Shopping for a WI kit
11-24-09, 05:50 PM
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Shopping for a WI kit
I'm shopping for a WI kit and I'm seriously disappointed by all the web sites and dealer web sites - except for Coolingmist.com. Coolingmist's web site is the only one that is actually informative and useful in helping pick out a system that fits my needs.
When I try and go to Aquamist.co.uk or fjoracing.com, I'm seriously disappointed. I can't get pricing or info from their sites. What little info is available is haphazard and there is no pricing info. Going to their online dealer's sites results in an even messier situation where either their products can't be found on their dealer sites or the products are so scattered you can't figure out which is which and what fits your needs.
If there are people from those sites reading this, take a clue from coolingmist. I think I'll be buying their product since they present their product with all the information I need to make a purchase.
Anyone have any input on where else to buy?
When I try and go to Aquamist.co.uk or fjoracing.com, I'm seriously disappointed. I can't get pricing or info from their sites. What little info is available is haphazard and there is no pricing info. Going to their online dealer's sites results in an even messier situation where either their products can't be found on their dealer sites or the products are so scattered you can't figure out which is which and what fits your needs.
If there are people from those sites reading this, take a clue from coolingmist. I think I'll be buying their product since they present their product with all the information I need to make a purchase.
Anyone have any input on where else to buy?
11-25-09, 07:34 AM
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I have an Aquamist hfs-5 which is now the hfs-6, and it works great. jackblalock@gmail.com is the email addy for Richards U.S. supplier, he should be able to help you with anything you need.
11-25-09, 11:08 AM
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Finally found a decent Aquamist dealer with a usable/informative web site:
http://www.howertonengineering.com/aquamist.htm
http://www.iaperformance.com/index.php?cPath=1462_1463
http://www.howertonengineering.com/aquamist.htm
http://www.iaperformance.com/index.php?cPath=1462_1463
11-25-09, 03:03 PM
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Tothe original poster,
Funny, someone who makes a competing kit calls Vari-Cool "Rubbish".
For the record, the Vari-Cool controller sold from 2005-2009 and had an excellent track record and was a fine controller.
Today the CMGS and VC2 controllers take its place and offer features other controllers dont offer at any price. When anyone puts down a competitors controller or kit, always consider the source.
If you have any questions about coolingmist products feel free to ask.
Funny, someone who makes a competing kit calls Vari-Cool "Rubbish".
For the record, the Vari-Cool controller sold from 2005-2009 and had an excellent track record and was a fine controller.
Today the CMGS and VC2 controllers take its place and offer features other controllers dont offer at any price. When anyone puts down a competitors controller or kit, always consider the source.
If you have any questions about coolingmist products feel free to ask.
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11-25-09, 04:40 PM
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I call it the way i see it.
The kit we use actually works and is working in 550rwhp+ rotaries and is proven.
Considering i have alot of bits from your company on my car for my water injection, it obviously shows i have nothing against your company, just not all the bits are great. Take it how you want.
As for me being the source of the above advice, i work with Water injected cars on a daily basis and i am always trying new things with them. I dont post **** on here because i think it might be right, i only post on here when i have tried something and base my advice on my experience. You sell kits and thats were it ends for you. We sell and fit and tune and WE ONLY DO ROTARIES. ITS OUR SPECIALITY.
The kit we use actually works and is working in 550rwhp+ rotaries and is proven.
Considering i have alot of bits from your company on my car for my water injection, it obviously shows i have nothing against your company, just not all the bits are great. Take it how you want.
As for me being the source of the above advice, i work with Water injected cars on a daily basis and i am always trying new things with them. I dont post **** on here because i think it might be right, i only post on here when i have tried something and base my advice on my experience. You sell kits and thats were it ends for you. We sell and fit and tune and WE ONLY DO ROTARIES. ITS OUR SPECIALITY.
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11-25-09, 05:42 PM
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You can call it any way you want. i dont expect a compliment from any of our competitors. We have 500 + HP rotaries using our Vari-Cool as well. Our kits were proven before water injection was a wet dream of yours.
I would also tell you since you wanted to bash our product that there are far more rotaries with our Vari-Cool than your kit. Call it any way you want, I expect a company that makes water injection components to bash us. Its expected in todays world. My company would care less to ever even mention your product in any light (negative or positive). I dont care if customer X buys your kit instead of ours, makes no difference to me. But you bash my product and give zero reasons why and you are a competitor you lack all credibility.
you want to Knock our kit or our product go ahead, I dont need to knock yours. Just dont expect me to sit back and take it.
I would also tell you since you wanted to bash our product that there are far more rotaries with our Vari-Cool than your kit. Call it any way you want, I expect a company that makes water injection components to bash us. Its expected in todays world. My company would care less to ever even mention your product in any light (negative or positive). I dont care if customer X buys your kit instead of ours, makes no difference to me. But you bash my product and give zero reasons why and you are a competitor you lack all credibility.
you want to Knock our kit or our product go ahead, I dont need to knock yours. Just dont expect me to sit back and take it.
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11-27-09, 07:48 PM
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Why should i bother arguing with you? Your obviously very thick. If you read my post correctly i am not saying your products are ****. I said one of your products is not that great.
A good company will take criticism on and work to make it better. A poor company will give replies like the above.
A good company will take criticism on and work to make it better. A poor company will give replies like the above.
11-27-09, 08:42 PM
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Why should i bother arguing with you? Your obviously very thick. If you read my post correctly i am not saying your products are ****. I said one of your products is not that great.
A good company will take criticism on and work to make it better. A poor company will give replies like the above.
A good company will take criticism on and work to make it better. A poor company will give replies like the above.
Coolingmist vari control unit is rubbish
I did not see a because. Criticism, typically (here in the US) has a specific reasoning behind it. You are in business to make money, we get it. What you should do instead of bashing our product is talk about what makes your system so much better.
Taking criticism is fine, I do it every day. When a "Competitor" (no matter how insignificant of one) offers "criticism" I think everyone can take it as a grain of salt and consider the source.
Since we dont manufacture the Vari-Cool anymore, maybe you can criticize our CMGS or VC2..or you can talk about what is so damn great about your kits.
Its ashame that the OP cant get any straight answers. Bashing other companies in an attempt to get a sale is bad business.
EDIT:
I accept that you dont like our older controller, no problem. I actually read your thread and you did not like the large ***** on the original vari-cool. That is the biggest complaint we had about that unit and on our new units we made the ***** very small and impossible to "accidently" adjust.
Good luck with your kit, Im sure it shows great promise.
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11-27-09, 09:33 PM
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Your a funny guy mate.
Their is so much i could write here that would not be good for you but i dont, cause as well as a competitor, i am also a customer. You forget that. I have my own car with Water injection it which has in it a cooling mist 150psi pump, a coolingmist 1150 cc jet etc. (The first time i purchased a 1150cc jet off you sent me a 300cc jet which followed quickly with a blown up engine, cause i trusted you would send me the right product, i didnt check it before i fitted it, i only found it was the wrong size by mistake while checking to see if it was blocked), did you see me come on here and bag you out? No i didnt. Could have been an honest mistake, nobody knows. Gave you the benefit of the doubt on that one.
I will say it again. we have two kits. One electric, one mechanical. I have tried both, they both deliver similar results.
My car makes 700+rwhp on pump fuel and its only a 13b. How many of your customers have achieved results like the above? Its funny you ask what so great about my kit, many components of the kit are actually COOLINGMIST components. So go right ahead and make fun of it if you wish. Or make fun of me for that matter, your only hurting yourself.
I just dont sell a WI kit, I sell knowledge, support, and experience with it.
If you have fixed your varicool unit then i applaud you. Our electronic unit now uses a high speed valve controlled by a pwm on ecu. So we dont use independent controllers, and for the people with ECU's that dont have pwm, we have a mechanical system for them.
If you dont want to buy a kit off me, it dosnt bother me, i offer all my advice on here in public and not via pm. So anybody can use that info and go do it themselves with a competitors kit. I even tell people flow rates to use, mixtures, timing, if you think that i should not, let me know ill happily keep it to myself.
Their is so much i could write here that would not be good for you but i dont, cause as well as a competitor, i am also a customer. You forget that. I have my own car with Water injection it which has in it a cooling mist 150psi pump, a coolingmist 1150 cc jet etc. (The first time i purchased a 1150cc jet off you sent me a 300cc jet which followed quickly with a blown up engine, cause i trusted you would send me the right product, i didnt check it before i fitted it, i only found it was the wrong size by mistake while checking to see if it was blocked), did you see me come on here and bag you out? No i didnt. Could have been an honest mistake, nobody knows. Gave you the benefit of the doubt on that one.
I will say it again. we have two kits. One electric, one mechanical. I have tried both, they both deliver similar results.
My car makes 700+rwhp on pump fuel and its only a 13b. How many of your customers have achieved results like the above? Its funny you ask what so great about my kit, many components of the kit are actually COOLINGMIST components. So go right ahead and make fun of it if you wish. Or make fun of me for that matter, your only hurting yourself.
I just dont sell a WI kit, I sell knowledge, support, and experience with it.
If you have fixed your varicool unit then i applaud you. Our electronic unit now uses a high speed valve controlled by a pwm on ecu. So we dont use independent controllers, and for the people with ECU's that dont have pwm, we have a mechanical system for them.
If you dont want to buy a kit off me, it dosnt bother me, i offer all my advice on here in public and not via pm. So anybody can use that info and go do it themselves with a competitors kit. I even tell people flow rates to use, mixtures, timing, if you think that i should not, let me know ill happily keep it to myself.
11-27-09, 09:55 PM
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Your a funny guy mate.
Their is so much i could write here that would not be good for you but i dont, cause as well as a competitor, i am also a customer. You forget that. I have my own car with Water injection it which has in it a cooling mist 150psi pump, a coolingmist 1150 cc jet etc. (The first time i purchased a 1150cc jet off you sent me a 300cc jet which followed quickly with a blown up engine, cause i trusted you would send me the right product, i didnt check it before i fitted it, i only found it was the wrong size by mistake while checking to see if it was blocked), did you see me come on here and bag you out? No i didnt. Could have been an honest mistake, nobody knows. Gave you the benefit of the doubt on that one.
I will say it again. we have two kits. One electric, one mechanical. I have tried both, they both deliver similar results.
My car makes 700+rwhp on pump fuel and its only a 13b. How many of your customers have achieved results like the above? Its funny you ask what so great about my kit, many components of the kit are actually COOLINGMIST components. So go right ahead and make fun of it if you wish. Or make fun of me for that matter, your only hurting yourself.
I just dont sell a WI kit, I sell knowledge, support, and experience with it.
If you have fixed your varicool unit then i applaud you. Our electronic unit now uses a high speed valve controlled by a pwm on ecu. So we dont use independent controllers, and for the people with ECU's that dont have pwm, we have a mechanical system for them.
If you dont want to buy a kit off me, it dosnt bother me, i offer all my advice on here in public and not via pm. So anybody can use that info and go do it themselves with a competitors kit. I even tell people flow rates to use, mixtures, timing, if you think that i should not, let me know ill happily keep it to myself.
Their is so much i could write here that would not be good for you but i dont, cause as well as a competitor, i am also a customer. You forget that. I have my own car with Water injection it which has in it a cooling mist 150psi pump, a coolingmist 1150 cc jet etc. (The first time i purchased a 1150cc jet off you sent me a 300cc jet which followed quickly with a blown up engine, cause i trusted you would send me the right product, i didnt check it before i fitted it, i only found it was the wrong size by mistake while checking to see if it was blocked), did you see me come on here and bag you out? No i didnt. Could have been an honest mistake, nobody knows. Gave you the benefit of the doubt on that one.
I will say it again. we have two kits. One electric, one mechanical. I have tried both, they both deliver similar results.
My car makes 700+rwhp on pump fuel and its only a 13b. How many of your customers have achieved results like the above? Its funny you ask what so great about my kit, many components of the kit are actually COOLINGMIST components. So go right ahead and make fun of it if you wish. Or make fun of me for that matter, your only hurting yourself.
I just dont sell a WI kit, I sell knowledge, support, and experience with it.
If you have fixed your varicool unit then i applaud you. Our electronic unit now uses a high speed valve controlled by a pwm on ecu. So we dont use independent controllers, and for the people with ECU's that dont have pwm, we have a mechanical system for them.
If you dont want to buy a kit off me, it dosnt bother me, i offer all my advice on here in public and not via pm. So anybody can use that info and go do it themselves with a competitors kit. I even tell people flow rates to use, mixtures, timing, if you think that i should not, let me know ill happily keep it to myself.
We dont sell "300 CC" injectors and while anyone can make a mistake we would not make such an obvious mistake. If we did, I would think you would bring it up to us. As a customer if something like that happened it would be terrible. As a manufacturer, if you cant tell the difference between a 300 CC and 1150 CC jet you should not be in business. I would love to look your order up. Maybe you would like to PM me your info so I can see what/when you ordered?
I was not making fun you of you. When I said that your kit shows promise I was serious. I dont make snyed remarks to get a rise out of you or anyone else.
About results? I dont know what to tell you. Yes we have over 500 HP RX-7s as well. I dont know of any 700 + HP Rx-7s runnign our kit, but then again I dont know any other 700 HP rx-7s running any kit...except maybe one from another company selling water injection kits. We have the worlds fastest 135I and 335 I on pump gas running our kit, so what? I had a 94 Rx7 for 10 years an Rx8 for 2 and I will first inline for the Rx-9.
When you called our old controller "rubbish" without any explanation, it seemed obvious as a ploy to bash us considering you gave no reason. Reading up on a previous thread I found you did not like the large *****.
ok, I get it. Once again, I was geniune when I said your kit shows promise and thought this little argument was over. I was not making fun of you. I dont think you want to continue bashing each other when a customer needs help, do you?
11-28-09, 12:31 AM
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Its so funny. So quick to deny everything. Again great show of good customer service. Keep digging your own whole.
If you really want to look up the order. I ordered a 18GPH nozzle and ended up having a M5 Nozzle.
I orderd a shut off solenoid, water pump and the jet. It was close to a year and half a ago now. Maybe more.
So maybe you should not be in business?
Here is my WI kit showing "promise"
Ive had enough contributing. Too many THICK people around here.
If you really want to look up the order. I ordered a 18GPH nozzle and ended up having a M5 Nozzle.
I orderd a shut off solenoid, water pump and the jet. It was close to a year and half a ago now. Maybe more.
So maybe you should not be in business?
Here is my WI kit showing "promise"
Ive had enough contributing. Too many THICK people around here.
11-28-09, 07:01 AM
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What is your problem? What am I denying? I asked you to PM me your info so I can look up what you ordered. I cant look your order up by part. All I know is your country, too many AUS orders. Give me your name or something so I can atleast see what you ordered. I cant deny something I am unaware of. I dont recall any email "Hey you sent me the wrong nozzle". As far as I know this is the first time I am hearing of this from a year and a half ago. I think most of us would have acted differently than you. The nozzle would say "M5" vs "M18" on the side. I am not the only person who works here, could it have happen? Anything is possible thats why you are supposed to check your parts when you get them. I am unaware of this and if it did happen we would have gladly exchanged it for you.
I said your kit shows promise, you keep taking offense to that. You are not a rational person.
What is your problem? What am I denying? I asked you to PM me your info so I can look up what you ordered. I cant look your order up by part. All I know is your country, too many AUS orders. Give me your name or something so I can atleast see what you ordered. I cant deny something I am unaware of. I dont recall any email "Hey you sent me the wrong nozzle". As far as I know this is the first time I am hearing of this from a year and a half ago. I think most of us would have acted differently than you. The nozzle would say "M5" vs "M18" on the side. I am not the only person who works here, could it have happen? Anything is possible thats why you are supposed to check your parts when you get them. I am unaware of this and if it did happen we would have gladly exchanged it for you.
I said your kit shows promise, you keep taking offense to that. You are not a rational person.
Its so funny. So quick to deny everything. Again great show of good customer service. Keep digging your own whole.
If you really want to look up the order. I ordered a 18GPH nozzle and ended up having a M5 Nozzle.
I orderd a shut off solenoid, water pump and the jet. It was close to a year and half a ago now. Maybe more.
So maybe you should not be in business?
Here is my WI kit showing "promise"
Ive had enough contributing. Too many THICK people around here.
If you really want to look up the order. I ordered a 18GPH nozzle and ended up having a M5 Nozzle.
I orderd a shut off solenoid, water pump and the jet. It was close to a year and half a ago now. Maybe more.
So maybe you should not be in business?
Here is my WI kit showing "promise"
Ive had enough contributing. Too many THICK people around here.
Last edited by David H; 11-28-09 at 07:06 AM.
11-30-09, 09:50 PM
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Guys - I understand your positions and thank you for your comments.
Please be civil.
I find that when you represent a product its better to focus on the positive attributes of your own product. Its a loosing battle trying to describe the perceived negative attributes of your competitors products.
Best regards.
Please be civil.
I find that when you represent a product its better to focus on the positive attributes of your own product. Its a loosing battle trying to describe the perceived negative attributes of your competitors products.
Best regards.
12-01-09, 11:23 AM
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I was in the exact same boat as you. I found that Coolingmist offered one of the best solutions in their trunk mount systems. Install and setup is simple and the tank should be big enough to last at least a 30 min session (I put it in at the end of this year so I haven't tracked it yet).
12-01-09, 01:46 PM
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I was in the exact same boat as you. I found that Coolingmist offered one of the best solutions in their trunk mount systems. Install and setup is simple and the tank should be big enough to last at least a 30 min session (I put it in at the end of this year so I haven't tracked it yet).
Which one did you get?
I'd prefer to just use the stock windshield washer tank if I can. Since I live in CA and the car is garaged, I never use the windshield wipers or washer fluid.
Plus I really don't feel like routing the lines. Getting lazy in my old age.
12-01-09, 02:45 PM
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For simplicity and reliability, you could consider looking up Dudemaan's kit here https://www.rx7club.com/auxiliary-injection-173/going-make-my-own-wi-kit-807016/, it is completely mechanical, and would be more than enough for your needs. There are lots of products out there, each has their positives and negatives, just go with the proven ones within your budget.
12-01-09, 05:32 PM
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Finally found a decent Aquamist dealer with a usable/informative web site:
http://www.howertonengineering.com/aquamist.htm
http://www.iaperformance.com/index.php?cPath=1462_1463
http://www.howertonengineering.com/aquamist.htm
http://www.iaperformance.com/index.php?cPath=1462_1463
12-02-09, 07:56 AM
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I used the basic trunkmount kit. 1.5 gal, 150psi pump, M5 injector. No vari-controller. I've just got it set to come on at 10psi. I didn't tune up for it. Very basic, which is exactly what I wanted. It's Simple and is reliable, which is what I was going for.
Running the lines wasn't that bad actually, I ran them thru the inspection plate for the fuel pump and then up to the front under the car right beside the fuel lines. For mounting, I found a bolt that I could use with the big empty threaded hole that's right by the rear spare. I mounted the tank straps to a steel plate, then bolted that plate to the car. That way I can take the tank/pump out pretty easily.
12-02-09, 08:52 AM
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"Guys - I understand your positions and thank you for your comments.
Please be civil.
I find that when you represent a product its better to focus on the positive attributes of your own product. Its a loosing battle trying to describe the perceived negative attributes of your competitors products.
Best regards." (gracer7-RX7)
i couldn't say it better but would like to second the above.
all AI vendors are welcome here and each has good product that has it's positive and negative aspects. Coolingmist has chosen to be a part of the rotary community for a long time and it's products, many innovative, have like everything else in life evolved. this summer i installed the CM tank/pump CMGS setup in a friend's car who just wants to spend some drama free time on Road America. 'works just fine.
RX72C has shared a great deal of his significant rotary know-how in many threads on the board... not just to sell product but just being helpful. i appreciate his presence on the board and look forward to seeing his systems used by fellow board members.
the rotary community is a small community but given the NECESSITY of some sort of AI on the turbo rotary there is plenty of biz for all.
so let's get back to talking about the systems that we, each, sell and leave the other comments out.
not too long ago it was Home Depot or nothing. today we have options. the key is to select the system that fits the need.
that's what this section is all about.
hc
Please be civil.
I find that when you represent a product its better to focus on the positive attributes of your own product. Its a loosing battle trying to describe the perceived negative attributes of your competitors products.
Best regards." (gracer7-RX7)
i couldn't say it better but would like to second the above.
all AI vendors are welcome here and each has good product that has it's positive and negative aspects. Coolingmist has chosen to be a part of the rotary community for a long time and it's products, many innovative, have like everything else in life evolved. this summer i installed the CM tank/pump CMGS setup in a friend's car who just wants to spend some drama free time on Road America. 'works just fine.
RX72C has shared a great deal of his significant rotary know-how in many threads on the board... not just to sell product but just being helpful. i appreciate his presence on the board and look forward to seeing his systems used by fellow board members.
the rotary community is a small community but given the NECESSITY of some sort of AI on the turbo rotary there is plenty of biz for all.
so let's get back to talking about the systems that we, each, sell and leave the other comments out.
not too long ago it was Home Depot or nothing. today we have options. the key is to select the system that fits the need.
that's what this section is all about.
hc
12-03-09, 03:05 PM
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gracer7-rx7:
I have a similar setup and goal: reliability on a road-course on a dual-purpose car.
I have the stock turbos in sequential with 4x850cc injectors and a PFC, and I'm using the front-windshield resevoir. Last dyno, was about 325 RWHP.
I went with the FJO setup only because programming is so EASY, and it always me to grow to either a BNR or a single-setup. It only has two safety's: no water-pressure, and boost-control.
The FJO is pricey, but I'm satisfied.
:-) neil
I have a similar setup and goal: reliability on a road-course on a dual-purpose car.
I have the stock turbos in sequential with 4x850cc injectors and a PFC, and I'm using the front-windshield resevoir. Last dyno, was about 325 RWHP.
I went with the FJO setup only because programming is so EASY, and it always me to grow to either a BNR or a single-setup. It only has two safety's: no water-pressure, and boost-control.
The FJO is pricey, but I'm satisfied.
:-) neil