680RWHP12A

getting alittle off topic ?


rotaryshack has never accepted credit cards,and don't intend on it any time soon. this guy was trying to scam me , my paypal account is fine, all online transactions are don't through PAYPAL IM A VERIFIED BUSSINESS MEMBER in good standing. this guy was trying to use someone elses credit card, and i don't think he even had a paypal account.

socalrotor

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So RotaryShack does NOT have a business licence? I never heard this disputed, did I miss it?

DivinDriver

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You know, I do find it kind of funny that so many people are willing to believe at face value the unsupported words of an anonymous poster on Craigslist. Wasn't even a forum member tht wrote the original tale, if I read the initial post correctly - - looks like the OP was quoting a craigslist post throughout.

Mighty thin gruel to be making accusations out of, in my opinion. Just sayin'.

socalrotor

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I am NOT looking trash anyone or add to the drama, I am just looking for the the truth.

rx7roller02

I guess you missed the part of this thread where rotary shack came in and posted that this did in fact happen. That in itself doesnt make for thin anything--it makes for an incident that really happened.

ReZ311

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What's the problem? The transaction never took place.

puhpaper

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Red Flag central.

rx7roller02

Youre kidding, right?

We're talking about a guy that runs a shop. This guy that runs a shop told a prospective customer that he would have to charge him a very unreasonable amount of money to take a credit card--which is not only ridiculous business, but it is also illegal. The credit card companies have merchant agreements that do not allow them to tack on such a fee. Saying it doesnt matter because the sale never took place ignores these two facts. Then again, we should not expect much from unlicensed businesses anyways, I guess.

All he needed to do was tell the guy that he couldnt accept credit cards. When was the last time you went into any business and they tried to charge you $220 extra because you wanted to put the purchase on your card? Better yet, if you HAD been told that, would you think that it was a good, reputable business? If you would think that there was something shady about that, wouldnt you tell your friends not to shop there? That brings us to this thread right here....any questions?

windchaserfc3s

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I definitely believe it. The work may be great from what I hear, but the business sense may be lacking. Ive been duped out of money there before, but lets not get into that.

mazspeed

This doesn't surprise me whatsoever. Robert has always been a con artist in my opinion. It always pissed me off how he would try and shift everything around on the person complaining and try and make them feel like they were the ones that at fault. I guess they were for going though Robert for parts and or services.

I had no idea that his rating with the BBB was an "F". That’s hard to do. I figured at the very least he had a license and insurance, but now people say that he doesn’t. I know he has been banned more than once on this forum and why he’s able to conduct business here doesn’t make much sense to me. I think the moderators should ban him or at least keep him from making any money here. The rotary community was something I was proud to be a part of for many years and it’s people like Robert that drag it down. He tends to pray on people by offering something he can’t really provide. If I ran my company this way I would be out of business as a license electrical contractor.

We have many strict local and state guidelines that we have to follow when we work. Providing quality services for my customers is something I take great pride in as does many good shops on here. This is not a good shop, and Robert is not a good person. I understand what people want, a fast car for a cheap price, but you can’t get fast, cheap and good, and this is what he touts. I had someone just yesterday e-mail me and ask me for help regarding Robert and I told him I could not help him. I felt bad that he trusted Robert, but I could not provide relieve, but what I can do is tell the Rotary community to stop using his services. I did a search on Rotary Shack and most of it is bad.

The cons will stop once the forum that has been generously provided for them is taken away and the complaints will stop. I urge the mods to get rid of him once and for all and not to provide a medium for him to pray upon unsuspecting customers. Do people need another messed up another car or part that is 6 months late. Enough is enough.

Natey

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I came over from this thread, but I'm afraid to post there.

https://www.rx7club.com/bad-fugly-businesses-231/robert-l-aka-rotary-shack-871968/

Thanks for the info, especially BudgetDrift, Tenaz and roller. I live in the Bay Area and will be sure to take my hard-earned dollars to a different shop, ie Rotorsport, PR, Mr. Mazda, etc..

mazspeed

Hey Natey. Paul at Rotorsport is a great builder as is Rick Weldon at PR Motorsports. Rick is one of the most honest guys in the car world and if I had my choice, I would go see him again.

DivinDriver

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No, I read that part... but I also read the part where Robert said the guy was trying to use someone else's credit card, and claimed to have a paypal account but did not. It also looks to me like Robert denied ever taking or trying to take a credit card, and also said that even if his neighbor DID have a CC machine, they wouldn't do a third-party charge anyway. Robert also said that his paypal account is in good standing - - which contradicts the complainers story.

That sounds more like a denial to me, rather than admitting anything more than this guy did try to buy, but left empty handed.

But hey, whatever - - I got no dog in this fight, as I said before; just talking about it like everyone else here. I just think first-hand info is better than third, especially when the third hand info is anonymous.

Got a question, though... if the site's official position (You are a mod, right? So your posts are official?) is that RotaryShack is so shady... why are you guys carrying them as a vendor?

Seems kind of conflicted to me, to take a company's money to provide them with "vendor" status, and then trash their reputation without first-hand knowledge of the situation.

mike_merryguy

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RX7club will take anyones money even if they are gonna rip someone off...

and I don't think this sounds right but not to shady, I mean technically you DO take credit as you have a Paypal account, and any legit buyer can set up a paypal for FREE and have a CC verified in Minutes...

If the guy was requesting a w9 he probably wasn't a scammer, he probably was using his company card, although I don't know why anyone would use a company card for auto repairs unless it was an emergency and he was broke and got it approved...

In that situation though if it were me I would just go to a shop that took cards and get it done... although repairs on 7's are pricey and someone that knows what they are doing would be better....

Just sounds to me like the buyer got in a pickle and rotary shack didn't feel comfortable doing buis with him..

I say FAIL to rotaryshack for not being honest with the guy, thats not good business ethic, next time just say sorry no cc's only paypal or cash... and you won't have to deal with people talking **** about you...

Honesty is going to be your best bet in any situation especially if you are a business owner, legal buis or not, especially not b/c you don't want to get reported...

DriveFast7

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Cash only is acceptable. I was at an automotive shop years ago and some chick kept paying with checks and cancelled them when showing up to pick up the car. Shop owner called the cops and told the lady 'cash only'. If you got the $ in your checking account, you can pay me cash.

680RWHP12A

thank you. im glad you understand my position with this scam artist i dont see whats so hard to understand about this deal.

p.s. this guy tried to scam another local rotary shop the same way but thanks to this thread he knew what was up

TENAZ

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Doing some research found this guy really exist:
He has an account on my space.

CR3SPO

1/3/2010 12:54 PM
To: Ivan

hey there this is ray. Sorry for the delay my computer is shot. I am the one that posted the ad about robert. In fact i have a recorded conversation with him and i've saved all the texts he sent me. I didn't try to by anything with a stolen credit card. I had permission to use a corporate mastercard from work that we buy parts with all the time. Paypal said that a transaction done with the seller was high risk but they wouldn't elaborate. Robert told me it was prob because of a previous customer of his that tried to scam him. That ******* straight up texted me and said he was gonna charge me an extra 200 to take my card for the hassle. I'd be glad to text u all he said and if u want i'll play the entire recorded conversation.



TENAZ

680RWHP12A

lets see it. i dont and never have accepted credit cards.

680RWHP12A

defiantly a load of horse ****!!!!!!!

rx7roller02

1--Robert did not at any time say that he did not tell the guy that he would charge him $200 more as a fee. Not once, not ever. In fact, Robert in his own words acknowledged that he did for real speak with this prospective customer and that the guy tried to use a credit card. He did not at any time, I repeat, say that he didnt make that offer. The details that Robert did provide make it clear that he does have a neighbor that has this machine, and that this conversation really did take place.

2---the paypal in good standing does not contradict a thing, because it is 100% misleading. Here's the problem--Robert has a proven history of making customers wait for MONTHS, sometimes more than a YEAR, for the parts or work they paid for. Anyone who uses paypal knows that once the time to report a complaint has expired, paypal will not allow you to file a complaint. That time limit is what, 45 days from the date you paid??? So, let's think this through--Robert strings you along as a customer for a while, keeps promising you a new delivery date for the work you paid for. The minute that the 45 days has passed, youre outta luck, chief, so how would paypal in good standing mean anything? It doesnt.

And like I said, the answer was easy enough and did not amount to fraud at all. Anyone who has ever had access to a corporate charge card knows that your personal name is not the one on the account, and that you would instead be an authorized user of the account. As it turns out, that appears to be the case here.

Two small details that you failed to grasp--first, when Robert himself is in contact with me regarding his transactions, and I use the specific info that HE PROVIDED TO ME to get to these conclusions, then I am not relying on "anonymous third party info". And second, we now know that this was in fact a real person and that Robert did do exactly what was claimed.

I do not have any hand in the decision as to who is a vendor and who is not. Believe me, if I did, the whole rotary shack lot would be out of here in a heartbeat. We already have enough problem children without their mess.

1--it is not possible for anyone to have "first-hand" info of any situation, unless we personally were the customer. That does not take away the fact that as a moderator here I have a job to do, and that job involves handling dishonest buyers and sellers here. OF course, I agree that first-hand info is better, but you do not know even half the story. I asked for Rob, through another member because he was banned at the time, to contact me via email and explain his side of the recent issues. He did so. I used HIS information to catch him lying about a lot of the details of what supposedly happened. I didnt rely on someone else, and certainly not on an anonymous person, to get to the conclusion that I did. When Robert himself changes his story a bunch of times, simple common sense dictates that something stinks at Rotary Shack.

2-- I do not take his money for anything. At this point, he was unbanned only so that the bad transactions he has caused with some of our members can be discussed. That doesnt mean that I take his money for anything. It means he was allowed back in after being banned already, so that we might fix the problems he has caused and get people either the things they paid for or their hundreds of dollars back.

Next time, if you dont know the facts, dont criticize me or my actions. This isnt a democracy.

socalrotor

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I am still kinda wondering.........

AcidAngel7477

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wow..

:AA:

680RWHP12A

thank you . some people just dont get it!

680RWHP12A

come by the shop anytime. your been here before

socalrotor

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Hum If we have met I do not recall. I can't recall ever visiting the shop either, but I am not disputing it I forget a lot....