Adaptronic PnP with innovate plugged in
04-13-17, 07:25 PM
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PnP with innovate plugged in
Has there been any firmware update or work around for this.? Basically the first start, when the wideband is on htr, the car runs pretty bad until it displays the actual afr, then it runs normal. I heard the only work around was the newest adaptronic or unplugging the serial in for the wideband.
04-13-17, 08:29 PM
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Has there been any firmware update or work around for this.? Basically the first start, when the wideband is on htr, the car runs pretty bad until it displays the actual afr, then it runs normal. I heard the only work around was the newest adaptronic or unplugging the serial in for the wideband.
I would guess that the WB is is sending out a full lean signal, and your ECU has AFR compensation turned on. Its probably dumping in all kinds of fuel until the sensor gets a reading.
This is just a guess. I know nothing about Adaptronic.
04-15-17, 07:48 AM
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Sounds like a temperature correction issues as well. I can start my car fine both in closed loop and open loop without waiting for the wide band. You can tell the ecu to start in closed loop after a certain coolant temp set point has been reached.
There is nothing wrong with your innovative or adaptronic hardware I would say.
There is nothing wrong with your innovative or adaptronic hardware I would say.
04-21-17, 01:45 PM
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Yea, if there is a way to have it stay connected while cranking that would be great, haven't really tried looking for a wire like that yet though. Also found my serial connector that goes from gauge to ecu was severed so might have been causing some issues. Have a new one ordered already.
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04-22-17, 06:28 PM
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I have tried letting the sensor warm up first before I crank but the car pulls the power from it once I start cranking so I have to wait for the sensor to warm up/initialize again and the car runs rough till the wideband kicks in. Kinda lame
04-24-17, 02:23 AM
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Sounds like a temperature correction issues as well. I can start my car fine both in closed loop and open loop without waiting for the wide band. You can tell the ecu to start in closed loop after a certain coolant temp set point has been reached.
There is nothing wrong with your innovative or adaptronic hardware I would say.
There is nothing wrong with your innovative or adaptronic hardware I would say.
It is actually in the Innovate's manual to not "pre-warm" your sensor. http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/s...C-1_Manual.pdf
Page 5, or search "warm"
You need to tweak your cranking map and your temp correction or post start enrichment.
Looking at my old logs, my sensor shows AFR when the motor tries to catch, and within seconds of startup/catch.
04-26-17, 07:00 AM
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So here is the part that would through that explanation out the door. You say that the wideband does nothing for the engine and it is the crank or temp maps, but I have a turbo timer that keeps the engine on for another 20-30 seconds. At this time the wideband would not be on, and clearly can see the engine rev up and go a bit crazy from the ecu trying to adjust to an error reading. Maybe I'll try and wire it to the turbo timer harness..
04-26-17, 02:54 PM
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WB02 can affect engine on startup.
Post start enrichment map adds fuel to base map.
WB02 Correction or AFR correction adds or subtracts fuel to compensate for target AFR.
If your WB doesnt affect your idle it could be because you dont have O2 correction activated.
Post start enrichment map adds fuel to base map.
WB02 Correction or AFR correction adds or subtracts fuel to compensate for target AFR.
If your WB doesnt affect your idle it could be because you dont have O2 correction activated.
04-26-17, 03:17 PM
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So here is the part that would through that explanation out the door. You say that the wideband does nothing for the engine and it is the crank or temp maps, but I have a turbo timer that keeps the engine on for another 20-30 seconds. At this time the wideband would not be on, and clearly can see the engine rev up and go a bit crazy from the ecu trying to adjust to an error reading. Maybe I'll try and wire it to the turbo timer harness..
If wired correctly, a turbo timer would keep everything on. Why would your wideband turn off?
If your wideband is wired to a different 12V source and 12vIgnition then sure it could be off.
Now think about it this way, if your wideband was faulty, what would it do? Go into open loop. Which would look at all your adjustment maps, your water temp correction, air temp correction etc.
Referencing your original post, you said the only way to solve it was to remove the serial, which would mean no wideband, same thing, all the corrections maps are going to be searched.
I would say put your car in open loop, and fix your correction maps to get close to the correct AFR. Back when Widebands AFRs were relatively expensive, you would tune everything to match the target AFR, there was no closed loop tuning. Closed loop is a safety precaution, but the basics still need to be setup.
I come from using a microtech without closeloop, but had a wideband for "display" and dyno purpose.