been like no way absolutely no way.

Elliot knew the engine was being built for horsepower then why did he install 9s all the way around to begin with? if my plugs were 10s or higher i would have been glad to install those plugs no problem. Take a look at how elliots coatings are suppose to look like........... http://www.turblown.net/coat.html

well, elliott, first off, I didnt reopen this thread. If you do not know something, it is better to not speak.

Second, he brings up a good point.....you say that 9's are a mistake, and yet you installed them in his engine?

Third, your own website says that the coating penetrates the metal and that the coatings last indefinitely....and while I dont expect the coating to look like brand new, I dont expect the entire surface to be stripped of a coating that "is impossible to extract from the metal", as your website says.

--"Impossible to extract from the surface"
--"will last indefinitely"

And yet, after a short amount of time the entire coating is gone?

Then, there is the issue of the extreme heat he was finding. If he told you that, and you said it was normal with a BP, AND WITH A COATED MOTOR THAT IS SUPPOSED TO "DRAMATICALLY REDUCE HEAT", something isnt right.

And to top it all off, there is still the issue of the BP, no porting work should ever look like that.