came across this site

http://water4gas.com/2books.htm?hop=...FReDIgodfGumYA

basicly a kit and instructions on how to make your car run on both water (HHO gas created from water) and regular gasoline. Also there are sites that claim you can do a complete conversion to run on water only. I did some seaching and found some people praising the system and others saying it's not passable and a total scam. I've been toying with the idea of buying a cheep N/A FC and trying out the system on that. I've always wanted an FC as a daily driver but didn't like the gas mileage. Has anyone tried this or seen one working first hand on any car? There are some U-tube videos but anything is possable on there. I can't seem to find any evidence either way as to weather or not this is just a scam.

 

Scam!!!

 

mythbusters did this.... myth busted.

"works" on the idea of electrolysis seperating H and O from water. But youd never produce it fast enough to match the consumption of the engine.

 

Actually if you read it, technically it can't be a scam. The reason I say this is because he is advertising a book and that's what he's selling. Technically speaking of course.

In his book he tells you ways to improve your mileage through better habits and maintenance. This isn't secret information though. He does show you how to make a device that does in fact turn H2O into HHO. The key to this is that you need to understand that it is not intended to be used solely to run your vehicle on. He also explains that there just isn't enough power available to convert water fast enough for you to use it solely as a fuel. What is in his book does work on a small scale. He uses it as a sort of auxiliary injection. It does something. It just doesn't do much. He is trying to help people get SOME improvement. He's not trying to create perpetual motion or get you completely away from gasoline and powered solely by water. That's not going to happen. He also spends alot of time explaining what HHO is, the advantages and disadvantages of ever trying to use it as a fuel, and educates in ways to make it on a small scale. Think of this more as a textbook with experiments that gives you potential ideas on hot to apply this knowledge on a small scale to your car to get a small improvement in your mileage.

The problem is that people buy this thinking that it's a kit that will allow them to run their car solely on water. Even Mythbusters didn't tackle this one correctly as they thought the intent was to run only on water. They should revisit this one. All he is selling you is a book that has factual information. From this standpoint it isn't a scam. It appears to be one if you don't actually take the time to see what he is offering which usually leads one to believe they are getting something they are not. Take the time to actually read what he is offering. It's not a kit and he doesn't claim to do the seemingly impossible.

 

Wasn't that the one on mithbusters with the carb hat that completly blocked all intake air into the engine?

 

Hmmmm I may check this out. I've been looking for a way to wet my feet wet in this hydrogen thing. Who knows, myself or someone else may get lucky (through experimenting) and find a way to produce the HHO to the super high levels that Stan Myer did back in the late 80's before his passing/murder.

 

Stan Myer really had somthing there, the trick to his device was a converter that ran the curent to the water in a special way from what i have seen in the Utube video.

 

They didn't block the airflow. They just cut all fuel to the carb so that only the HHO was feeding it. This will never work. It needs to supplement, not replace.

 

There is this little problem physics / chemistery put in the way of H-H-O electrolysis as fuel. It takes more energy to break the bonds that hold water H20 together than can be combusted once the liquid becomes gasses. I'm not going to say it never has or never will happen just that with current methods of electrolosis it won't work. Look at all the videos on youtube, most I've seen is 2L/min at something like 180W. I did meet a guy that bought instructions online and build an HHO generator that fed into the air box. He said he clocked 2-3mpg better on the expressway but hadn't tested it out enough to swear by it. If it aids in a more complete burn it's possible that gains can be had but not by virtue of the HHO substituting fuel. I've read of many people who lost mpg when they kept building bigger and bigger HHO generators. This backs up the theory that its a net loss in power to use the alternator power to extract fuel from water but some possible gains as a catalyst to a more complete burn.
That being said if anyone wants to strap a giant electrolysis station to a nuke plant and refill a N2O cylinder for me I'd be all for it HHO is already at stoich so you probably wouldn't even need a full wet kit to run it reliably, just a thought.

 

Your not researching the right videos then. You need to go a look at that Stan Myer video on you tube. He was able to over come the hi energy issue. He figured something out that no ones else since has figured out. That reason is probably why he is no longer with us. Did you not see his water powered buggy?

 

Yep watched the video but a video of a buggy doesn't prove anything, spent a few hours poking around for any decent tech papers but all I found were a great attempt at blurring science with conspiracy and no solid explanation how he violated the laws of physics. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to discredit Myer, I can't disprove what he did either. I just want proof or some sort of explanation that doesn't require some the suggestion of theorized quantum physics instead of facts. None of the conspiracy theorists nut jobs or scammers dissuade my interest in the topic. If anything it adds a little sci-fi entertainment to the fun.
Like I said I met a fire fighter that just picked up plans online and built his out of pvc pipe and saw some preliminary gains. That's enough to get me to try it. Myself and a couple friends plan on doing our own experimenting just to see for ourselves. I have a machine shop a wide band and a daily driver I keep pretty good track of mileage on. One of the guys has kept meticulous track of mileage on every tank of gas hes put in his truck. If I get realistic tested results I'll be swingin from the chandelier telling everyone here but until then I'm a naturally skeptical.

 

Well I'm more of an open minded person. I'm going to buy the info to make a couple for myself. Experimenting is something I really love to do.

 

I'm very interested in this. I've seen some videos about cycling the current used for electrolysis causing a more violent and productive reaction. I'm not sure how much stock i can put in the whole conspiracy bit though.

I've very interested in hydrogen combustion though.

 

wow~~~~

 

Hi there,

I think this information may help you out

Have you ever heard of HHO fuel that has got to be the best way to save on gas prices.?
? Imagine the savings. It will cost you about $160, or two tanks of gas to install an HHO

conversion kit

Hydrogen Car Kit - Save Money and Improve MPG Massively
Hydrogen car kit empowers your car to run on water and avoid oil as fuel. A vehicle however
will not be able to run on water alone. There needs to be a mixture of gasoline and water to
enable it to run smoothly.

Even the Water Fuel Conversion Kits - How Using Water As Fuel Helps Cut Your Gas Consumption

Recently,there is increased awareness among many drivers of a technology that uses plain

water tosupplement the cars' gasoline consumption. Called a water fuel conversion kit, it is

a simpleadd-on to your current car engine that uses your car battery to carry out an

electrolysis on water to produce Hydroxy gas (HHO). This Hydroxy gas is used to supplement

the burning ofgasoline in the car's engine.


Hydrogen generator kit for car can be better than gasoline or oil additives to raise gas
mileage. When you make or do it on your own, you can save money on gas but will save lots
of dollars on the kit and reproduce the system for other automobiles on your own.

saving money should be what everyonr thinks off and I have done this by using all ideas from
my free Ebook - http://www.waterfuelkit.net

I purchased the available eBooks that teach you how to run your car on water and installed

one on my "chevy 350 small block," it's pretty easy.

 

^First post, linking to a website, and the post reads like an infomercial. SPAM!

 

Stan Meyer was a hack.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer

I would bet my car that the HHO generator system mentioned by the OP would actually cause a small decrease in fuel milage or at best, no change at all. The energy input will far exceed the energy provided by burning the hydrogen-oxygen gas mixture. Hydrogen has a low octane rating as well, even worse when it is not seperated from the oxygen.

Producing it at home and then burning it in your car might actually work, but again it would be very dangerous to store the hydrogen-oxygen mixture.

 

Pretty much all of this stuff is based on the premise that 2+2=317.

If you put 2+2 into your calculator and it doesn't say 317, this product may not work on your planet.

And as far as hydrogen goes, I always marvel that efficiency freaks keep coming up with less and less efficient ways to move things. It's a boggle, it is.

 

^ It doesn't? Damn. My math is all wrong!

 

its pretty cool, i'm planning on trying it sometime down the road

its not a 100% hydrogen solution, what it does it supplement fuel by helping the gasoline burn more completely (you can use less gas by adjusting the computer) essentially increasing mpg (think of it similar to running water squirters in a turbo setup at high PSI and how that prevents detonation) supposedly gains are as good as 30%+, the gas is not 100% hydrogen because there would be a severe power loss, and everyone is right you won't get enough energy to make more hydrogen through electrolysis because of losses

what is done here is the electricity that is generated is run through the water, weakens H2O into HHO (just a weaker bond but still liquid and gas) that enables you to burn the mixture. Back in the 90s they found you can use HHO thats broken down this way to burn and cut through metal and other stuff... they've put a lot of these videos on youtube, there were news articles and stuff as well and somehow everyone forgot about it...

btw i don't know if anyone here has read some of the articles when the rx-8 first came out, but the renesis can run hydrogen as is... max HP is a little over 100 though lol... but its capable and ready if it still needed to burn something so there are solutions

 

Water4Gas is absolute horse ****. It's nothing but a scam, operated by a known criminal.

http://www.aaroncake.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7606

 

That was a dual fuel version, not just a run-of-the-mill renesis.....a lot of differences between the two.

 

Almost any internal combustion engine can run on almost any flammable fuel. How well is another question.

The energy density of hydrogen is so low that most engines make 1/2 or 1/4 the power on H that they would on gasoline. And since it's hard to store much hydrogen on board, range is poor as well.

Hydrogen is FAIL.

 

Well thats not true at all!!
For many years I played with water powered cars and to say hydrogen has a low energy density is very wrong it just like those ******* that say rotaries don't have torque!! It all depends on density, water contains 2 hydrogen atoms for each O atom. If you actually get down and do some of these experiments and actually measure things you will find some very interesting facts. First you never run a car on pure H2 because it makes as much pollution as some gas powered cars. You always use injected water with the process just like water injection we use now in our high boost rotors. As for the low power splitting of water it can be done and it is fact. Actually it concerns me that people in particular fellow electrical engineers write this stuff off without actually trying it. It is very annoying indeed. There are people out there ripping people off, but there are others that drive their water powered cars every day and don't ask for a cent from anyone. Weather you believe it or not doesn't really matter because it has been done and eventually the when the dust settles their are going to be some red faces. We may even have to wait for the opposition to die off, but it is coming.

I don't see water powered cars as a future because I suspect electric cars will be the answer. Now this is from a die hard rotary owner that loves his petrol powered machine!!! Storing pure hydrogen is a explosion just waiting to happen even in Hitech Metal Hydride tanks.

Just look at the Japanese water powered cars all use they use a form of lead based cold fusion and just water. You place water in the reaction chamber and as it splits it generates electricity and releases Hydrogen and Oxygen. This is the future for cars. I personally would use the split H2 and O to run my rotary engine and just use the cell to run the electrics..no alternator!!! But I am a petrol head.
Cheers
Michael Smith

 

First of all this is no such thing as a "water powered car". Water is not a power source. And unless you are doing a matter to energy conversion, it never will be. Water can be broken down into hydrogen and oxygen which makes a decent fuel, but it requires energy to do this. Basic fundamental science.

There are times when this is not true. I'll let you figure out when.

You can never run a car on pure hydrogen because it needs something to react with. Whether you burn it with air, or combine it with oxygen in a fuel cell using a catalyst, it needs something else to react with. Gasoline is useless on it's own. It must be combined with air (oxygen, nitrogen, and a bunch of other random stuff) to liberate energy.

Water injection is used to cool the combustion process.

Well duh. Any 3rd grade science student has performed electrolosys and burned the hydrogen produced. The problem is that electrolosys is very inefficient and without a major power input, very little gas is produced.

No one in the world is driving a water powered car, because such a thing flat out doesn't exist.

Belief is irreverent. Reality is the only belief worth having.

Bingo.

Pure hydrogen is not explosive at all. It's only explosive when it is near an oxidizer. Again, basic fundamental science.

I'm sorry, what? Cold fusion is not yet possible.

Yes...but it is not powered by water. The "reaction chamber" contains something that reacts with the water and splits into hydrogen and oxygen. Both the water and reactant are consumed during this reaction. Byproducts are produced besides hydrogen and oxygen. This is hardly new science but again, it is NOT powered by water. It is powered by hydrogen, generated in this reaction. I forget exactly what they are using to react but generally several types of metal hydrides are used.

Here's a link to a topic on my forum which explains why all this stuff is pure horse ****:
http://www.aaroncake.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7606