What would you rather have: ls1 or single turbo
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What would you rather have: ls1 or single turbo
Just curious, there were A TON of posts the the v8 monstrosity and I couldnt read most of it...So basially would you rather have a ls1 with some bolt ons, and a cam...or a street port single turbo, standalone, most bolt ons, small shot n20 FD?
Personally I would have the turbo one..
Personally I would have the turbo one..
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3rotor actually grew up a bit durring the time when the forum was down, and I moved over to the *other* forum for a week. He's waiting to do more research, and he didn't buy the POS he was looking at (blue with a body kit and a cosmo 13b).
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personnaly, id take a LS1 (actually a turbo LS1 )
If I could afford to buy a large enuf single, a true wideband, ecu (E11 or motec), fuel upgrades, a couple more rotary engines (cuz chances are ill pop the first couple) and large intercooler/v-mount I'd do it but then again, I still would not have that flat powerband and low end torque as well as relibility and a kick *** tranny (T56, enuf said) I want/need.
If I could afford to buy a large enuf single, a true wideband, ecu (E11 or motec), fuel upgrades, a couple more rotary engines (cuz chances are ill pop the first couple) and large intercooler/v-mount I'd do it but then again, I still would not have that flat powerband and low end torque as well as relibility and a kick *** tranny (T56, enuf said) I want/need.
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I am also one very much on the fence with the LS1 vs. rebuild and single turbo. I have just started seriously modding my R1, and have been planning to remove the rotary once it dies. It will simply be cheaper to complete the LS1/T56 swap then what is needed to get 400+ *reliable* horsepower from the 13brew. Add the fact that 500hp is very easy on the LS1 with basic bolt-ons, and will very reliable, great mileage, not to mention a much, much better power curve.
While I don't care about mileage, and I don't care about the economics as much as the BS to get the rotary to work as easily and as 'cleanly' as the V8. Very little detonation worries, a *highly* advanced stock computer, not to mention powerband. (Did I mention powerband...?)
As for the 3-rotor, why? Its is so heavy. It drives me crazy how people on this forum who haven't looked into either option and how it effects the car's handling and weight/balance. While the V8 in full trim isn't much heavier 30-40lbs then the 13B in full trim, the 20B *is*.
Best chassis and best motor out there I think would make a wonderful car. As for being unique I think that would be *quite* unique. There are just a handful of LS1 conversions out there on the road, I am quite sure it would be very unique. I think I could get used to the sound also
For now, after the last few weeks of taking out my power steering and installing a manual rack, removing the ABS, A/C, every emissions component, most all solinoids save for the fuel pressure solinoid., moving the front relay rack, rewrapping the whole friggin engine harness, installing a custom intercooler and custom pipes, full non-sequential; about 130+lbs of crap....
So for now I guess I am a rotary geek.
For now..
While I don't care about mileage, and I don't care about the economics as much as the BS to get the rotary to work as easily and as 'cleanly' as the V8. Very little detonation worries, a *highly* advanced stock computer, not to mention powerband. (Did I mention powerband...?)
As for the 3-rotor, why? Its is so heavy. It drives me crazy how people on this forum who haven't looked into either option and how it effects the car's handling and weight/balance. While the V8 in full trim isn't much heavier 30-40lbs then the 13B in full trim, the 20B *is*.
Best chassis and best motor out there I think would make a wonderful car. As for being unique I think that would be *quite* unique. There are just a handful of LS1 conversions out there on the road, I am quite sure it would be very unique. I think I could get used to the sound also
For now, after the last few weeks of taking out my power steering and installing a manual rack, removing the ABS, A/C, every emissions component, most all solinoids save for the fuel pressure solinoid., moving the front relay rack, rewrapping the whole friggin engine harness, installing a custom intercooler and custom pipes, full non-sequential; about 130+lbs of crap....
So for now I guess I am a rotary geek.
For now..
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This is a silly thread. Those of us who believe that the motor is the "soul of the car" would never consider replacing the rotary. Those of us who view a car as purely a hunk of metal are going to prefer the LS-1 swap. Would you rip the V8 out of a Ferrari and try to squeeze in an LS-1 just because you can make more power? You might as well just modify a Z06. That's an extreme case but you get my point.
But for those of you who think it's cheaper and easier to swap in an LS-1, I laugh.... You could easily pay someone to replace TWO rotary engines for the same cost as performing the LS-1 swap IF you do all the work yourself and IF you install a bone-stock LS-1. There are only a few running LT-1/LS-1 FDs out there and they all took a lot of work to get that way. Paying someone (Hinson) to install a modified LS-1 and you are looking at a price tag well into the $10ks....
But for those of you who think it's cheaper and easier to swap in an LS-1, I laugh.... You could easily pay someone to replace TWO rotary engines for the same cost as performing the LS-1 swap IF you do all the work yourself and IF you install a bone-stock LS-1. There are only a few running LT-1/LS-1 FDs out there and they all took a lot of work to get that way. Paying someone (Hinson) to install a modified LS-1 and you are looking at a price tag well into the $10ks....
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well I just ask cause WHEN I get a 7 I was thinking about this alot...I have a ls1 (camaro) now and i like it, and I do run it hard and ive had no problems.....the stock tranny is good for 600+RWHP on slicks...its a strong engine that pulls pretty good...but then again your talking about twin turbo...thats going to cost atleast 7,000 or so installed.....and youll be somwehere in the range of 550RWHP + which is good, but you can get a FD there alot cheaper, but then realiablily question comes up again...this is why its such a delema for me
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Originally posted by stik6shift00
well I just ask cause WHEN I get a 7 I was thinking about this alot...I have a ls1 (camaro) now and i like it, and I do run it hard and ive had no problems.....the stock tranny is good for 600+RWHP on slicks...its a strong engine that pulls pretty good...but then again your talking about twin turbo...thats going to cost atleast 7,000 or so installed.....and youll be somwehere in the range of 550RWHP + which is good, but you can get a FD there alot cheaper, but then realiablily question comes up again...this is why its such a delema for me
well I just ask cause WHEN I get a 7 I was thinking about this alot...I have a ls1 (camaro) now and i like it, and I do run it hard and ive had no problems.....the stock tranny is good for 600+RWHP on slicks...its a strong engine that pulls pretty good...but then again your talking about twin turbo...thats going to cost atleast 7,000 or so installed.....and youll be somwehere in the range of 550RWHP + which is good, but you can get a FD there alot cheaper, but then realiablily question comes up again...this is why its such a delema for me
ahhh sorry I just wrote as i was thinking
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Originally posted by Flybye
I still wanna put a 20b in a Vette to see what the vette owners think....
and an MKIV, too
I still wanna put a 20b in a Vette to see what the vette owners think....
and an MKIV, too
It would be quite neat though....
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