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Everything sounded great except the following quote on page 9:
"For evaluation at target torque it was observed that
ethanol exhibited a higher tendency for pre-ignition than
gasoline. To address this for evaluation at higher load
some detailing of the combustion chamber was
undertaken. Whilst ethanol exhibits a nominally higher
auto-ignition temperature than gasoline, it is suggested
that differences in fuel preparation and flammability in
conjunction with chamber surface temperatures
contribute to this phenomenon."
Barry
"For evaluation at target torque it was observed that
ethanol exhibited a higher tendency for pre-ignition than
gasoline. To address this for evaluation at higher load
some detailing of the combustion chamber was
undertaken. Whilst ethanol exhibits a nominally higher
auto-ignition temperature than gasoline, it is suggested
that differences in fuel preparation and flammability in
conjunction with chamber surface temperatures
contribute to this phenomenon."
Barry
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"ethanol exhibits a nominally higher
auto-ignition temperature than gasoline"
i hear this comment from time to time and do not currently understand how it squares w commonly published autoignition temps commonly published.
for instance:
auto ignition temp:
gasoline... 495 F
ethanol... 793
methanol... 867
source... American Petroleum Institute "Alcohols: A technical Assessmant of their Application as Motor Fuels." API Publication No 4261, July 1976
hc
auto-ignition temperature than gasoline"
i hear this comment from time to time and do not currently understand how it squares w commonly published autoignition temps commonly published.
for instance:
auto ignition temp:
gasoline... 495 F
ethanol... 793
methanol... 867
source... American Petroleum Institute "Alcohols: A technical Assessmant of their Application as Motor Fuels." API Publication No 4261, July 1976
hc
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Howard, reread the quote, they agreed with your, ""ethanol exhibits a nominally higher
auto-ignition temperature than gasoline".
The problem statement is ""For evaluation at target torque it was observed that
ethanol exhibited a higher tendency for pre-ignition than
gasoline.
Barry
auto-ignition temperature than gasoline".
The problem statement is ""For evaluation at target torque it was observed that
ethanol exhibited a higher tendency for pre-ignition than
gasoline.
Barry
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From: Florence, Alabama
nominally can mean two things.... literally "in name" o k it is different. so that works.
to me generally nominally means slightly different... which is not 60%.
that said, my interest here is understanding how one substance can have a 60% higher autoignition temperature and a higher tendency to pre-ignite.
not saying it does or doesn't.... i just want to understand.
hc
to me generally nominally means slightly different... which is not 60%.
that said, my interest here is understanding how one substance can have a 60% higher autoignition temperature and a higher tendency to pre-ignite.
not saying it does or doesn't.... i just want to understand.
hc
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that is interesting. there must be another factor at play besides temprature, pressure perhaps? i don't know either, but its not the first time ive read that.
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The second part of the quote is disturbing also:
"For evaluation at target torque it was observed that
ethanol exhibited a higher tendency for pre-ignition than
gasoline. To address this for evaluation at higher load
some detailing of the combustion chamber was
undertaken. Whilst ethanol exhibits a nominally higher
auto-ignition temperature than gasoline, it is suggested
that differences in fuel preparation and flammability in
conjunction with chamber surface temperatures
contribute to this phenomenon."
Barry
"For evaluation at target torque it was observed that
ethanol exhibited a higher tendency for pre-ignition than
gasoline. To address this for evaluation at higher load
some detailing of the combustion chamber was
undertaken. Whilst ethanol exhibits a nominally higher
auto-ignition temperature than gasoline, it is suggested
that differences in fuel preparation and flammability in
conjunction with chamber surface temperatures
contribute to this phenomenon."
Barry
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