Fumanchu

Enlighten me please.

PhoenixDownVII

Perhaps I'll say it for him:

While the S2k starts off comparable to the FD stock to stock, modability of a highly tuned NA motor is certainly a bit harder and less gain-per-dollar than the FI vehcle that the FD is.

Couple this with the fact that the FD is much more rare and better looking from every angle both inside and outside the car, and you have yourself an answer...

Mahjik

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Fu recently switched from a FD to a S2000 (if you didn't know).

scotty305

iTrader: (2)

Fumanchu switched from an automatic FD to a manual S2000, if I recall correctly.

-s-

Mahjik

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Yes, but that won't make a difference as far as handling, just off the line acceleration.

Fumanchu

Exactly.


The auto didn't matter anyways for my decision. You think I never drove a manual FD? I could of easily switched my FD to auto if the car was that desirable to me.

rescueranger

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fd = girl
cant live with them .. cant live without them

Fumanchu

I will give you that it is harder to sqeeze power out of the f20 motor. Nothing that forced induction can't take care of. Once you are in that realm, both cars are capable of same horsepower levels with relatively the same money invested. There are just as many 350hp+ s2k's than there is FD's.


"Much more rare"? I don't really get my jollies off of having a rare car. Deloreans are rare. Doesn't me they weren't pieces of ****. Plus "better looking" is subjective. I would rate the interior of my s2k a lot higher than the FD. For one, the quality is night and day. And two, I enjoy the layout a lot better. But again, the layout is a subjective point. Same with the outside styling which I feel is just as sexy as the FD.



To the thread starter... The FD isn't for everybody. No two people have the same list of priorities when it comes to cars. I tried the FD and found it wasn't for me. Doesn't make me any less of a person, even though most the 3rd Gen guys will tell you different. I recommend test driving one and doing some research. I will tell you this, you will NEVER have cooling problems, **** interior quality, broken door handles, difficulties with passing smog, squeeky suspension bushings and terrible gas mileage...etc... if you buy an s2k.

dubulup

the kid works at Mickey D's

go get a pick up truck...much more useful for a growing boy.

d0 Luck

don't forget the fabolous warranty that comes along with it!

Fumanchu

Not sure if they offer the 100k mile warranty in Aus but if they do, that's a plus.




kuning: You don't need a daily driver for the s2k. You could sell both your cars and pick up an s2k and make small payments. There will be no problems to fix and the car gets great gas mileage for daily driving around (25mpg avg.). Research how much it would cost you to get into a '02+ s2000. They fixed some annoying little bugs after the first 2 years (glass rear window, upgraded interior, issues with the top). Plus you won't have to be doing oil changes every two thousand miles and checking your oil level all of the time.

POM HB

Fumanchu,

1st off, it's good you're still come here and share your opinions w/ the forum.

2rd, I love S2K too! Can you pm me your insight, comparison, comment, etc comparing the FD and S2K ? I'd love to know.

Thanks,

POM HB

Fumanchu

I had a thread in the General Auto Section but it seems to have been deleted. Not sure why. I compared the two cars on every level. PM me with any questions you have.

kuning

What's wrong with working at Maccas? Why would you think that all those who work at Maccas are drop dead dumb hopeless future people? Well pardon me for being a bit of show off here.
I'm a full fee paying international students here in Australia, I own two cars both are not some sort of **** box just to get me from point A to B. I'm finishing my chemical engineering degree in a year time. The same goes to all my Indo fellows at Maccas.
Most of the crew who are from my home country (Indonesia) drive nice cars such as Range Rover,S2k,Lexus,Mazda 6, Integra,323ci,R34 etc. None of them drive a **** box, not because we can't afford them, because we don't want to drive cheap cars.

Even if we don't work at Maccas, We will still live prosperously w/o any worry of being broke. We work there because me and my friends have never felt how hard it is to be in the workforce as our family is just too rich to let us work. We are use to being served by our maids back in Indonesia. Besides, me and my Indonesian fellows at Maccas are currently studying in Australia we will go back to our home country one day or another, so we want to taste experiences on how those poorer than us are struggling to make a living, plus it's fun. We don't depend on Maccas as our source of income. We have more than enough money sent by our parents.

The same thing goes for me. If I don't work, I can still afford to save some money to work on the car or to buy a S2000 off the money my parents sent to me. I just want to get extra money so I can get the things I want quicker yet not depends on my parents money to get them all the time. I'm old enough to be independent and I don't want to be pampered. If I'm being an *******, I can just ask my parents to buy one for me and I'll get one in less than a week time. Or trash the FD to a pole and swipe my CC the next day at a honda dealer for a brand new S2000.

So please, never judge a book by its cover and more over, don't get too cocky just because there are people who work in a lower level than you.

I'm not trying to be an ******* here (although I might have done so), but I can't stand it after seeing more than two posts reffering to my job at mcdonalds and hence not worth to own the FD.

Oh well back to the car...

dubulup

whoa dude chill the **** out...I didn't read but the first sentences on each paragraph.

I worked at mickey d's too...it was my first job, I now hold a position in aerospace as an electrical engineer. So good for you. get your degree make some real loot (compared to minimum wage) and come back in here and see how many people bitch about an FD being expensive.

it means more if you don't ask mom and dad for some money.

cheers mate

DaiOni

All of your problems could have been solved by research in the first place. Other than that, I'll give you two pieces of information: the first is trivia: the first FD rolled off the production line late 91. The second is a little more important - if you have a legally imported (yellow plate) FD - then you could have thrown the defects in the cop's face: as stated in the dotars regulations, personal imports do NOT have to comply to australian ADRs (most cops aren't aware of this fact - so print it out at the dotars site, or go to you local registry office and ask them if they could put it in writing for you (and keep it in your glovebox).

Lastly - you might want to be a bit more honest in your 'for sale' ad - a lot of what you've posted here hasn't been mentioned - don't pass on your issues to the next buyer (and perpetuate the bad image these cars already have).

btw: your front bumper is knight sports - you didn't mention that either

DaiOni

I'll take that back about the missing info - looks like someone else has already pointed that out.

kuning

Fu, thanks for the suggestion dude.
Yeah, I've driven the S2000 before, ages ago. It was a standard and had the roof up when I tried it. I was rushing at that time so I didn't get to notice the car.really well. All I remember was the nice short shift.
But when I drove it with the roof down four days ago,thats when it bit me plus it was a modified one (Stage I) so I got to punch it to the redline. My impression was, excelent handling, very exciting with lots of enjoyment similar to playing gokarts but with more power and the unmistakable VTEC scream.

Interior is a lot different than the squeaky RX7 although they share the same philosophy of pure race car, no cup holders, tight with more room for your legs to move around, driver oriented buttons, console etc. One thing I never like is the F1 derived odo but that's just me...although sometimes I still think it looks cool. Maybe because I'm use to Mazda's design of round odometer with chrome outer rims.

Exteriorly, IMHO the s2000 is alright...well....I like the shape of an s2000 but to an extend of 'like' where as everytime I see the 7, the feeling is unexplainable, sexier lines from the front and sexy looking *** from the rear (w/o spoilers).

As for engine performance....yes stock comparo are similar within the two. One side, the FD will make more power in the long run since it's FI. As you said, dump the same ammount of money and the FD will surely produce more power output rather than n/a. On the other side, theoritically the FC20 would have a longer life span than the 13B REW with that ammount of modifications.

As for FIed s2000, I've heard of comtech and Vsomething (can't remember the name). I realize this would be fully sik, low rpm boost and vtech boost in the high RPM.But I don't know how much power this would add or how this would effect the car's characteristic in corners. Help me with this Fu.

Other S2000 pros and cons (in my point of view)
-> Convertible, chicks always love convertibles. I do too.
-> So many of modified ones here in Melbourne, Australia.
-> Won't create as much than FD
-> Would be harder for the cops to defect (smog), no chunky intercooler, nor bov.
-> newer Make Year.
-> Can go anywhere w/o worrying that something bad would happen caused by the engine.
Other FD pros and cons (in my point of view)
-> I need to wait for quite sometime. Car won't be driveable.
-> No matter how I respray the car, leather interior,etc to make the car looks new...it's still writes 1992 on the VIN.
-> Won't guarantee problems would be gone after I rebuild the engine.
-> I'll be the cops' target for revenues. Very easy to bust me coz I will have at least one mods that is considered 'unroadworthy' by the cops. E.g. Aftermarket intake and intercooler combo.

I can't think of anything else really....I'll post something else if I come accross it..
Both are cars that I like very much, both have the potentials.......

kuning

Daioni, the heater core problem happened after i put the car for sale. I had a buyer who was ready to do the transaction, but I backed off since the car's broken down.

Yes the front is Knightsports. Knock off knightsports to be exact. hence explains the unacceptable gap with the hood.

Yes, I made a mistake, the first FD is '91. Thanks for correcting me because most I know are '92.

Fumanchu

Comptech and Vortech both make supercharger kits for the car. Running 10lbs of boost and supporting mods, most s2k's dyno at around 350rwhp. There are a few guys on the forum that have lowered the compression and ran 14lbs on the blowers. That puts them over 400rwhp. It might sound expensive compared to an FD but it really isn't if you factor in how many rebuilds a FD usually has. The pulley that comes with the Vortech blower runs it at 7-8psi and puts the power at just around 300rwhp. But most buy a smaller pulley as fast as they can.


Slapping on a turbo is another option. But to squeeze any kind of real power(350rwhp+) requires the compression to be lowered.


*edit* Also there are a few dealerships in the states that warranty the s2k's with the superchargers installed. Not sure how it is out in Aus. Plus the Vortech blower is CARB legal as well. Thats the strictest smog authority thats found in California. More than likely, the Vortech will be my choice since I want to be legal.

kuning

Fu, can you list what sort of mods are required to be in that area you mentioned?

EDIT: oh, mind telling me what happened that you gave up on the FD?

Fumanchu

To be in the 350rwhp range, here is what you need...

I just copied that from someone's sig on the s2k forum. The supercharger kit is around 4-5k and that includes the aftercooler. No more than buying a single turbo kit and a intercooler kit for the FD. For maximum horsepower an AEM EMS is needed for tunning(~1k). No other mods are needed. The motor goes untouched. The misc fuel upgrades are cheap. Here is a link for the comptech blower... http://www.comptechusa.com/store/s2-sc.html ... and check out the forum http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?act=idx


When I purchased my FD, the previous owner must have overheated it. I replaced the motor and had a perfect car for the rest of the time I had it. It's not like I lost 3 motors or had it catch on fire. I just disliked all the small things that were wrong (crappy interior, prone to overheating, troubles with smog, fear of problems coming up). I was really not enjoying the car since I was always worried about it running. Thats why I switched.

kuning

I don't mind having squeky interior. What I'm affraid for my FD is that...let's say I rebuild the engine will there be any other problems that might arise on a note that I only stick to reliability modifications. Will there be anymore leak, or the such that would need me going back and forth to the workshop, tow my car or any other worries, ya know....just a normal car that would start up every now and then, serviced regularly and it will be driveable.

Coz I know if I switch to the S2000, I 'm not gonna be worry of any stuff that would brag on me eventhough I drive it hard most of the time.

edit: If option 1's answer is YES, then I will stick to the FD otherwise I have to leave the world of FD


Fu, in your point of view, with regard to power mods, which do you think is better? FD's TT (e.g. non seq, BNR) or the SCed S2000?

dclin

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If you start thinking about increasing hp 50% over what the factory designed it for, there's going to be some kind of compromise when it comes to reliability and comfort (noise, etc) - I don't care what brand or model you are talking about. At that point, it's all about degrees of compromise.

I suggest the S2000 if you plan on keeping it relatively stock. Drive it, enoy it. Don't obsess over a particular hp level.

kuning

Yes, I agree with you. As the level of modification arises, so does the term reliability becomes less popular in any modified cars. I've read threads in this website which have state similar conclusions about how much hp would be considered in the 'safe reliable' range. But that would be far from reality if I keep working on my FD. Yes, reason always comes down to money.

I did some budget calculations a couple weeks back and decided that if i'm going to keep working on the FD, I'll stop at the point of making the car as reliable as I can, intercooler/radiator combo, AST,etc. I.e. more of a restoration project and increasing reliability rather than making it a fast car.

If I decided to get the S2000, then it's a different story as the car would be well...reliable in stock form. And engine modification would lead to drop in reliabilty and I've come prepared.