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Old Dec 31, 2010 | 03:08 PM
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Not sure which duty cycle you're asking. Idle is about 4.1-4.3% with mid 13AFR's and max is 70% at 16psi (street port with Aspec 500R).

With (4) 850's at 11 psi (street port with sequential twins) I saw low to mid 80%'s duty cycles in Summer so I upgraded to 1300 secondaries before winter and it droped to low 70%'s at 13 psi.
interesting, last time i got tuned, large street port nonsequential with the rewire on a stock pump and the 4 850's at 1 bar i was doing about 80-85% duty cycle
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Old Dec 31, 2010 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MOBEONER
^^^ correct. The 1300 are good for twins or small single turbo for low 400s, rich was in the low 400HP range with the 1300s and so is chrispyrx7. I am shooting for 400HP so i will keep my 1300s. If the 1300s become a problem i will jump over to the Injector Dynamics (no resistors) and leave my pockets like Rabbit Ears.
I was running 850cc side feed primaries (oem maroon secondaries) along with those 1300cc injectors. Supported 420 rwhp.

Now running 870/1680 top feed with FJO injector driver and enough fuel for at least 525 rwhp.
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Old Jan 1, 2011 | 07:40 AM
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I think I will do this, thanks for the info.

even do I bought a boost a pump, I will still do this.


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Old Jan 1, 2011 | 04:15 PM
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so If I have read the posts correctly, Just rewire as the diagrams by adding a relay,
and jump the relay under the hood ? where exactly is this relay that needs to be jumped? photos ? and is jumping this an option or mandatory ?

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Old Jan 1, 2011 | 04:24 PM
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^^^ I didn't have to jump anything under the hood. Run a new power wire and ground. Then use the old stock power wire to trigger your relay.
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Old Jan 1, 2011 | 04:57 PM
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once the snows off my trunk ill take pics of how i did it for you
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Old Jan 1, 2011 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by helghast7
id rather do it once right the first time, 1300's and injectors that come back from rc have been known to fail, its happened to me with my 850's that have been cleaned from rc took a dump on me, luckily for me it happened out of boost so my 850 primaries were sufficient to run the car in vaccum, but once i entered it was like i hit fuel cut hard
I remember the nice puddle of gas in the fuel rail with that failed 1300

Dave, one factor you forgot to add in those 1300's failing on you was that they were repeatedly brought to 100% duty cycle before you got them...

I personally watched them hit 100% duty cycle on the way to and back from Dgrr 09.

Just saying 1300's aren't as risky as they sound.
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Old Jan 1, 2011 | 07:00 PM
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Anyone get a good amount of miles on ( 10k +) with their rewired fuel pump setup?

results on wiring condition, pump, etc?

Im wondering if a full pump rewire like i did on a one of the FD's is worth doing on a daily driver FD.
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Old Jan 1, 2011 | 10:16 PM
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well if my car will ever not break something i would have far more miles on it, but so far nothings given me a problem wiring or fuel pump wise

aslo brian and some people he knows has had the 1300's as well as other cleaned and flow tested injectors by rc fail on him before
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 03:53 PM
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I just picked up an FD. I'm getting ready to do this as the 1st mod to the car. I was just wondering where is the resistor located at?
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Old Jan 14, 2011 | 11:41 PM
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Keep in mind if your car is stock it's going to run rich after this mod. Retune your maps unless you like the smell of gas. There are a few ways to do the rewire mod. If using my diagram the relay goes in the back and the relay in the front is just left alone.
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Old Jan 18, 2011 | 11:50 AM
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who DOESN'T like the smell of gas in the morning?
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Old Jan 19, 2011 | 12:49 AM
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^ i love it!! **** all my vehicles smell like that
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Old Jan 24, 2011 | 12:03 AM
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Thanks dudemaaanownsanrx7 for the diagram. I rewired my pump today with 10 gauge wire.

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Old Jun 19, 2013 | 12:24 PM
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can you split the fuel pump single wire into more then on reley if using more then one fuel pump
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Grinch
can you split the fuel pump single wire into more then on reley if using more then one fuel pump
that would be fine. Relays don't require much current.
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 10:02 PM
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since the fuel pump is running 100% on full boost with the rewire. When do you fill up gas? 1/4 tank? never let it get low?
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 10:12 PM
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1/4 tank due to tank slosh but that's dependant on driving habits and how much HP (forward acceleration) to force the fuel away from the sump. anything below 1/4 in mine and ill pick up air.
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 01:40 PM
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When we track we never go below 1/2 a tank.
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Old Jun 21, 2021 | 11:23 AM
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Wouldn’t the car run rich if you do this?

Originally Posted by IRPerformance
How many of you have put a volt meter on the fuel pump on a dyno? I saw something scary this past week. Car I was having tuned had 550s/1680s, aeromotive fpr, supra tt pump, new oem fuel filter. Should have been enough fuel for close to 500 rwhp.around 16 psi boost we hit 100% injector duty cycle. Base fuel pressure was 40 psi.Car should have had injector to spare. I watched the fuel pressure gauge and under boost it shot to 60 psi and by 5000 rpm started falling. Fuel pressure fell as low as 40 psi.This explained why we had to add so much fuel at the top of the map. Next I put a volt meter on the fuel pump and was shocked to see just over 11v! Made no differnce if it was at idle ore wot. Car has a new alternator and odyssey 925 battery. Voltage on datalogit was over 12v at all times. This shows how much voltage drop there is in the junk factory wiring, As these cars age and are tampered with it gets worse.The fuel pump should have over 13v. This is another reason motors blow.
for the people who are still mostly stock and running on a stock ecu, wouldn’t doing this wiring bypass make the car run rich?
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Old Jun 21, 2021 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by palthyboy
for the people who are still mostly stock and running on a stock ecu, wouldn’t doing this wiring bypass make the car run rich?
No, the fuel pressure is regulated by the fuel pressure regulator.

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Old Jun 21, 2021 | 03:06 PM
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Hmmm.... well changing nothing but doing this rewire, my entire map had to be scaled down. Everything was overly rich. Not sure if I had/have a bigger problem 🤔🤔🤔
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Old Jun 21, 2021 | 03:21 PM
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Was your car modified at the time?

On a stock FD a Walbro does fine. The Banzai dyno results thread is all done with a Walbro in the car from the get go.

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...added-1104322/

Good power and good AFR (stock ECU trends more rich), in line with bone stock (stock fuel pump) cars.

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Old Jun 21, 2021 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by cr-rex
Hmmm.... well changing nothing but doing this rewire, my entire map had to be scaled down. Everything was overly rich. Not sure if I had/have a bigger problem 🤔🤔🤔
If you went to an overkill pump for a stock setup like a walbro 450, you would be overworking the factory regulator in which case you should be getting an aftermarket fuel pressure regulator. Pretty much anything above a walbro 255 will start to overwork the factory regulator to varying degrees which will cause tuning discrepancies. Tuning doesn't fix the fuel pressure swings but can "band-aid" the problem.

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Old Jun 21, 2021 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by thewird
If you went to an overkill pump for a stock setup like a walbro 450, you would be overworking the factory regulator in which case you should be getting an aftermarket fuel pressure regulator. Pretty much anything above a walbro 255 will start to overwork the factory regulator to varying degrees which will cause tuning discrepancies. Tuning doesn't fix the fuel pressure swings but can "band-aid" the problem.

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Another problem with a grossly-over-sized pump is the new amperage draw the old wiring will experience. Many new fuses will be sacrificed, and the stock resistor will get fried. If you folks reading this still want to go full send and run a relay that sends the full beans to the pump, you will heat your fuel up real nice with all the extra circulating. Also a very bad idea. Unless running monster power, 255LPH or so is plenty. I think Dale has written about this ad nauseum.
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