foxracing5155

hey guys, just got my baby back last night from a local shop (i posted them in the good business section check them out) and after several hours of driving around aimlessly i decided to throw something up here about the shop i originally got work done at. I really don't know where to start so i guess ill start at the begining.

I own a 94 FD which i bought 3 years ago with a blown turbo seal on one of the stock twins. I bought the car aiming to just replace the turbos and get it on the road asap. I looked on this forum for a reputable shop, found JPR, and gave them a call. After discussing the issue and my options for a while, i decided to rebuild/port the motor and go with a single turbo set up instead of the twins. JPR gave me a reasonable price so i figured lets do it, it will almost be like having a new car. Turned out being the WORST DECISION EVER!!!!!! not because of the price or the car but because of the shop i chose. The engine blew 6k miles in. He ended up not carring what so ever! He reused all the factory gaskets, hoses, clamps,apex seals, everything, u name it he reused it, which have never been changed in the cars total 83k miles. Instead of getting new ones and including them in the quote he used extreme amounts of silicone, hoses with a screw in the end for block off points, left live 12 volt wires stripped just hanging there,he used a Non turbo 88 exhaust gasket, he didnt wrap anything with heat wrap, didnt change the fuel filter, ect ect ect. I mean like the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on!!!!!!!!The port he gave me was not what was discused! The Car idled terribly rough between 1and 2k rpm. He said thats how cars with ports idle. He completely took advantage of my lack of knowledge! I mean im not trying to be a complete dick here but he basicly wasted $10,500 of my hard earned cash!

I DO NOT SUGGEST JPR IMPORTS FOR ANY KIND OF WORK!!

southsidecox

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that sounds pretty bad but some pics would definitely bolster your case,especially if you had some before and after

foxracing5155

Ight deff man I believe I do have a few, ill post them them when I get home

moehler

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I find this hard to believe. I've had a ton of work done by Jim (including an engine rebuild that's going on 30k of hard driving) and its always been top notch and he's always been an honest guy. He would not reuse gaskets or apex seals on a rebuild. Do you know how the engine blew??

In Jims defense, your story seems so off base that there has to be some information missing.

JPR build this for me from a stock engine. Hardly the type of work you are describing...

foxracing5155

I see where your comming from too, man. Im still working on those pics, like southside said they would show some proof.

I cant figure out how to get the image on here so heres a link.
event:https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...8&postcount=61

heres more
event:https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...1&postcount=78

all seals were old and had been reused and the oil control rings literally broke apart when they were removing them. He also used a peace of exhaust for intercooler pipeing right off the turbo. Like i said jim really did seem like a nice guy and im not trying to kill him here but i dont want anyone to end up in my situation, i litteraly have like 3 pages of misc parts he either reused or didnt install. I just wish i had a pic of the engine bay after jpr finished, im going to keep looking. i gotta have one somewhere.

FelixIsGod29X

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What were your mods and who tuned the car? if it was modded to the point it needed tuning that is.

rx7roller02

Here's a question---goodfella identifies this engine as "178P". How do we know that it is the same one youre talking about here?

Brodie121

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this sticks out in my opinion...

foxracing5155

Yes they did which lead me to find out about all the sloppy work. I could have goodfella come on here and confirm engine 178 p is my car but he asked to not be involved. He doesn't want problems with jpr. This is strictly only involving me. It basically comes down to maybe Jim did some good work in his day but that deff wasn't the case with my car. You can choose to believe me or not, I just want ppl to be aware of what happened in my situation. Thanks. Phil

SlimJim

Hello to all.I was just informed of this thread,so excuse me for posting late.I have no recolection of this gentlemens car and received no calls regarding and engine failure.It seems to me that the problem was years ago,and we have worked on a ton of cars sense then.Not sure why this is the first that I am hearing about it.In regards to me using old apex seals etc...thats simply not true,and I am sure Ray at malloy mazda could attest to.Anybody who's done business with me knows that my customers are my top priority,and workmanship is covered 100%.So if this gentlemen wants to come by my shop(with his receipt)I would be happy to discuss it.In conclusion it seems to me that there is more to this thread than meets the eye....

RotaryEvolution

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with an accusation of over $10k of fraud i would at least have some sort of proof, a reciept or something..

foxracing5155

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foxracing5155

foxracing5155

foxracing5155

ok there is your recette, and yes you did built the car in 2008, this is the first time you are hearing about it because the car was over the one year warrenty (that you see posted above) at the time of failure it blew beacuse of another shops poor install of the boost controller. The vacume line was run against the radiator witch melted and caused the boost to skyrocket. so at that point i figured it had nothing to do with you, it was on the other shop. i found out about all of this poor work done by jpr only when i took it to get rebuilt which took almost a year and a half. so there is at least 2 and a half years i had no clue the work was not done properly. In reguards to using old seals ect, gaskets, wrong gaskets, pieces of exhaust for the charge pipe, garden hoses, leaving live wires strips ect ect ect, if you are claiming your custamers are top priority than why do i have this new shop telling me/showing me who ever worked on this car the first time shouldnt be working on rx7's?????
like i said jim, you seemed like a very nice guy dont get me wrong, im just notifying everyone else of what happened in my situation. maybe you needed cash real bad that month or whatever and slacked up on one car, "Mine" idk. It was after the one year warrenty so there is nothing i can even really do about it. I am just notifying everyone of what happened in my situation.

moehler

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Your first post implied that JPR's work was the cause of the engine failure, now you mention that the cause was from another shop. You also mentioned that JPR "ended up not caring whatsoever", now your saying that you never even brought it up yo him.

I'm not claiming to know what happened, but there are a ton of people who swear by JPRs work quality and honesty.

foxracing5155

And like I said I understand hat that but I'm just letting everyone know what happened in my Situation, u don't have to believe me, if u take your car there and end up in my situation don't come crying back to me. And when I said he didn't care what so ever I was referring to when he did the work. I didn't need to speak with him to see he didn't care at all it was apparent! I should have said he obviously didn't care what so ever,if he cared the work would have been done correctly.

Polak Graphics

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Who was the other shop that did the poor boost controller? Possible, they swapped your engine out?

There were one or two infamous "rotary specialist" for doing shady **** like that in NJ years ago.

foxracing5155

Not possible at all, it was maximum auto sound and performance in garwood. They Knew nothing about rotorys and I was standing right there watching them itstall it lol

JUICEBOX

this is nonsense... jim is the man ... his work is amazing ...this thread should die.... anyone that knows jim knows that he wouldn't do this stuff...

rex3

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+1 I have met Jim before and seen some of his work. Jim is a cool knowledgeable dude.

This thread should be closed.

moehler

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The more I think about this the more annoyed I get. There has not been a bad word spoken regarding JPR in the 10 years I've known him or the time I have been on this forum.

The reality is that there is 6k miles and 2.5 years in-between when Jim built this car and now. it's also clear that another shop, that the OP says knows nothing about rotaries (with a "LOL" mind you), poorly installed a boost controller and the wrong plugs.

Anything could have happened to this car in those 2.5 years. Who knows where the garden hose came from or why the wrong exhaust gasket was used; but I'm pretty confident that nothing here was jims fault. Did you supply those parts with a turbo kit? A lose wire or a hose caped with a bolt, while not desirable, are not reasons to bash a reputable engine builder. If those things bothered you in the beginning, you should have addressed it with him then.

Big88chevy

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Jim is completely and entirely all about the customer, you are 1 person in a huge number of people to get work done at his shop and have a bad experience. Jim has done amazing work on my "budget" half-bridge build and would not reuse main components simply because hes been building these motors for 15+ years.


Did u check on the build at all while jim was doing the work?? when hes there he is completely ok with you coming in and taking a look....just for future reference

RotaryEvolution

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if i had a nickel for every time i have heard an opposing shop say those words, i could retire. every mechanic has their own idea of what the right way is, some rotary shops would say that if you reused rotor housings which we all know is a very biased opinion otherwise there would be no inspection procedure in the FSM.

your car ran and drove fine before the other shop blew it up? i'm also a bit lost here. all i really see claimed is that he used substandard materials with no proof, not that i can make out even a single word on that shitty cell phone picture of the reciept or anything.

Supernaut

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We all know Jim has a good reputation on the forums and we all know he is a nice guy. Actually, a really nice guy. I'd like to see more actual relelvant info rather than vouches that aren't necessary.