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ROFLMAO @ kevin blew a whole in the diff and towed it back to mazda to get replaced under warranty. that is AWESOME!

ZeroBanger

That would scare me too. actually thyat would be about 12.7 with a 2.0 60'.

Read my avatar
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I'm sure quite a few of you have hit 2.0 or less on stock tires. You guys all have practically 12 second cars if they all ran like Kevin T. Wyum's, yet most are running mostly high 13's to low 14's. What's the deal?

Chris [/QUOTE ]

How do you explain the MM & FF issue that ran a 12.8 second SS? I have seen SS's and Z28's from guys I KNOW that have mods (catback exhaust) that run 13.5.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Kevin T. Wyum

BTW did you bother to think about the guys post talking about how he had to slip the clutch horribly during his runs to just get a 13.49? Did you wonder why he had to slip the clutch like that? TO AVOID BOGGING!

This is all very common sense stuff. Being that you just set up that account today maybe you're new to cars or something.

Kevin T. Wyum

The really funny part was the warranty rep tried to blame the differential exploding on my crush bent exhaust. He claimed it must have heated the fluid up since the pipe didn't have the insulation of a converter hehe. I almost slapped him as he said that it was so stupid. They eventually covered it as the mechanics had a hard time not laughing at him too.

Kevin T. Wyum

MI_SS_IL

He's not mis-stating anything ... you just said it again "it didn't matter much in 13 second cars". Of course it matters in 13 second cars! I can't believe you're repeating it. In fact, you of all people should know it matters.

That's the trick to getting a good e.t. in any car. The point is your pulling 2.2 60' times ... which either means slip or bog ... which means 13.3's bone stock are very unlikely unless God comes and gives your car a kick in the *** half way down the strip.

Ah, I was hoping you'd mention those 12's. Look at the 60' times. They're the reason you got those 12's and they line right up the way they should. Your September numbers still don't add up though.

Chris

MI_SS_IL

Ha, ha, Zero, I figured this would only be a matter of time. You want to know how they got those times? Tell you what, go find the articles, look at the 60' times and you'll have your answer. I'll give you a hint ... they weren't running 2.2 60' times and trapping at 105mph.

Chris

ZeroBanger

I broke my diff about 2 months ago. was the worst thing that ever happen to me at the track...

well...staging with my rear tires at a major event was pretty funny too...

as was my two launches in neutral....giving me a 3 second R/T (still beat the mustang, LOL).

ZeroBanger

I'm not making any assertion that MM & FF actually got a 12.8 or the event ever took place, was just a question.

what were the 60' anyway?

MI_SS_IL

Zero, seriously, this guy is the guy you were talking about that's the expert? He still hasn't answered the questions, he keeps trying to avoid everything by giving us lessons on bogging and keeping in the powerband, he doesn't think 60' times are important in 13 second cars, he doesn't think 13 second cars have traction issues ... DO I NEED TO GO ON HERE?

I proved his whole 13.3 nonsense to be b.s. whether he's lying or it's due to faulty track equipment or whatever is irrelevant, and what does he say to it? He tells me I'm new and I don't know much about cars ... yet I haven't avoided any question put to me, I haven't stated any opinion, I've only dealt in fact ... and then he starts telling me that traction isn't a problem in a 13 second car. Yeah, this guy's an expert.

So what does everyone else think? I know I'm sounding harsh here, and sarcastic, but right now I seriously can't help it. I know it's not the best way for a new guy to come off. Let me ask everyone this ... does anyone (other than Zero and Kevin) disagree with anything I've said in my posts?

Chris

ZeroBanger

I dont know kevin from anyone else. I did alot of searching and some people (JIMLAB for example) speak highly of him.

MI_SS_IL

The 12.8 I'm not positive on, but the 2001 SS they ran to a 12.9 banged off a 1.9. I have the article on my work computer. I'll post it up or email it to you if you want to see it. They dynoed the car to 321RWHP (they don't all dyno that high, most dyno less, some have gone a little more). Even when they had that test against the new Cobra they could only get a 13.2 out of the 02 SS, but that was with a 2.2 60'. He just couldn't launch it the same way he did before, but the numbers still line right up ... with a better 60' it would have been kissing 12's again (you know about that right? ).

Chris

Leprechaun

MISSIL makes another good point. That's right, if he made 13.3 with a terrible 2.2s 60' time, then if he had a really good launch (2.0s) he would be in the 12s. So basically Kevin has a Viper powered totally stock FD. Obviously something doesn't add up. Kevin youre a great shifter and all, yeah the powerband, but those times are as Spock would say "not logical"

ZeroBanger

Seen the article
Read it
don't believe it.


Also, a stock SS with a 2.2 60' does not run 13.2. SORRY I have seen them at the track and I have friends with Z28's/SS/WS6. AS romulus on your forum what his 60' was when he ran 13.8 @ 104. He has since modded his car and runs 13.2 now.

Kevin T. Wyum

This will be my last attempt to make you understand something very basic. Answer the following questions and you will demonstrate my point.


If a car gets a wonderful launch with the tires hooking and the car rockets forward to the 60' line but then the clutch fully engages and the cars rpm's drop like a rock what happens to the run??

Does the car have a good 60' time? YES

Does the car have a good 1/4 mile ET? NO

How can that be??????? OMG that can't happen according to you.

MI_SS_IL

Well, I took your word for it when I came on here, but my opinion has been revised since then. He doesn't seem to have a clue as to what he's talking about and he avoids everything by trying to pretend he's giving free lessons on learning how to race. So far his only rebuttal is to give me an explanation of bogging ... what that has to do with anything here is beyond me. Bogging explains his crappy 60' times, it doesn't explain his e.t. though.

Chris

MI_SS_IL

Dude, I've answered all of your questions up to this point. You asked me to prove you wrong ... I did. Now, it's your turn ... answer the questions you've avoided up until now. You want me to make you a list of them again?

Chris

MI_SS_IL

Here's another question you can add to the list. Are you telling me that you don't fully engage the clutch until after the 60' mark?

You know what, I will answer the above question.

1. wonderful launch (what this has to do with your 2.2 60' I have no idea)

2. car rockets forward to the 60' line, clutch fully engages (okay, whatever)

3. rpms drop

RPM's drop? You know what happens ... you run a 2.0XX 60' because of the great launch you run 100mph because you lost a lot of power because the rpm dropped and you get an e.t. of high 13's-low 14's somewhere. That's what happens. Maybe in your car you run 1.9 60' and 12.2@107, but most people have numbers that make sense.

Chris

ZeroBanger

What do you guys think of the new BK Chicken whopper? I get mine in the king size with onion rings instead of fryes. only 5.07!!!!!!!!

MI_SS_IL

Off topic again Zero. Go make a new thread, I'll argue with you all you want. By the way, I don't want to call you a liar, but didn't you tell all of us that you believed 12's were possible for a stock LS1? Yeah, that's what I thought. Don't bother answering, we'll go hash it out in a new thread if you want. Your opinions seem to change quicker than you change your name on our forum.

Chris

MI_SS_IL

I guess the thread isn't going as you had planned? Get some more reliable sources for your 13.2-13.3's. This guy isn't cutting it.

Chris

ZeroBanger

Would you go back to my post on ls1, I said that the AVERAGE FD will run high 13's with a really good driver getting mid 13's and a bad driver running 14's.

Do you deny that? I never, ever 1 time said that anyone could run 13.2 or 13.3. I simply pointed out that Kevin made a claim and seems to have some timeslips to prove it.

I do not believe that # is at all indicative of what an FD can do. Do you DENY what im saying? Or should I find my original post?

here is one:

Well I never said 13.5 is average. maybe he meant that 13.5-13.9 are the #'s that are quoted all the time?

the supposed 13.5 Rx7 would be a kin to the supposed 12.X SS 1/4 mile.

Look, even S2000 owners advertise a 13.6. ..No I'm not lying. REALLY. They will tell you S2000's run 13.6 in the 1/4. I have some friends that are great drivers that launch the S2000 at 8000 rpm and hit 14.2/14.3. Yet 1 or 2 have timeslips that say 13.6 bone stock.

The 12.9 SS, 13.5 RX7 and 13.6 S2000 Are extreme cases AS are the 14.X RX7, 13.9 SS AND 16.0 second S2000.

Ok I only threw the S2000 in there to make a point. When someone asks me what an rx7 ran stock, I usually say "13.5-13.9"

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Here is another:

The guy that supposedly ran a 13.2 is Kevin Wyum. Here is a thread from last may that talks about it. It also has some guy who ran 13.6 bone stock.

https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...=kevin+and+13.2

I don't know about the 13.2 time. This kevin guy also said he ran 12.6 with JUST a downpipe.

I don't quote that 13.2, I'm just aware that someone claims to have done it. The only thing that kevin has going for him is he is very very very very very very highly respected and knows RX7's like the back of his hand
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NOW DO YOU STILL IMPLY THAT I SAID FD'S RUN 13.2?

Kevin T. Wyum

Heh you're pretty funny. I don't recall seeing you prove anything at all. Please refresh my memory and tell me where you proved something. All I've seen is that you keep repeating you proved it wrong. Well you can say that till you go blue in the face but it doesn't make it true because you keep saying it. Please show me the paragraph where you proved it wrong.

One step at a time.

Kevin T. Wyum

ZeroBanger

NO I never said 12's were possible stock. I posted this on ls1.com today.

I have an amazing memory, I remember everything. I recall that Matty's exact or near exact words were something like this

"I guess its not impossible that an SS can do high 12's stock under certain conditions, its just a hard pill to swallow".

both himself and Forcefed7 and GRX Driver all agreed that its "possible". So Matty is correct and this is an example how all of you distort the truth. Another SS or LS1 owner will read that and think that NONE of the RX7 owners believe the 12.X time and they will get all pissy and start calling them all trolls.

Everyone here knows where I stand.


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I NEVER SAID AN LS1 CAN DO 12 'S STOCK.

Kevin T. Wyum

"don't know about the 13.2 time. This kevin guy also said he ran 12.6 with JUST a downpipe"

No he didn't say that. He said he ran a 12.6 with a crush bent 3" pipe replacing the main cat and muffler. The precat was perfectly fine. Btw that was the Oct 9th 12.6 timeslip.

A happy day : )

Kevin T. Wyum

MI_SS_IL

No Zero, I don't deny that. That is completely true. What I meant was, you pointed me in this guys' direction so I figured you agreed with his e.t. (I figured you believed it). Maybe a wrong assumption on my part ... maybe not. Do you think a bone stock RX7 is capable of running a 13.3@105mph with a 2.2 60' time? I don't as you may be able to tell. So again, do you believe it?

Again, I never meant to imply you said anything you didn't say. I know you did claim high 13's on average and mid 13's with a good driver ... I completely agree with that assessment.

Chris