mecman

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I had the same thing happen to me with my FD when I first got it. It was totally stock. Once I got a downpipe and did the fan switch modification, I have not had the coolant boil after shutting off the engine.

FDNewbie

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LOL. You know what that reminded me of? At the local stealership (it's a Mazda/Nissan one), the parts dept. has a huge poster of a Maxima (95 - 99 body style) that's split in half. One half shows the Maxima in a desert w/ super high heat...the other shows it in a super cold area w/ iceicles hanging from it. The poster says something to the effect of their cars are tested in the most extreme of conditions lol. But still, like I told Jed, I'd be worried about the dry sustained solid heat of Saudi. You can crack your dash in a single day if you leave it in a hot area w/ continued sun exposure. I know ppl who have had it happen. They can see temps up to 140 degrees!

Most stealerships won't have them in stock, and if they don't they'll tell you you have to buy 12 of them at a time because that's the minimum they can order LOL. Such bull. Just call Ray Crowe @ Malloy Mazda: 1-888-533-3400. Ever since Dale Clark discovered the switch fits right in, Ray started stocking the switches.

Now...about this boiling sound. I know most of you guys said this is normal for a stock car, so the chances of you having a water temp gauge hooked up is prob slim...but...anyone know what kind of temps you're getting when hearing this boiling sound? I'm guessing there's a correlation between how hot the engine gets and getting the boiling...

Kento

The problem is that the coolant temps always rise after shutdown due to heat soak from the hot engine with zero circulation of (and no cooling airflow for) the coolant, so the actual temp at that point is kind of irrelevant.

FDNewbie

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Good point. I love your explanations lol.

So what's all this talk about AST caps? I'm gonna take a stab at this, and hope I don't miss the mark too bad lol. As Dave said, the Pettit AST caps are rated at 13 psi, while the original stock ones (on 93s AFAIK) were rated at almost 19 psi. The lower pressure caps decreases the pressure in the coolant system, depressing the boiling point, thus increasing the probability that your coolant will boil over? I don't understand why you'd wanna do that...

And IF my conclusion's right, the other part that's leaving me is that most of us run a 50/50 mix (or close to) of coolant + water, right? And since coolant doubles as an anti-freeze, it lowers the freezing point and raises the boiling point of the coolant mixture. So it seems to me that running the 13 psi caps is counter-productive...you're losing the positive effects of running a water + coolant mixture, that would have otherwise allowed for a higher boiling point. I don't think you'd want your coolant to boil at a lower temp (or boil at all, for that matter)...so my guess would be that we're using lower pressure caps simply because there are negatives/dangers in running a high-pressured coolant system that I don't know of? And, those dangers are worse than the possibility of boiling your coolant?

scotty305

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A highly pressurized system puts more stress on the hoses and connections. You're more likely to see catastrophic failures such as hoses splitting or popping off. In addition, ethylene glycol is slippery and flammable. You don't want hoses bursting and spilling coolant on your tires or hot engine components.

-s-

fdeeznutz

I've done that before. I put to much water in and it came out of the overflow tank. It spilled once and it was fine.

Jed_only_red_RX7

OK...now im assuming that i should change my radiatior Cap and the thermoswitch to have my car cool better...will try my best.

jic

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the sound isnt actually a boiling sound..its like a running/slushing sound
only happens for about 30 seconds

jic

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and no matter what kinda driving conditions, i always pop the hood when im done with the car to cool it off to be on the safe side

EFS.O

I was under the impression that even after shutdown water circulates as long as the thermostat is open.Are you sure aabout the zero circulation?

Mazda99Nikon

Once the water pump stops, circulation stops. Super heated water inside the engine will not move to any great degree. Only the heat will radiate, usually upwards until the blanket is saturated, then it should convect sideways into other metal engine parts. Lastly, non metal parts, hoses, etc will heat soak. Low mass parts, closest to exterior air movement will be the first to cool off and will eventually draw heat away from engine and turbos. There's not much air movement inside the engine bay, unfortunately, so convection is the only way that heat is going anywhere once the fans stop. Opening the hood after hot operation would seem to be a very good idea. At least that's what my physics classes would seem to suggest.

DaveW

I do that any time I can.

jeffrored92

I second that.

I get mucho white smoke on startup, for the first 2 or 3 mins, but it dissapears at the edges, doesn't smell like coolant, and I haven't had to top up the coolant in months. The smoke has been getting worse in the cold weather (winter down under atm). It's just moisture.

I used to get some localized boiling, but now I use my turbo timer to run the fans after shutdown (about all it's good for!) and drive gentle for a bit before I park, and I don't have localized boiling anymore.

neit_jnf

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I use Evans NPG+ at zero pressure and NEVER get boiling sounds

FDNewbie

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Thanks

Jed, as Dave mentioned, this was part of the recalls. Like I told you earlier, since you have a 93, make sure you call Mazda and check if all the recalls have been performed. Any recalls that have indeed been performed will result in a sticker on the door jamb on the driver side. That's a positive sign (if you find any of these recall stickers), but it doesn't mean that all of them have been performed.

3rdGenTT

So to sum up this thread boiling noise bad, better cooling effeciency and opening your hood to better air flow good.

DaveW

I'd say that boiling noise is NOT necessarily bad, but, of course, things to help the engine stay cooler ARE better.

RX7UP

Yup... So do I .... I always pop the hood so my rubber hoses don't get crispy and so I can help extend the life of the motor....

jic

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i was at the dealers picking up some clips for my shifter panel today
and saw some guy with a riced out 3rd gen.
i asked him why he had this jaguar emblem on his hood
he said it looked "sleeper"
man he was smokin some good ****

just a random flashback

FDNewbie

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You didn't leave the FD suffering like that, did you???

fc3sxtasy87

mmm...bruchies..

WaLieN

I used to get some mild boiling noises when I had a worn coolant filler cap. After I replaced it, I have yet to hear/see any boiling.

David Beale

The boiling will not acutally -hurt- anything, though it may break down the coolant a little quicker. Usually, boiling after shutdown is caused by low coolant - in the engine. Check the coolant level in the overflow bottle - it may be very full. Follow my dissertation:

Think of the engine as a coolant pump to and from the overflow bottle. When the engine warms up the coolant expands and forces its' way through the overflow tube into the overflow bottle. When the engine cools down it creates a vacuum, which sucks coolant back from the overflow bottle.

This works fine until one of your coolant caps develops a vacuum leak at the rubber seal. Then all that happens is some percentage of the coolant in the engine is pumped into the overflow bottle and remains there, leaving the engine a little low. This allows the pressure to drop after shutdown (because air is compressible), which in turn allows the coolant to boil after shutdown. The metal in the engine holds a lot of heat when the engine is running, and this is ok as long as there is coolant flow to carry it away. Once the flow stops, the coolant will heat up more than normal, and if the pressure is low enough, it will boil.

The classic event run is you notice the engine coolant level is way down (checking when cold, of course) when you look in the water pump fill tube. You pour in more water. It gets pumped into the overflow bottle (to stay as you have a vacuum leak and can't get it back to the engine). You are now nervous, and check the level in the engine every day (morning when the car is cold), and fill it. Soon (two to three days) the overflow bottle is full to the top and leaks out where the filler tube (removeable) joins the bottle. You see the puddle and panic.

It happened to me. Solution - replace both caps (they were old), replace all small coolant hoses to/from overflow bottle - they are not designed for pressure use as there is no pressure in this part of the system, so they are thin and can be collapsed under suction - stopping the coolant from returning to the engine. I replaced them with suitable pressure coolant hose routed so it would not kink (it's thicker so care must be taken when routing it - it will not bend as well).

I have not had coolant boiling after shutdown since - 6 years running now.

Hope this solves your problem.

RE Suzuki

new motor here it come.

ALPSTA

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Lots of white smoke on start up for the first 2-3 mins, lots of boiling bubling noise after shut down.

No problem on cold start, idle high as normal but car stalls once idle goes down to normal within first 5-10 min of start up. Once car warms up properly no stalling problem, weird.....