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Old Sep 10, 2003 | 07:53 PM
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What would you rather have: ls1 or single turbo

Just curious, there were A TON of posts the the v8 monstrosity and I couldnt read most of it...So basially would you rather have a ls1 with some bolt ons, and a cam...or a street port single turbo, standalone, most bolt ons, small shot n20 FD?

Personally I would have the turbo one..
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 08:05 PM
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hands down the single turbo setup sounds the best to me
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 08:20 PM
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go with the single turbo and ect...
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 08:39 PM
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Old Sep 10, 2003 | 08:55 PM
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I'd take some nice upgraded twins for the street or a single turbo if I were to race more than I do.
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 08:57 PM
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Single Turbo > LS1.
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 09:03 PM
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Old Sep 10, 2003 | 09:04 PM
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single turbo
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 09:06 PM
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Lets just say this is the last rotary motor thats going in my car.
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 09:07 PM
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I figured this would be the response....until someone brings up relability..
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 09:09 PM
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is there a new 3rotorrocket in town?
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 09:21 PM
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It's my car...I expected the flaming
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 09:23 PM
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3rotor actually grew up a bit durring the time when the forum was down, and I moved over to the *other* forum for a week. He's waiting to do more research, and he didn't buy the POS he was looking at (blue with a body kit and a cosmo 13b).
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 09:34 PM
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Turbo, LS1s are so common, they're heavier, and has these funny reciprocating things called pistons. What a waste of energy.
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 09:36 PM
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The heavier part has been disproven numerous times.
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 09:52 PM
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personnaly, id take a LS1 (actually a turbo LS1 )

If I could afford to buy a large enuf single, a true wideband, ecu (E11 or motec), fuel upgrades, a couple more rotary engines (cuz chances are ill pop the first couple) and large intercooler/v-mount I'd do it but then again, I still would not have that flat powerband and low end torque as well as relibility and a kick *** tranny (T56, enuf said) I want/need.

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Old Sep 10, 2003 | 10:17 PM
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yeah can u fit a turbo LS1 in a FD? (well, a twin turbo since ud need one for each side unless u wanted to do major plumbing)
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 10:20 PM
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I am also one very much on the fence with the LS1 vs. rebuild and single turbo. I have just started seriously modding my R1, and have been planning to remove the rotary once it dies. It will simply be cheaper to complete the LS1/T56 swap then what is needed to get 400+ *reliable* horsepower from the 13brew. Add the fact that 500hp is very easy on the LS1 with basic bolt-ons, and will very reliable, great mileage, not to mention a much, much better power curve.

While I don't care about mileage, and I don't care about the economics as much as the BS to get the rotary to work as easily and as 'cleanly' as the V8. Very little detonation worries, a *highly* advanced stock computer, not to mention powerband. (Did I mention powerband...?)

As for the 3-rotor, why? Its is so heavy. It drives me crazy how people on this forum who haven't looked into either option and how it effects the car's handling and weight/balance. While the V8 in full trim isn't much heavier 30-40lbs then the 13B in full trim, the 20B *is*.

Best chassis and best motor out there I think would make a wonderful car. As for being unique I think that would be *quite* unique. There are just a handful of LS1 conversions out there on the road, I am quite sure it would be very unique. I think I could get used to the sound also

For now, after the last few weeks of taking out my power steering and installing a manual rack, removing the ABS, A/C, every emissions component, most all solinoids save for the fuel pressure solinoid., moving the front relay rack, rewrapping the whole friggin engine harness, installing a custom intercooler and custom pipes, full non-sequential; about 130+lbs of crap....
So for now I guess I am a rotary geek.

For now..


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Old Sep 10, 2003 | 10:50 PM
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If you want an LS1, go buy a C5 vette... it's a pretty decent car for something that's made in the USA.

I'll keep my T04S FD!

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Old Sep 10, 2003 | 10:54 PM
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This is a silly thread. Those of us who believe that the motor is the "soul of the car" would never consider replacing the rotary. Those of us who view a car as purely a hunk of metal are going to prefer the LS-1 swap. Would you rip the V8 out of a Ferrari and try to squeeze in an LS-1 just because you can make more power? You might as well just modify a Z06. That's an extreme case but you get my point.

But for those of you who think it's cheaper and easier to swap in an LS-1, I laugh.... You could easily pay someone to replace TWO rotary engines for the same cost as performing the LS-1 swap IF you do all the work yourself and IF you install a bone-stock LS-1. There are only a few running LT-1/LS-1 FDs out there and they all took a lot of work to get that way. Paying someone (Hinson) to install a modified LS-1 and you are looking at a price tag well into the $10ks....
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 11:22 PM
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well I just ask cause WHEN I get a 7 I was thinking about this alot...I have a ls1 (camaro) now and i like it, and I do run it hard and ive had no problems.....the stock tranny is good for 600+RWHP on slicks...its a strong engine that pulls pretty good...but then again your talking about twin turbo...thats going to cost atleast 7,000 or so installed.....and youll be somwehere in the range of 550RWHP + which is good, but you can get a FD there alot cheaper, but then realiablily question comes up again...this is why its such a delema for me
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 11:24 PM
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well I just ask cause WHEN I get a 7 I was thinking about this alot...I have a ls1 (camaro) now and i like it, and I do run it hard and ive had no problems.....the stock tranny is good for 600+RWHP on slicks...its a strong engine that pulls pretty good...but then again your talking about twin turbo...thats going to cost atleast 7,000 or so installed.....and youll be somwehere in the range of 550RWHP + which is good, but you can get a FD there alot cheaper, but then realiablily question comes up again...this is why its such a delema for me

ahhh sorry I just wrote as i was thinking
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 11:36 PM
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Single. I love the way the FD looks. If I wanted a V8 I would have just bought a Z06, but hey, different strokes for different folks.:dontknow:
Old Sep 11, 2003 | 06:29 AM
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I still wanna put a 20b in a Vette to see what the vette owners think....

and an MKIV, too
Old Sep 11, 2003 | 08:50 AM
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I still wanna put a 20b in a Vette to see what the vette owners think....

and an MKIV, too
Yes but that wouldn't make sense... The motor while is awesome to get power out of still has the rotary's drawbacks. People aren't putting the LS1 in the FD because they are trying to **** people off. Some people see how expensive the rotary is to get power out of, and see that the motor can be swapped out with very little drawback when an aluminum block V8 is put in.

It would be quite neat though....

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