SPOautos

If I told you I could make a liquid / air IC that....

1. Under daily driving conditions at its worst would have the air temps of a very good FMIC or Vmount (but probably better).
2. Would NOT heat soak
3. Does NOT block air flow to the radiator so the coolant would be like a SMIC
4. At the track or really anytime you choose just add $1 of ice and get SUPER cold temps.
6. Has pressure drop of only .15 at 700CFM and would be efficient up to about 600+rwhp or maybe a little more
5. Would look REALLY bad *** with a very uncluttered nice looking design thats unlike anything you've ever seen
6. Would fit with a stock or aftermarket radiator, the stock battery box, and probably any intake out there including box type.
7. Would install much easier than any other high HP IC being sold

HOWEVER, it would retail around $2000 to make it worth while for production due to all the components of a L/A IC and some other nice (and expensive) features that make this one so nice....like it not heatsoaking.

At this time I cant really say much more about it and its not even close to ready to sell. I'm just testing the water to see if this product was available is there any market for it.

How many people would actually cough up the money for it?

Thanks,
STEPHEN

BoOsTin FD

Not me. Sorry

rzograbian

me niether

clayne

Add 8. That would NOT take away from the ability or efficiency of the oil heat-exchangers.

Is that possible to include?

93BlackFD

liquid to air = for superchargers IMO

it provides linear and predictable cooling capabilities for limited fuel compensation devices

that's why stillen uses them on their bolt on supercharger kits, so their fuel compensation system doesn't run lean with external weather conditions

tookwik

I would buy it if I put my car through more heat-stress than I do. Like racing it... which i dont do.

SPOautos

Good question, it wouldnt have to. There are 2 ways to do it. I only run one oil cooler anyway and if I decide to do anything to my oil system I'm just going to get one big *** oil cooler to replace my stocker (which from what I've seen/heard works VERY well. However, if someone wanted to run 2 oil coolers (or they have a R1) they could mount the heat exchanger infront of the radiator. REMEMBER though that it would only be 1" thick (versus a 3" thick FMIC) and is actually designed to be in front of a radiator so it really shouldnt affect your coolant temps. As a matter of fact the heat exchanger would probably work better there anyway since the coolant fans would suck air thru it.

STEPHEN

SPOautos

No its not. They use a l/a cause its so close to the manifold that about the only setup they could use.

In addition those really arent any reasons to base a decision on. The reason you use water to pull heat out of the IC is cause it can absorb 4x the heat as compared to air before it starts to move in temperature......which is why water works so much better

STEPHEN

clayne

This is exactly what I suspected SPO,

That it would be making use of the oil cooler space to perform heat-exchange functions for the water to air (end of cycle).

Oil cooling is VERY important on rotaries.

volley1

Just a note, isn't the M2 large intercooler like 1500 bucks? 2000 isn't too much more.

SPOautos

Did you read all of that paragraph you quoted??? It doesnt have to go there....eventhough that is where I'm going to set it up on mine but if it were going to be "production" it coud be either place. So yes, you could keep 2 oil coolers and still run a l/a IC

STEPHEN

SPOautos

Exactly and when you consider all the expense that goes into this one versus a M2 I dont have any problem justifying the $2K price tag it would need. T build this l/a design requires MUCH more in the way of parts and labor.

STEPHEN

kundo

All I have to say is that if it works then it sounds good, since it would be an extra measure of safety for the rotary. If you say it works then build one and test it then take it from there, then you will get customers on the fact that you have proof that it works. just my $0.02

Im just rambling i've been at school for over 12 hours today and Im tired.

SPOautos

Well, it would definatly be tested to prove real world that backs up theory (mind you very good scientific theory). However some of the parts I need to make this work I have to buy more than what I need for one kit so I'm hesitant to invest the money into it if I dont think I can sell a few kits to get the investment back. Its not that I want anyone to commit before hand I'm just trying to get an idea of what people think of it amd what peoples concerns are

STEPHEN

Tim Benton

iTrader: (1)

If I was single and just starting to mod the 7, I'd look into. But since I have a M2 med (hood rubber and married, well...you guys know.
Sounds good since mines a touring model and could use the empty space. Those with r1/r2 more than likely wouldn't be interested, unless the 2K included the replacement oil cooler related items to move it.

Tim

SPOautos

It wouldnt affect the R1/R2 or dual oil cooler guys, they could mount the heat exchanger in front of the radiator with brackets I'd provide. The heat exchanger is only 1" thick versus 3" for a FMIC and its designed to be in front of a radiator anyway so it shouldnt affect the coolant temp. As a matter of fact like I mentioned earlier the fans on the radiator might actually make that the best spot anyway since it would be pulling air thru the core even when your sitting still.

Just sell that M2 for a grand then throw another grand in with it for the bad *** l/a

STEPHEN

scratchjunkie

everyone on this forum is a cheap bastard. okay maybe 90% of the people here.

Tim Benton

iTrader: (1)

I'm waiting for someone to yell GROUP BUY and ask Stephen to sell them for 1195.00 if they get 10 or more

Tim

SPOautos

LOL, that wouldnt even buy the parts. But if it was to go production I might initially do a group buy for a discounted price but I dont know how much it would be at this point. It would have to wait till it was totally complete and I know EXACTLY what every small thing ended up costing.....and exactly how long it ends up taking to put it all together.

If I were going to get 10 people it could prob be sold for around $1800

STEPHEN

SPOautos

Well the remaining 10% would be 3800 units sold!!!! Sounds good to me haha j/k

Maybe I should have put this in the single turbo section haha

STEPHEN

scratchjunkie

agreed

DaedelGT

I'd look into it, but I don't forsee my cooling needs even entering into the M2 med range in the forseeable future.

On the other hand, it does sound VERY cool.

Kevin T. Wyum

Not to be a stick in the mud, but...

Spend all the extra money you need to make those first kits. Then spend quite awhile testing it out on the track and street etc. You'll likely go through a number of revisions on the product as you discover problems you hadn't thought of, spend some more money making newer versions till you get for the most part all of the major bugs out and have a good finished product. At that point in time you're ready to make a production run and sell to the public.

Everyone will love the product and express great interest in buying it. Oh, did I forget to mention that right at that point some a-hole will borrow one of your kits from the first guy that bought one and make copies of it to sell for less because he or she didn't have to spend dime one on the prototype runs and revisions as well as all the time testing etc. god forbid all the time spent trying to hype and popularize the product. In the end you spent all those efforts so some gimp could sell it for less hehe.

Sorry, you fell into that one and it was kind of a current topic : )

(It's rough best of luck.)

Kevin T. Wyum

SPOautos

Yea, I know man. I'm trying to work on that aspect of things.. The best idea I could come up with was just to make it hard to "steal" and it is. Then entire thing is going to be self contained and welded into a box so to open it and see the inside you'd have to destroy it.

While they could destroy one to look inside at least its not "easy".

It is different enough that I could prob get a patent but I dont know, it would cost to much for the market. I'd prob never sell more than 10. Its not like back in the hay day when yours came out and everyone needed one. Damn, I know your bitter man, and I can see why since there have been so many IC's sold based off your design.

I sent you a PM the other day. If you have any suggestions for me shoot me a PM, I'd love to talk

STEPHEN

Mr rx-7 tt

iTrader: (5)

I don't know if the market exsists anymore. The cars are 10 years old and a large % of them have been wrecked or junked. 5-10 years ago I would say maybe, but now?

BTW I paid 2000 for my M2 Large a long time ago...(Good design Kevin).