who uses the pfs purple box?
02-10-03, 09:16 AM
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who uses the pfs purple box?
I'm looking into getting the newest version of the pfs purple box with the keypad and three position boost control. I feel that this is the best system for the price (around $500 used). I would like to get the Powef FC but at this time I can only afford the purple box. I would like to hear some opinions and feedback from those who use this system. I would also like to know what kind of performance #s your car made after installation and what problems you've had with it.
93 fd with hi-flo, dp, cb, ic, and possibly the pfs intake ( i can't figure out whether its the stock airbox or the pfs intake)
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93 fd with hi-flo, dp, cb, ic, and possibly the pfs intake ( i can't figure out whether its the stock airbox or the pfs intake)
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email: jslik32@aol.com
02-10-03, 10:11 AM
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I run the system and I agree the price is right on used units. I chose mine mainly for local support over price as there is a shop fairly close to me with lots of experience with the system on turbo stangs and they have dyno facilities.
02-10-03, 12:08 PM
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I use the purple box with M2 intake, Efini Y-pipe, DP, HF Cat, HKS hiper, and a Petit Cool ChargeII SMIC. I have had no problems with the unit so far. Tuned quite conservatively... I don't race. I would eventually like to go with a PFC, as it seems more people are learning to properly tune these, and less people are experienced with the PMS.
02-10-03, 04:33 PM
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i used one for about 2 years. it was the older gold unit.
easy to tune, and no real issues to speak of. best source of information on this unit is wade lanham. probably the most informed person on these units - and he is a forum member.
personally, if it was me - i would take the $500 you have, put it aside, and save $100 a month, and buy a used PFC with commander this summer.
easy to tune, and no real issues to speak of. best source of information on this unit is wade lanham. probably the most informed person on these units - and he is a forum member.
personally, if it was me - i would take the $500 you have, put it aside, and save $100 a month, and buy a used PFC with commander this summer.
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02-10-03, 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by silver93
personally, if it was me - i would take the $500 you have, put it aside, and save $100 a month, and buy a used PFC with commander this summer.
personally, if it was me - i would take the $500 you have, put it aside, and save $100 a month, and buy a used PFC with commander this summer.
02-10-03, 08:20 PM
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www.newwave.net/~flanham/wlanham/
This should be Wade's page. I run the purple box and the only problem I've had is it seems to make the 3k hesitation more apparent if you are unlucky enough to have it.
This should be Wade's page. I run the purple box and the only problem I've had is it seems to make the 3k hesitation more apparent if you are unlucky enough to have it.
02-10-03, 11:02 PM
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for the 3K problem with the PMC unit , i sug. removing the PMC unit, and running the car with just the stock ECU for about a day. Then, plug the PMC back in, and this should have cleared everything out and eliminate the 3K deal. this has worked for several people, including myself.
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of course its easy to tune...you only got an 8x8 resolution.
you would be better off waiting and getting it done right.
ask anyone who knows better....go ask in the single turbo forum where the pros are..not one of those guys run the thing.
sorry rikki...it aint your fault.
j
you would be better off waiting and getting it done right.
ask anyone who knows better....go ask in the single turbo forum where the pros are..not one of those guys run the thing.
sorry rikki...it aint your fault.
j
02-11-03, 12:39 AM
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I bought Wade's unit ... the guy really knows his stuff. If you haven't checked out his website yet, do it.
The whole setup cost me $600 ... purple box, keypad, and software. I really like the fact that there are three programs. I've set it for 8/9PSI, 10/11PSI, 12/13PSI. My motor is out for repair now, but while I had the unit in a running car I enjoyed it. ... <grin> No, I didn't blow the motor with the box ... the water seal was blown when I bought the car.
I think that the two biggest factors in my buying it were: 1) half the cost of the PowerFC. 2) The tuning wasn't as intimidating. I was just adding and removing from the stock settings.
Now, having said all of this ... If you intend to go radical with the car ... I.E. single turbo, full open exhaust, etc. I would just get the Power FC and get it over with. You'll be able to adjust fuel, timing, boost, cooling fan trigger points, oil metering pump, absolutely everything. The purple box stops after boost.
James
PS check out this thread:
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=122050
The whole setup cost me $600 ... purple box, keypad, and software. I really like the fact that there are three programs. I've set it for 8/9PSI, 10/11PSI, 12/13PSI. My motor is out for repair now, but while I had the unit in a running car I enjoyed it. ... <grin> No, I didn't blow the motor with the box ... the water seal was blown when I bought the car.
I think that the two biggest factors in my buying it were: 1) half the cost of the PowerFC. 2) The tuning wasn't as intimidating. I was just adding and removing from the stock settings.
Now, having said all of this ... If you intend to go radical with the car ... I.E. single turbo, full open exhaust, etc. I would just get the Power FC and get it over with. You'll be able to adjust fuel, timing, boost, cooling fan trigger points, oil metering pump, absolutely everything. The purple box stops after boost.
James
PS check out this thread:
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=122050
Originally posted by silver93
i used one for about 2 years. it was the older gold unit.
easy to tune, and no real issues to speak of. best source of information on this unit is wade lanham. probably the most informed person on these units - and he is a forum member.
personally, if it was me - i would take the $500 you have, put it aside, and save $100 a month, and buy a used PFC with commander this summer.
i used one for about 2 years. it was the older gold unit.
easy to tune, and no real issues to speak of. best source of information on this unit is wade lanham. probably the most informed person on these units - and he is a forum member.
personally, if it was me - i would take the $500 you have, put it aside, and save $100 a month, and buy a used PFC with commander this summer.
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02-11-03, 06:11 AM
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sorry rikki...it aint your fault.
j
sorry rikki...it aint your fault.
j
my atari video game system was also proven...
no offence rikki
02-11-03, 07:34 AM
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of course its easy to tune...you only got an 8x8 resolution.
you would be better off waiting and getting it done right.
ask anyone who knows better....go ask in the single turbo forum where the pros are..not one of those guys run the thing.
j
of course its easy to tune...you only got an 8x8 resolution.
you would be better off waiting and getting it done right.
ask anyone who knows better....go ask in the single turbo forum where the pros are..not one of those guys run the thing.
j
nah, I'll just buy a single turbo and a haltech stand alone and got into it blind, that way my logic won't be so fuzzy.
But hell, what do I know???
I'm not trying to start anything here, but geeze some of us are just kids with a car that is too powerful for our own good. Since I've been reading this forum (a few months) at least 3 people have died and a number of FD's have been totalled. Should we just leave the whole freakin' car to the pro's too? For people who can afford it, this seems like a perfect car to learn on and build on...why would I say that, there are only like a bazillion custom jobs out there on FD's everywhere from S2K push buttons to lambo style doors to V8's to some of the ugliest cars I've ever seen, but hey they should have just waited and done it right...
I know this forum isn't the place to vent, I don't know why I even spoke up
02-11-03, 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by artguy
of course its easy to tune...you only got an 8x8 resolution.
you would be better off waiting and getting it done right.
ask anyone who knows better....go ask in the single turbo forum where the pros are..not one of those guys run the thing.
sorry rikki...it aint your fault.
j
of course its easy to tune...you only got an 8x8 resolution.
you would be better off waiting and getting it done right.
ask anyone who knows better....go ask in the single turbo forum where the pros are..not one of those guys run the thing.
sorry rikki...it aint your fault.
j
. It is a good unit for the money and is very user friendly and makes the power as most other units. It is in the tuning but it should have already been programmed for 10-12-15 psi or lo,med,hi modes. The bad news is that they have discontinued this product so there will be little to no chance of upgrades for the older units and or keypads. Not OUR choice at PFS but it is the truth
02-11-03, 08:22 AM
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hey..its your motor...do what you will...you can use old outdated and discontinued technology or you can do it right.
its not a matter of the "fd starter or beginners kit". there is no such thing. PERIOD.
it is cheap because it does not serve to accurately tune your vehicle. it "sort of" works...and thats it.
any system that has plug and play boost/tuning settings is inaccurate. do some research...you can not tune by mail. every seven has different issues and needs individual tuning.
anyone using that function that rikki mentioned without having their machine on a dyno is risking their investment under their hood.
go learn the hard way boys...its not about trying to be a pro...its about having a car that is tuned properly.
you car is only as good as the shittiest mod on your machine.
its up to you.
jason
its not a matter of the "fd starter or beginners kit". there is no such thing. PERIOD.
it is cheap because it does not serve to accurately tune your vehicle. it "sort of" works...and thats it.
any system that has plug and play boost/tuning settings is inaccurate. do some research...you can not tune by mail. every seven has different issues and needs individual tuning.
anyone using that function that rikki mentioned without having their machine on a dyno is risking their investment under their hood.
go learn the hard way boys...its not about trying to be a pro...its about having a car that is tuned properly.
you car is only as good as the shittiest mod on your machine.
its up to you.
jason
02-11-03, 08:28 AM
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btw...rikki...it is really nothing agains pfs...they have done a great job with your car after all that trial and error.
if you worked for apexi and were on here pushing the n1 dual I would tell EVERYONE how it MELTS the hell out of our bumpers and sounds like junk. You on the other hand would probably still call me an ******* and explain how great the product is and the craftsmanship (it has beautiful welds..hahah). I understand...its your job.
regardless...the **** melts my bumper everytime I drive it. Im going pettit instead...the n1 dual works...but you pay the price if you use it.
ya follow me?
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if you worked for apexi and were on here pushing the n1 dual I would tell EVERYONE how it MELTS the hell out of our bumpers and sounds like junk. You on the other hand would probably still call me an ******* and explain how great the product is and the craftsmanship (it has beautiful welds..hahah). I understand...its your job.
regardless...the **** melts my bumper everytime I drive it. Im going pettit instead...the n1 dual works...but you pay the price if you use it.
ya follow me?
jason
02-11-03, 01:16 PM
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I bought my Purple box used and have
had no problems. It even controls my
boost perfectly (warm weather).
With the stock sequentials, common bolt-ons, Nitto drag radials,
at 12psi. of boost, I turned a 12.69
beating a Z06.
I guess the question is how far
you intend to go with your mods.
Jack
had no problems. It even controls my
boost perfectly (warm weather).
With the stock sequentials, common bolt-ons, Nitto drag radials,
at 12psi. of boost, I turned a 12.69
beating a Z06.
I guess the question is how far
you intend to go with your mods.
Jack
02-11-03, 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by artguy
btw...rikki...it is really nothing agains pfs...they have done a great job with your car after all that trial and error.
if you worked for apexi and were on here pushing the n1 dual I would tell EVERYONE how it MELTS the hell out of our bumpers and sounds like junk. You on the other hand would probably still call me an ******* and explain how great the product is and the craftsmanship (it has beautiful welds..hahah). I understand...its your job.
regardless...the **** melts my bumper everytime I drive it. Im going pettit instead...the n1 dual works...but you pay the price if you use it.
ya follow me?
jason
btw...rikki...it is really nothing agains pfs...they have done a great job with your car after all that trial and error.
if you worked for apexi and were on here pushing the n1 dual I would tell EVERYONE how it MELTS the hell out of our bumpers and sounds like junk. You on the other hand would probably still call me an ******* and explain how great the product is and the craftsmanship (it has beautiful welds..hahah). I understand...its your job.
regardless...the **** melts my bumper everytime I drive it. Im going pettit instead...the n1 dual works...but you pay the price if you use it.
ya follow me?
jason
If you have twins in your car the PFC, PMC, & AEM units are all good. Not one unit is going to make any more power than the other. ALL RX-7's are different. You yourself should no that afterall you are the expert here
. Show me where the same RX-7 swapped different systems and done by a REAL tuner has made anymore power just by switching between these 3 different systems. You have valid points I agree but trying to convince people that have twins on there car that they need 6 million bytes of resolution or they will blow up is just plain out STUPID. Please dont take this the wrong way but I cant stand it when people say **** and then preech it to everyone with out no REAL hands on knowledge but read so much **** on this forum that they think there experts.Sorry but I had to get it out. If you dont like it too bad because it is getting old and really out of line.
-Rikki
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p.s. I dont care if you have been to a dyno or helped dyno your own car or a friends car people that do this for a job have the hands on so please speak up.
02-11-03, 02:14 PM
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The PFS purple is just dandy. Not if you plan to go single of course but the price is right and my times ain't too shabby for a street-legal car running a cat. I have had not a bit of trouble with it and because I drop down to basically stock boost by turning a switch, I get through clean air tests.
What's not to like? Three positions, stock, medium for the street and race fuel for the track, and my factory computer does all that other crap that the factory computer does.
What's not to like? Three positions, stock, medium for the street and race fuel for the track, and my factory computer does all that other crap that the factory computer does.
02-11-03, 05:36 PM
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rikki...your response bummed me out a bit...everything I said was true...Im not in here spouting off misinformation to hurt you. You question my knowledge of what I have learned and put up little smiley faces...tis the way of one who has no argument against proven facts based on personal experience.
i learned to tune the damn thing myself...rikki...i had problems dealing with the big name tuners and my problems were not related to the quality of my ecu. my problems stemmed from salesmens bullshit and incompetence the part of the companies they represented.
If I only had 5x5 (your box) resolution during my tuning Id definitely not be confident in the accuracy of the job I did. I would be scared to drive the thing as hard as I do.
ernie t pointed out that your IC and this POS purple box you sell is out of date. you dumped a big load on his head then too.
Anyone with any experience knows that you are getting paid to come in here and say what you do...and that you are simply protecting the products that put food on your table.
you tell these guys that they will make the same power with your purple gameboy and that just might be the case...you might get similar power...but you know as well as I do that your 5x5 resolution in boost is going to be entirely inaccurate. any arguing you do against this just shows the foolery of your statements.
inaccuracy in tuning can lead to detonation and apex seal failure. right?
TRUTH!
jason
PS...I am no authority on tuning. FD Racer and I tuned our cars ourselves after doing a LOT of research and seeing poor results from the big tuners. I know what I need to know to do the job. Simple as that. After being sold products like my n1 dual and my old gforce ecu and being sold tune by mail products like yours...I am simply FED UP.
I dont hate ya guy...you have been a great asset to the forums...I admire that....though your contributions since you took that job have somewhat decreased as you now are simply a salesman.
tis a shame too...
cya
i learned to tune the damn thing myself...rikki...i had problems dealing with the big name tuners and my problems were not related to the quality of my ecu. my problems stemmed from salesmens bullshit and incompetence the part of the companies they represented.
If I only had 5x5 (your box) resolution during my tuning Id definitely not be confident in the accuracy of the job I did. I would be scared to drive the thing as hard as I do.
ernie t pointed out that your IC and this POS purple box you sell is out of date. you dumped a big load on his head then too.
Anyone with any experience knows that you are getting paid to come in here and say what you do...and that you are simply protecting the products that put food on your table.
you tell these guys that they will make the same power with your purple gameboy and that just might be the case...you might get similar power...but you know as well as I do that your 5x5 resolution in boost is going to be entirely inaccurate. any arguing you do against this just shows the foolery of your statements.
inaccuracy in tuning can lead to detonation and apex seal failure. right?
TRUTH!
jason
PS...I am no authority on tuning. FD Racer and I tuned our cars ourselves after doing a LOT of research and seeing poor results from the big tuners. I know what I need to know to do the job. Simple as that. After being sold products like my n1 dual and my old gforce ecu and being sold tune by mail products like yours...I am simply FED UP.
I dont hate ya guy...you have been a great asset to the forums...I admire that....though your contributions since you took that job have somewhat decreased as you now are simply a salesman.
tis a shame too...
cya
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02-11-03, 05:55 PM
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A PFS is "not" the best (pigy back ECU) deal for $500 (old software & technology).
Buddy Club ECU $498.00
+ laptop cable &
tunable software $85.00.
= $583.00
http://www.superhightechnology.com/
Buddy Club ECU $498.00
+ laptop cable &
tunable software $85.00.
= $583.00
http://www.superhightechnology.com/
02-11-03, 06:00 PM
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although i agree w/ ya Jason,and you are keeping it under control, and lets not let him get to you.
rikki, dont take such offence to things. lets move on. no need to defend your PFS stuff anymore and start poking at people like you did.
also, i dont hate you either, its just the constant defending of PFS and promotions that get annoying. you must seriously come on this forum and do a search for PFS or other *key* words that are related to the products. the only threads i see you in anymore are ones that other people start about these topics. not that there is anything wrong with that.....but....
rikki, dont take such offence to things. lets move on. no need to defend your PFS stuff anymore and start poking at people like you did.
also, i dont hate you either, its just the constant defending of PFS and promotions that get annoying. you must seriously come on this forum and do a search for PFS or other *key* words that are related to the products. the only threads i see you in anymore are ones that other people start about these topics. not that there is anything wrong with that.....but....
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Hey How about some of you users posting a few maps eh? Id like to see what others are running. I've had mine for about three years with no problem, but your mods are limited with the EFI unit.