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Old 06-08-13, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by vrx8
I've used VP M2 premix burns clean and doesn't separate but is expensive $11 dollars for 16oz.

Now I changed to Benol it also mixes with gasoline.

Running 2oz a gallon.


After doing some research thats what I'll be using, thanks.
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I think I'll go with the Link ecu. Don't know yet, I know its not necessarily about the ecu, but finding a tuner.
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Originally Posted by FC3S1991
After doing some research thats what I'll be using, thanks.

are there e85 locations in WPB
Old 06-08-13, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by darkphantom
synthetic is the best for premix.... I use Amsoil but its pretty expensive




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Do not use this oil for premix!
Use Klotz Benol (castor oil). There is a thread on this somewhere, where tests were done and Klotz is the ONLY way to go when using E85.
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I posted this is my other thread about injector sizing requirement, but I figure I would post it here as well.

Another CON for e85 is its stickiness and that leads to clinging onto trash. My buddy just pulled his pumps on his GTR because his pumps weren't turning on. He found the pumps had overdrawn due to clogged filters/socks. The wires actually got hot enough and melted the surrounding padding around the wiring and toasted the wires(there was a fuse issue as well and why they overdrew, but the fuse would have blown due to the filters being clogged and the pumps continuously trying to pump fuel).. E85 is very sticky and clings to trash/debris far more than gasoline, see pic below, this is only with 2000 miles on the system running e85... I know the positives are huge running e85, but this is a pretty big negative IMO. I would advise anyone who's running e85 to check and probably replace your filters often/yearly depending on how often you drive the car.

Just my 2 cents, I'm no pro, just a garage monkey...

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Old 06-09-13, 12:12 PM
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It is not that E85 is sticky, it isn't. Ethanol (and E85) is a wonderful cleaning agent and very astringent. That is also why certain materials need to be avoided when using E85.

Because of the increased flow requirements due to the lower energy density of the fuel, everything from the filter socks to the injectors needs to be upsized accordingly.
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In comparison to gasoline it is sticky/tacky, which means dirt/trash/debris clings to it easier...to "me" that means more opportunity for debris to contaminate the fuel from time it's made to time it makes it to your pump/tank compared to gasoline. On top of that, any debris that is in your tank tends to settle with gasoline, with e85 that debris will cling to it more often than settle and find its way to the filter/sock and eventually clog it. Which is why anyone running e85 daily or often should check and/or replace their filters/socks.

Trust me, I'm all for e85. This is just a con that no one usually wants to talk about or know about it seems.

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Also, there is plenty of write ups and debates on valves gumming and injectors gumming up over time with e85. Common practice is run pump gas every now then to help alleviate or off set things from gumming up.
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Originally Posted by darkphantom
are there e85 locations in WPB


Yeah, I brew my own in my backyard.
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Originally Posted by RXTASY57
Do not use this oil for premix!
Use Klotz Benol (castor oil). There is a thread on this somewhere, where tests were done and Klotz is the ONLY way to go when using E85.
you got the link?

Originally Posted by FC3S1991
Yeah, I brew my own in my backyard.
then you should be brewing E98
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Originally Posted by darkphantom
you got the link?
Pretty easy to find. It's just a few topics down from this one!
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