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Old Jun 6, 2012 | 04:25 PM
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Here's a little video I forgot about for you to review....A little off topic but, have you ever been brake checked.....on a race track...on a straight? If you couldn't tell, John was a little upset
Definitely a newbie driving the Audi/VW or whatever it is and most certainly not safe. They teach you not to hit the brake during instruction so you don't have someone rear end you.

My guess is the guy was overwhelmed and simply wasn't aware what he was doing. He's all over the track and probably panicked. Don't think it was malicious in intent as he was waving John by. His instructor should have done a much better job in letting John pass sooner.
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Old Jun 6, 2012 | 04:33 PM
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^ That is Dan driving.
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Old Jun 6, 2012 | 05:03 PM
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^ My bad. John is the passenger
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Old Jun 7, 2012 | 04:05 PM
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I don't know what this guys driving but it's pretty quick


Oh that's right it's Dirk Mueller one of the top drivers in ALMS driving the ALMS BMW M3
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Old Jun 10, 2012 | 08:19 AM
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Fritz, just signed up with American Collector's Insurance. Same policy as with Progressive but I now have "agreed on" value versus "started" which means no haggling if something goes wrong. The best part is that the policy is less than 50% what Progressive was charging for the same coverage. MY recent Progressive renewal quote was $1,643 versus American which is $675 and this is for $50K of agreed value.
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Old Jun 10, 2012 | 10:18 AM
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Fritz, just signed up with American Collector's Insurance. Same policy as with Progressive but I now have "agreed on" value versus "started" which means no haggling if something goes wrong. The best part is that the policy is less than 50% what Progressive was charging for the same coverage. MY recent Progressive renewal quote was $1,643 versus American which is $675 and this is for $50K of agreed value.
My current Allstate rate is 578 but I have the multi car discount etc.... I'm still going to call Collectors for a quote.

Leh Keen lapping VIR full at 1.53 (hoosier R6s) in his OLOA winning GTR. 800 HP with all the goodies bolted on you can think of. This same car was at the FSR event when we were there. I doubt his ALMS P car would lap VIR any faster.

ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY SEVEN MPH INTO THE ESSES

Brent,
This will give Danny, Phil and Gil some motivation. If the 4 of them are at the UTCC I'm going down to watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=3LVS_Fw9Zlc
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Old Jun 10, 2012 | 10:25 AM
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WOW!

Im not a huge fan of GTR's, but that was seriously amazing
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Old Jun 10, 2012 | 12:54 PM
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So Fritz, what would it take to cut 10 seconds off your time? More power? Bigger brakes? Different suspension? All of the above? Dare I say it.... Different car with all of the above? And please everyone, I've tracked my FD for sometime (over 5 years) and am no where near Fritz's ability. Just starting some honest, fun, dialogue.
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Old Jun 10, 2012 | 05:44 PM
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More horsepower. I think a well set up fd with the same horsepower to weight with the same level driver as Leh Keen (as he is a very pro driver) would yield a faster lap time. Looking at speeds through the turns, with the exception of through the esses, he is slower overall at apex. As I stated already, Leh is a much better driver than we are so we know the gtr is a pig in the turns... But has stupid fast acceleration out of the turns.

Danny popp ran a 1:54.1 at the utcc in 2009 in a slower power to weight car. Itll be interesting who shows up in what this year. If Danny is in his car, I bet it's a lot faster than 2009.

Edit: Danny also ran a 1:56 in a todd rumpke's no aero c6z at last year utcc.
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Old Jun 10, 2012 | 05:52 PM
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Here is Danny at NASA nationals at mid Ohio a few years ago starting at the back.


Thunder race at VIR in July 2009(same weekend he ran the 1:54.1 at the utcc)

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Old Jun 11, 2012 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RX007CYM
So Fritz, what would it take to cut 10 seconds off your time? More power? Bigger brakes? Different suspension? All of the above? Dare I say it.... Different car with all of the above? And please everyone, I've tracked my FD for sometime (over 5 years) and am no where near Fritz's ability. Just starting some honest, fun, dialogue.
As you said all the above and then some LOL.

A 1.53 at VIR in a street car with bolt ons is Ridiculous and I don't think there's any other car that could do that which is the whole point and why GTRs are dominating the OLOA competition D Popps cars are are all out race cars. AFAIK this thing is mostly stock other than bolts ons of course it does have have everything including the kitchen sink bolted on it. Imagine how fast this GTR would be gutted with a cage etc....

To do it consistently in an FD I'd want:

LS7 heavily modded
Trans heavily modded
Rear end heavily modded

Susp:
JRZs 4 ways etc...

Chassis:
Full cage wide body kit massive wing and splitter

Tires:
315 front 335 rear hoos

Once all that's done it's really no longer an FD so I should get someones elses heavily modded race car and save the 75k I'd need to invest in my FD.

My car has a mid 2.02 in it with no changes right now. Just me being a little better behind the wheel and no traffic on a clean track.

Things I'd like to do:
Add a trans cooler

I may add a boost controller and keep the boost even to redline because it currently drops to 8 or 9 psi. However overall I'm happy with the power and seriously don't need to or want to go over 150 mph. I'll take my 8 to 1 and just try to make it corner faster which is where the majority of the driving excitement exist.

I plan to put in a full cage this winter which will make me feel more at ease and stiffen the chassis which should be good for a second.

I'll add a small front splitter/undertray at some point and possibly a bigger wing but may just look at getting taller wing stanchions (sp?).

I don't think I'll do too much with the wheels and tires because they are so expensive already and unfortunately I pay the bills At some point I may try some A6s.

With all that said it's really hard for me to imagine another car from the 90s running the lap times of my FD with just basic bolt ons added and absolutely ZERO chance of another car from the 90s and possibly anytime that's this much fun to drive
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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 06:28 AM
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Fritz, would you be painting this theoretical track car yellow???
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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by JhnRx7
Fritz, would you be painting this theoretical track car yellow???


Brent's car is actually half way there but there's a huge difference between setting up a 500 HP car and 300 HP car. I don't think he's done much with the trans or the diff and IMO his car would need some aero work, bigger brakes etc..... Keep in mind the track record for a prototype is probably a 1.42 or 3. Last year a modded prototype car won the UTCC with a 1.47.

Put a good pro driver in a modded, GT2, z51 or ACR and a 53 wouldn't be easy, the GTR is a FAST car. If he's making 800 with a stock block and no internal work that's even more impressive but I seriously doubt that.

See lap time info in the link below for stock cars (not sure about the z51 at the top I'm thinking there are some mods or tires involved lol) on VIRs grand course. Notice the GTR beating the z06 which has a much better power to weight ratio which is why when the power etc....are moved up considerably on the GTR it becomes a rocket ship.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/vi...l_raceway.html
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn
As you said all the above and then some LOL.

A 1.53 at VIR in a street car with bolt ons is Ridiculous and I don't think there's any other car that could do that which is the whole point and why GTRs are dominating the OLOA competition D Popps cars are are all out race cars. AFAIK this thing is mostly stock other than bolts ons of course it does have have everything including the kitchen sink bolted on it. Imagine how fast this GTR would be gutted with a cage etc....

To do it consistently in an FD I'd want:

LS7 heavily modded
Trans heavily modded
Rear end heavily modded

Susp:
JRZs 4 ways etc...

Chassis:
Full cage wide body kit massive wing and splitter

Tires:
315 front 335 rear hoos

Once all that's done it's really no longer an FD so I should get someones elses heavily modded race car and save the 75k I'd need to invest in my FD.

My car has a mid 2.02 in it with no changes right now. Just me being a little better behind the wheel and no traffic on a clean track.

Things I'd like to do:
Add a trans cooler

I may add a boost controller and keep the boost even to redline because it currently drops to 8 or 9 psi. However overall I'm happy with the power and seriously don't need to or want to go over 150 mph. I'll take my 8 to 1 and just try to make it corner faster which is where the majority of the driving excitement exist.

I plan to put in a full cage this winter which will make me feel more at ease and stiffen the chassis which should be good for a second.

I'll add a small front splitter/undertray at some point and possibly a bigger wing but may just look at getting taller wing stanchions (sp?).

I don't think I'll do too much with the wheels and tires because they are so expensive already and unfortunately I pay the bills At some point I may try some A6s.

With all that said it's really hard for me to imagine another car from the 90s running the lap times of my FD with just basic bolt ons added and absolutely ZERO chance of another car from the 90s and possibly anytime that's this much fun to drive
Yep, Danny's car is 100% a race car.

I found some stuff on the TSM GTR...

Note that this build thread is from 2 years ago so it's not up to date:
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/n...-begins-3.html

The TSM GTR is pretty much a full race car minus a cage(which also means it retains it's interior), JRZ suspension(I know it had it on at one point and they took them off, but I think they have high end shocks on it again... could be wrong), full aero, brakes, carbon fiber body components, etc... I'd kept hearing it has 1000whp, but either way... 800 or 1000whp... that is still alot. I'd say they have well over $100k in the car. I think the coolest thing about all of this is, after they ran the 1:53, they put street tires back on and ran a 1:56. The 1:53 is insane enough, but a 1:56 on true street tires is absolutely bonkers(and no cage)... in a t shirt. We may have to shoot him an invite to join Almost Racing. It is seriously a really well built car.

I think Ol' Red and Floppy Hat will be sub 2 very soon.

Originally Posted by JhnRx7
Fritz, would you be painting this theoretical track car yellow???


Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn


Brent's car is actually half way there but there's a huge difference between setting up a 500 HP car and 300 HP car. I don't think he's done much with the trans or the diff and IMO his car would need some aero work, bigger brakes etc..... Keep in mind the track record for a prototype is probably a 1.42 or 3. Last year a modded prototype car won the UTCC with a 1.47.

Put a good pro driver in a modded, GT2, z51 or ACR and a 53 wouldn't be easy, the GTR is a FAST car. If he's making 800 with a stock block and no internal work that's even more impressive but I seriously doubt that.

See lap time info in the link below for stock cars (not sure about the z51 at the top I'm thinking there are some mods or tires involved lol) on VIRs grand course. Notice the GTR beating the z06 which has a much better power to weight ratio which is why when the power etc....are moved up considerably on the GTR it becomes a rocket ship.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/vi...l_raceway.html
Use to be halfway there. I'm Star Wars light years away at present, but that's ok. Just need time and money. That's simple enough, right?

Yep, Aero was the main thing on the short list prior to VIR. Adamt thinks he could get another 4-5 seconds out of my car with a wing and splitter and with me cleaning up some of my body stuff. I had thought about bumping the power up since I'm no longer legal for my class, but that's the least of my concerns at the moment. Due to the impact in the front on my car, I'll have to pull the engine back out and see if it's ok.

That's the great thing about T56 transmissions... they are good for stupid amounts of horsepower/torque. They are heavy, but dead center of the car isn't a bad place to have a little weight I did use a good bit of upgraded parts in mine and is rated for like 800hp/tq. As for the rearend, I'm think it's up to the task other than maybe adding a cooler for good measure. Bill never broke one in the LPI car. He did melt the bearings though. I have the brace and the greddy cover. If it does break, it's easy to drop a cobra rearend in. I just like the way the FD's diff feels alot more.

That's interesting. I didn't realize the ZR1 had the fastest lap, even faster than the Mosler.
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 02:48 PM
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I'm thinking that ZR1 had some help.

If your car is light years away I'm in a completely different dimension

Once I have the cage in and some aero goodies a sub 2 is possible but I'm sticking with the current power and tire so it will be REALLY HARD to do. If I get completely desperate for a low lap I'll just put some Yokohama slicks on
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Old Jun 20, 2012 | 06:09 PM
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1:36.6 at VIR Full Course:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150965708502488
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Old Jun 20, 2012 | 10:25 PM
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And here I thought 2:00 was fast!

I can't wait to watch this race! Anyone hitting up the Baltimore Grand prix?
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Old Jun 20, 2012 | 10:44 PM
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Here is Wally's video from Feb or March 2011 running a 1:59 in TTS trim. He's in a C5Z with a wing, splitter, 315F/335R, better gearing, ebay headers, and some cheap coilovers:
http://vimeo.com/20208440
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Old Jul 21, 2012 | 10:24 PM
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Spring Rates for R-compounds

I'd like to change my current spring-rates: 600(f) & 475(r), as I'm getting more the 2-inches of compression on my recently rebuilt Advance-Design coil-overs.

I always run R-compounds (275/35R18's; 265/40R16's; or 245/45R16) at the track, and either run in the "red" or "instructor" groups.

I have Tri-point front sway-bar (midway) w/mounting reinforcements, stock rear sway-bar, and either Outlaw or RacingBrake BBK with DTC-60's, and the "larger" Racing Brake rear BBK with DTC-70 brake pads.

Height is 25.75-inches +/- .25" due to cross-weighting.

What spring rates would you recommend with this setup and R-compounds and/or what are you running ?

Those that are solo, or instructor level would be most applicable.

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Old Jul 21, 2012 | 11:08 PM
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<SNIP> either Outlaw or RacingBrake BBK with DTC-70's, and the "larger" Racing Brake rear BBK with DTC-60 brake pads.
Whoops, I meant DTC-70's in the front, and DTC-60's in the rear.

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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by M104-AMG

Height is 25.75-inches +/- .25" due to cross-weighting.

Shouldn't your ride height be a little bit lower? In the 25-25.25" range?
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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by M104-AMG
I'd like to change my current spring-rates: 600(f) & 475(r), as I'm getting more the 2-inches of compression on my recently rebuilt Advance-Design coil-overs.

I always run R-compounds (275/35R18's; 265/40R16's; or 245/45R16) at the track, and either run in the "red" or "instructor" groups.

I have Tri-point front sway-bar (midway) w/mounting reinforcements, stock rear sway-bar, and either Outlaw or RacingBrake BBK with DTC-60's, and the "larger" Racing Brake rear BBK with DTC-70 brake pads.

Height is 25.75-inches +/- .25" due to cross-weighting.

What spring rates would you recommend with this setup and R-compounds and/or what are you running ?

Those that are solo, or instructor level would be most applicable.

Thanks,
:-) neil
Hey Neil,

Your spring rate is perfect for the 245 45 16s but with the 265 or 275Rs you need more spring.

I think you need 700 plus and I like an equal front and rear spring setup. Your car would also really benefit from some rear down force.

I'm currently driving on the Tein Super Racing coilovers which I like and the spring rate is 780 front and rear.

I've also had 1000 front and 800 rear which is way too much front spring for any sort of wet conditions and probably too much spring for anything but 275 plus width racing slicks.

If you like a car that pushes a bit (1st pushes...gives a warning then oversteers) which most do I'd go with something like 750 front and 600 rear for the 265 plus setups.
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Old Jul 23, 2012 | 06:50 PM
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Some amazing footage but you would think with all the money spent on these fast FD track cars, you would invest in a proper video recording system lol.

LOoks like im watching a race from the 1980s lol.

Gopro hero 2's go for 250 on ebay now. We wanna see this amazing stuff in 1080 or at least 720P guys!!
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 07:42 AM
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A few more pictures of Fritz and I from the event
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NICE!!!

Some nice lean in those photos hehe

BTW my facebook account is corrupt so I'm never on there anymore. No wonder that stock is hurtin.
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