When selling your series 6 do you think buyers are looking for stock cars

Mines a 92 Ozzy version

I've talked to a few mates and they reckon i have no chance of getting 38k for mine even if it was near mint with new paint and 38,000kms on the ODO

my car has a few aftermarket items

Factory Madza Side skirts 1200
RE- Amemiya mirrors 1100
Tein HA suspension 3800
Cat back 3" exhaust 600
RE- Amemiya I/C bend 100
Cross drilled Discs 1000
S/s brake lines 200
Madza speed rims 17" 3000
ARC air box 850
Mazda SP Bonnet 3800

But no Engine mods other then the Air box and 3" exhaust

should I remove all these parts and sell the car as a bog stocker for mid to low 30's and try catch up the difference with the parts off the car??

what the average series 6 going for these days.. i've noted most around 35k area

whats your thoughts?

 

mods are pretty much irrelevant, unfortunately - you can't stack the value. The only exception is for very heavily modified cars - which will have the potential for more $$$. However - it becomes harder to find a buyer. Furthermore, even with exponentially more $$$ outlayed on mods, you only can possibly recoup a fraction of the cost (just, a bigger fraction)

You may have better luck getting (somewhat) closer to that $$$ with a showroom stock car (@ those kms). A stock car tends to attract a wider range of buyers - older drivers (who don't care so much about modification, and want an 'unthrashed' car) and younger drivers (who want to do their own, individual modifications).

The average early s6 price, for a decent car, is (very roughly) $27k-$30k - not sure how many make that price (redbook lists them down to about the $25-26k mark - though with higher average kms).

my gut feeling is that if you wait a while (for the right buyer), you might get $32k. Kms are probably your ace card, if you have the logs to back it up. If you are really keen on a better price (and have the parts/can do the fitting/removal), you could try putting the original bonnet, ic arm, suspension, intake, and maybe even the original rims back on. It won't make much difference to the price and you could make a few $k on top of the car. = a pain in the ****, though.

bottom line: you won't get $38k. I'd personally be very surprised if you got $35k... you could hang out for the 'golden buyer' (they are out there), who will pay whatever price you put on it - but you are more likely to wait so long that the depreciation outstrips the gain.

either way, good luck.

 

What's the brand of your cross driller rotor?
Or is it just cross-drilled stock rotors?
I might be interested in getting it

Yans

 

yep, i reckon if you have the stock parts, change it back, and maybe try selling your parts elsewhere. like daioni said, mods do not increase the value of the car, unless they are very highly modified show style cars, and even then, you'd never recover the time and money that you put into modding it.

 

yeah thats all very true about the aftermarket stuff..

well i sold my Soarer on the weekend for 18k so all efforts will now be on getting the Rx7 on the road. might end up keeping it who knows.. i'll wait and see how much cop attention i get and make my mind up .. if its only worth 30k no point selling it. specially with all the time and effort that will need to go into it. maybe i can right it off against company tax some how :-) use it to show off our Retrim upholstory shop show how once its back online agian..


I talked to GAS motorsport a week or so ago and they said stock is best and easyer to sell the last series 6 they sold went for 36k so yeah minus there share of 10% on a consignment car.. so yeah.. low 30's


thanks boyz for the suggestions

-stuart

ps hope to have the car on the road in 5 weeks see you's out and about soon i hope.

 

Gas dealership are a bunch of shiesters mate.... Very dodgy. And never, ever trust anything a dealer says, especially them. I'm suprised they're not shut down yet

Honestly without sounding rude, I think you'd be lucky to get $25k stock or not. In australia that sort of resale is unreal when compared to overseas, you can pick up FD's for next to nothing - which is why you read on the main forum everyday about another school kid who has wrecked his

Face it, the car is 13yrs old, probably has a zillion kms, is the earliest produced series 6 and is likely to be 'tired'. What people advertise and what they sell for are a different story. Realistically you'd be looking at low 20's if your car is in average condition for its age. Generally speaking, a stock car will get more attention than a modded car, but it also depends on the type of car and potential market. Mod's usually don't stack up on top of the normal stock cost though. Imports also seem to sell for a bit more because they are usually in better condition and have lower k's, ie someone on here sold his mint 96 with 50k's and volk rims for high 30's. Another thing to consider is big insurance companies such as suncorp ark up with any mods to do with engine, exhaust or suspension. When I insured my bimmer, most insurance companies said if I altered the car beyond stock in any way which affects the engine performance, exhaust or suspension, they would not cover me.

 

We bought out Series 8 from GAS. Had no probs with them, and got it for a reasonable price. Its a very good genuine car as well. Not saying they're not dodgy, just there are some happy customers out there.

I also agree on the prices on Series 6's. They should be a lot cheaper than they are, but realistically, if people keep asking 35K odd for them, and some people are still paying that, then the prices will stay high. At the moment, its a sellers market.

If you can buy one for 25K then go for it. If you see a minta for 35K and the seller wont budge on the price, well its his/her choice. Eventually someone will pay the cash.....well that seems to be trend. Go on carsales.com, people still ask 38K for 92 models. Agreed, the car is not worth that much....but there is nothing you can do (apart from not buying it). The prices will fall when people stop paying these high prices. The FD is a highly regarded Japanese car in Australia. I was offered 34K for mine last weekend, i didn't take it as i have no savings for a Series 8 yet, but in 6 months i might.

PS Mavrik, hows the BMW going?

 

Well a series 6 is still a fantastic car. Whichever way you look at it. The main thing with this car is the design. Its design has not aged! It still looks even better than the new stuff that is coming out from the manufacturers.

That is the key selling point of the Series 6 onwards, its design and the ability to go fast. I think the price of 35K is reasonable for a car like this! How many cars can you turn heads with...very rare...people don't even look twice at porsches or new evos etc...I mean the lame people that don't know much about cars. I know when i drive my series 6 through the city or whereever...it is bound to turn heads...no doubt.

So the car has alot of things going for it which in turn reflects the price. Also another major consideration is that it is RARE! Unlike GTRS, WRXS etc...there are so few series 6 onwards getting around. And people want to be different...to have a fast car but not same car with another guy that he meets on the road every 5 mins.

So in all a series 6 has

1. Design
2. Rare
3. Speed

What else can you say eh!

 

Ive got a Montego Blue 1995 series 6. The only mod i have done is the exhaust, because the factory on rusted out. Ive also got 18 inch RX8 alloy wheels on it, but still have the standard 16 inch wheels. Its done only 72,000 km and i am the second owner.

Ive been pulled up on the street by people offering me up $42000 for it. They all said they would only buy a standard RX7. Not modified.

The good thing about this is that i am not selling it because it is my pride & joy, but i know other people love the car also.

Cheers.

 

it's inevitable that s8s will become so cheap that the australian prices will have to plummet.

There are still the misguided masses who chase after the 'aussie delivered' myth - well... they can have 'em at any price - I'd take an s8 over a 6 in a heartbeat if it was cheaper - I think most sane people would too.

 

Yeah the only thing that can bring down the prices of the Series 6 is that

1. More imports come into Australia.
2. Series 8' become cheaper and come to Australia.
3. Other car makes that have new cars models become cheaper like the RX8, 350Z, Evo, WRX STI etc.

Meaning like if you can have a second hand Rx8 for 40K why would you bother with a series 6?

I too prefer a series 8 after being in my friends one but as for asking price of 65K that he wants for it...

 

well you can definitely pick up a worthwhile s8 for A$25k now - so it won't be long before everything falls into place

 

... that's, of course, the sticker price - but after factoring in shipping, gst, import duty, compliance, and mark-up - still nowhere near $65k

 

As a rough guide..

$25,000 car in japan
$ 2,000 ship car to aust?
$ 8,000 compliance.
$ 5,000 misc

so about 40K is reasonable?

Who does Series 8 compliancing now?

 

compliance - on these forums, DRMH does it - www.dmrh.com.au

transport and agent fees in japan will be at least $1.5k
you'd be looking at a touch over $5k in taxes
they might be able to get it cheaper, but customs and associated fees will be around $1k
SEVS compliance - so who knows? last time I heard it was about $8k (hopefully cheaper now)

it would be a very rough estimate - but that's about $40k before you put a profit margin on it (excluding any profit made on compliance...). I'd say $45k would be a reasonable ballpark figure to expect. For a car pre-owned in oz - $40k is certainly reasonable.

Kinda takes the gloss off a $38k 92 car, doesn't it? :p

 

...though, you could _easily_ add $15k, even $20k to that total - by buying a primo 02 'dream' FD

 

Yeah, im saving for a S8 atm too, while enjoying my S6 nonetheless. I would take a S8 over an SP too. Trouble is, the S6 is still a fine car....if i want a S8 i really want a good one. Either an RZ or a Spirit R type A or B, and they are still worth decent money. Driving my parents S8 is great, i love it, but when i have a perfectly good S6 in a garage, saving 10K just to swap over is harder. Apart from going a bit harder, the driving experience/looks etc are very similar.

MMM, see what happens.

Daioni, if you are still in Japan, would it be cheaper for you to upgrade to a S8 (say an RS) than in Australia?

Oh yeah, Gas have a white S8 Bathurst R comming in. MMM, carbon dash is nice, pity about the 16" rims.

 

"Daioni, if you are still in Japan, would it be cheaper for you to upgrade to a S8 (say an RS) than in Australia?"

what do you mean? basic sticker price? My car was 1mill - and good ones are still around that price. I'd need 2.5mill to get a worthwhile s8. And, I also wouldn't be happy with anything other than a really nice example, and an 01 or 02 - so I'd need 3mill + in my pocket before I went shopping. That said, if I had 2.5, I'd run straight out and buy an evo 7.


"Oh yeah, Gas have a white S8 Bathurst R comming in. MMM, carbon dash is nice, pity about the 16" rims."

Bathurst R is a base model - it's a strange concept - they de-option the car, then add strange options (red seats, cf, things like that)

 

They dont have Red seats, they have standard (2001 spec) S8 seats. What they do get is the CF, Mazdaspeed shifters, 16", 280hp(thank god!) and adjustable suspension. Of course, im sure you could order red seats with it.

Thanks mate, yes i was just interested what the differeent values where in Japan. I'll need 20K to do a worthwhile upgrade (spirit R).

 

the seats - nah, I was referring to the bathurst runs in general, and the little (kind of odd) things they did. I think the red seats were due to the fact that some were based on the type X platform, whereas the R versions (and the original bathurst) were different.

The last one is a goodie - only slightly specced-down from the type-r (price diff was only 150,000yen less - I'd say the rims would be a big factor there). Also, like the R, as the 4.1 final drive - as opposed to the 4.3 seen on the other 280ps cars.

 

ahh, cool. Yeah, earlier they have bathurst X models, and that lovely RS-R Yellow with black wheels. Actually that model has mazdaspeed guages if i remember correct ?

MMM, interesting. So our S8 type R (base model 280hp) has the 4.1 diff (same as most other FD's). But RS/RZ/spiritR etc gets the 4.3? (Talking about the series 8 here, or Model 5/6 in correct terminoligy!)

Watching another Best Motoring Series 8 special. They got a 13.4 quarter out of a type R, with it's skinny little 16's! Aparently it has the Best power/weight ratio though. Its at least as quick as a R34 GTR after 1st gear.

 

yeah, the rs-r was actually a fair bit dearer than the equivalent bathurst of that era (which had the rather long-winded title 'type rb bathurst x'. I'm not sure if the gauges were mazdaspeed or not, but they were definitely part of the special package - the writing on them says 'RE 30th Anniversary'. They had the chrome rings which had been dropped after type I (cost-cutting).

16s would be the very first thing to go if I got one of these

As for the weight, I actually started writing about that in my last post - but I thought I should check the facts first - it does have the best power/weight of the VI's (280/1260) - but shares that title with the type-R. The lightest of the era was the RB, but it only has 265ps (1240). Anyhow - I wonder if the 10/20kg difference compensates for the lack of 4.3 (though the acceleration difference with the 4.3 is only going to be very, very minimal over 400m)?

 

Seems to, or according to Best Motoring. 17"wheel, 4.3 cars still run between 13.4-13.5 quarters. The smaller (and lighter) 16" wheel cars get off the line just as well, and through the gears the same. Would the 16's slightly shorten the ratio's anyway?

Around the track its a different matter though, as the extra grip from the 235/255 tyres and superior bilstien shocks means RS model and onwards is slightly quicker. The 16" models oversteer a lot more with 280HP blasting through them!!

I really like the RB-S models actually. They're cheaper, have all the Series 8 improvements, look identical and with 265PS still go just as well as the previous models. Couple this with all the cooling and reliability issues sorted out and even lighter weight, they are still superior to Series 6/7's. Ive been in a stock one, and by the seat of the pants couldn't tell the differnece between it and a 280ps one. Went very hard, with superior bottom end response to the older models. (though apparently uses the same turbo's as previous models, unlike the 280PS ones).

I've seen many RB's for sale over here, some quite cheap. However, sometimes you see these for sale alongside 280ps models, at the same price, as the seller is unaware there is the spec difference. "Its a series 8, so it has to have 280PS" is normally the way. Anyway, it is hard to tell the difference between an RB-S and the Type - R. Under the bonnet or externally (boost guage markings are the same too). Lack of front strut brace and only 1 oil cooler is normally a good sign. Again, not that an RB is a bad car.

 

Hurry up and buy one Jimbo. then i'll be the only Series 6 in town woo hoo

BTW not long now till mine is on the road

looking like 3 weeks now till the car is driving and running. then another 2 weeks for the new paint job woo hoo

 

and talking of a fair price for a 92 series 6 in great condition my FD is FINALLY through the headf$#K that getting an import into australia and on the road is becoming

$27,500. for everything including extras. long queensland rego, on the gold coast

can be found on carsales.com.au and carsguide.com.au as a private sale, (only FD that price at the moment from what i could see), or PM me to get contact details

eric e

priced down as wife will only let me get another toy car from the proceeds of this one