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Old 08-14-03, 11:34 PM
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Question Three Mod Rule question

I have these mods:
1. Racing Beat cat back (dual tip)
2. Down Pipe
3. Racing Beat factory intake mod

Do I need fuel management?
Does the climate I live in factor into this? (I'm in Phoenix)

I'm not looking for anything radical just to make it quick without sacrificing reliablility.

I have seen differing opinions on this......what is the current thinking?
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As long as you keep the boost to 10psi you should be ok. I wouldnt do a fourth mod until you can supliment fuel.

(i ran IC, intake, DP, CB for a while fine on stock ecu, not a smart idea however!)
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Keith, do a search on "mod rule" and you'll get a TON of info...


Originally posted by rfreeman27
i ran IC, intake, DP, CB for a while fine on stock ecu, not a smart idea however!
Why do you say that? What happened? Did you have a boost controller?
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You're fine, you don't need an ecu yet.
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So you could go way the '3 mod rule' so long as you never go above 10psi? Is that right? I mean THEORETICALLY, if someone were to have intake, dp, mp, exhaust and never went past 10psi, he's okay?



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Originally posted by Jasooner
So you could go way the '3 mod rule' so long as you never go above 10psi? Is that right? I mean THEORETICALLY, if someone were to have intake, dp, mp, exhaust and never went past 10psi, he's okay?
http://www.newwave.net/~flanham/wlan.../3modrule.html
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Originally posted by Jasooner
So you could go way the '3 mod rule' so long as you never go above 10psi? Is that right? I mean THEORETICALLY, if someone were to have intake, dp, mp, exhaust and never went past 10psi, he's okay?



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Nice mech destroying one in yours
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The racing beat intake tubing isn't very well designed. The stock airbox can be modified for much better performance. Check this thread.

https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=121491

If you keep your boost to a maximum of 10 psi, you will be ok.
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Originally posted by Jasooner
Nice mech destroying one in yours
wow.. I am surprised someone knew what that was.. can you name the model mech now?
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Timber Wolf or Mad Cat for the inner sphere type.
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i wouldnt risk it. get an ecu.
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keep it at 10 and you'll be fine. although if you spike you could kill you engine.
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isn't it hard as hell to keep it under 10 psi? that's like driving like a granny... I'm in the same boat as well, I just dropped in a new engine with intake and exhaust mods. Don't have the money now but soon I will get a M2 or Pettite ECU. Better then risking running lean and damageing my engine.
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I ran that setup for a while on the stock ecu...just keep your boost at or real close to stock levels and you should be fine....

As for the 3 mod rule...it's pretty much BS because every FD reacts a bit different to mods...one car with a DP may hold the stock boost levels and then another cause spikes like crazy...really hard to tell...Just watch you boost.
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Originally posted by SWAT81
isn't it hard as hell to keep it under 10 psi? that's like driving like a granny...
Uhh...that's what a boost controller is for.

You won't run lean with the stock ecu with those mods. Period. If you guys won't believe us veterans, go to a dyno with an accurate wideband (and make sure on that point, the last dyno I went to, their sensor was reading at least a whole point lean) and see for yourself what your A/F ratios are. You will see we are right.
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How about the climate question......any thoughts
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Originally posted by KeithC
How about the climate question......any thoughts
The only thing that really has to do with modifications is your cooling system.

I've I lived in AZ (I used to and I wish I was there now), I would definitely have an upgraded radiator and a vented hood.
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altitude has a lot more of an effect than climate.
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Originally posted by scratchjunkie
i wouldnt risk it. get an ecu.
i agree. i'm on 3 mods (DP,Hiflow,and catback) and am about to do the ECU next. I imagine my car would run better if I had done it sooner...ie I sometimes have problems when I'm idiling or doing short traffic jam jumps.
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If you don't have a boost gauge, you should borrow or buy one. You don't have to install it. Just hook it up to your manifold nipple, run a hose thru the window, and check your boost. You NEED to know what it is to see if you are approaching danger.
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