some new pics of my car with Borbet type T's
02-21-05, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by cruiser
Borbet wheels ? They are considered as budget (read low quality and heavy) wheels.
I dont get it why everyone is drooling about them
Did you weigh them ?
I dont get it why everyone is drooling about them
Did you weigh them ?
I personaly am a 5 spoke fan, I love how they look on a FD.
Just my 2 cents.
02-21-05, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by herblenny
Oakridge.. I wish I would of seen your car @ the Deals Gap. We acturally waited @ the scenic area for 30minutes or so.. then we took off. Maybe next time.
The car looks great!
The car looks great!
LOL! well we waited on the other side for you for 30 min. also!
02-22-05, 01:07 AM
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I think your adr's looked better to me...perhaps I'll change my mind when i see them in person.
**** yeah, another one of these guys... 
These 'cheap" wheels might weigh a bit more than some volks or whatever else you might want to run. I weighed my 18x8.5 (yes, god, a big heavy 18" wheel, blasphemy to the rotary gods) adr (budget, low quality) wheel with tire, at 48lb. You could likely get a volk or something (expensive, higher quality) wheel with tire to weigh in at 37-40lb. So you've saved a whopping 8-10lb per corner...40lb for the whole car. But, you spent an additional $1000-2000 to save that 30-40lb.
They say that every 100lb you can save nets you .1 second in the 1/4. And, if Im not mistaken, every ~10hp you gain nets you that same .1 second. So, that $1000-2000 you spent (versus the cost of "budget" wheels) netted you a whopping 0.04 seconds in the quarter. Anyone here can name several power mods you can accomplish for less than $300 that can net you more than 10hp/0.1 seconds, which has just vastly exceeded the $1000+ you spent on your wheel selection.
Oh, so straight line/speed isnt your thing, you want to throw the whole "rotating intertia/unsprung weight" card out there. Fine. Your $1000-2000 investment might have gained a hundredth of a point in skidpad performance. Invest that same $1000-2000 into actual suspension upgrades...springs, struts, bushings, etc. You can easily gain tenths of a point in skidpad performance this way.
I see no valid points for worrying about 10lb of wheel weight on a street car. I'm sure some of you will try to show me the error of my ways. This ought to be entertaining.
Borbet wheels ? They are considered as budget (read low quality and heavy) wheels.
These 'cheap" wheels might weigh a bit more than some volks or whatever else you might want to run. I weighed my 18x8.5 (yes, god, a big heavy 18" wheel, blasphemy to the rotary gods) adr (budget, low quality) wheel with tire, at 48lb. You could likely get a volk or something (expensive, higher quality) wheel with tire to weigh in at 37-40lb. So you've saved a whopping 8-10lb per corner...40lb for the whole car. But, you spent an additional $1000-2000 to save that 30-40lb.
They say that every 100lb you can save nets you .1 second in the 1/4. And, if Im not mistaken, every ~10hp you gain nets you that same .1 second. So, that $1000-2000 you spent (versus the cost of "budget" wheels) netted you a whopping 0.04 seconds in the quarter. Anyone here can name several power mods you can accomplish for less than $300 that can net you more than 10hp/0.1 seconds, which has just vastly exceeded the $1000+ you spent on your wheel selection.
Oh, so straight line/speed isnt your thing, you want to throw the whole "rotating intertia/unsprung weight" card out there. Fine. Your $1000-2000 investment might have gained a hundredth of a point in skidpad performance. Invest that same $1000-2000 into actual suspension upgrades...springs, struts, bushings, etc. You can easily gain tenths of a point in skidpad performance this way.
I see no valid points for worrying about 10lb of wheel weight on a street car. I'm sure some of you will try to show me the error of my ways. This ought to be entertaining.
02-22-05, 01:13 AM
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Its said that about every 100 pounds of unsprung weight nets you about .1 second. Sprung weight is a whole other matter. If you can save 40 pounds of unsprung weight you'll notice more than .1 second off your 1/4 times.
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02-22-05, 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection
I think your adr's looked better to me...perhaps I'll change my mind when i see them in person.
**** yeah, another one of these guys...
These 'cheap" wheels might weigh a bit more than some volks or whatever else you might want to run. I weighed my 18x8.5 (yes, god, a big heavy 18" wheel, blasphemy to the rotary gods) adr (budget, low quality) wheel with tire, at 48lb. You could likely get a volk or something (expensive, higher quality) wheel with tire to weigh in at 37-40lb. So you've saved a whopping 8-10lb per corner...40lb for the whole car. But, you spent an additional $1000-2000 to save that 30-40lb.
They say that every 100lb you can save nets you .1 second in the 1/4. And, if Im not mistaken, every ~10hp you gain nets you that same .1 second. So, that $1000-2000 you spent (versus the cost of "budget" wheels) netted you a whopping 0.04 seconds in the quarter. Anyone here can name several power mods you can accomplish for less than $300 that can net you more than 10hp/0.1 seconds, which has just vastly exceeded the $1000+ you spent on your wheel selection.
Oh, so straight line/speed isnt your thing, you want to throw the whole "rotating intertia/unsprung weight" card out there. Fine. Your $1000-2000 investment might have gained a hundredth of a point in skidpad performance. Invest that same $1000-2000 into actual suspension upgrades...springs, struts, bushings, etc. You can easily gain tenths of a point in skidpad performance this way.
I see no valid points for worrying about 10lb of wheel weight on a street car. I'm sure some of you will try to show me the error of my ways. This ought to be entertaining.
**** yeah, another one of these guys...
These 'cheap" wheels might weigh a bit more than some volks or whatever else you might want to run. I weighed my 18x8.5 (yes, god, a big heavy 18" wheel, blasphemy to the rotary gods) adr (budget, low quality) wheel with tire, at 48lb. You could likely get a volk or something (expensive, higher quality) wheel with tire to weigh in at 37-40lb. So you've saved a whopping 8-10lb per corner...40lb for the whole car. But, you spent an additional $1000-2000 to save that 30-40lb.
They say that every 100lb you can save nets you .1 second in the 1/4. And, if Im not mistaken, every ~10hp you gain nets you that same .1 second. So, that $1000-2000 you spent (versus the cost of "budget" wheels) netted you a whopping 0.04 seconds in the quarter. Anyone here can name several power mods you can accomplish for less than $300 that can net you more than 10hp/0.1 seconds, which has just vastly exceeded the $1000+ you spent on your wheel selection.
Oh, so straight line/speed isnt your thing, you want to throw the whole "rotating intertia/unsprung weight" card out there. Fine. Your $1000-2000 investment might have gained a hundredth of a point in skidpad performance. Invest that same $1000-2000 into actual suspension upgrades...springs, struts, bushings, etc. You can easily gain tenths of a point in skidpad performance this way.
I see no valid points for worrying about 10lb of wheel weight on a street car. I'm sure some of you will try to show me the error of my ways. This ought to be entertaining.
02-22-05, 01:19 AM
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Those wheels do suit the car pretty well. As a matter of fact, I also just bought a white FD this weekend, and am looking for a wheel upgrade. Does anyone run the Borbet Type E, and if so how about some pics?
Yes, Borbet is a low priced wheel, but being German they are made to meet the TUV standards...which probably makes them structurally better than equivalent priced wheels, like Konigs and stuff. Plus they have a clean look that works with an FD, and will likely not be dated looking in a couple years.
Yes, Borbet is a low priced wheel, but being German they are made to meet the TUV standards...which probably makes them structurally better than equivalent priced wheels, like Konigs and stuff. Plus they have a clean look that works with an FD, and will likely not be dated looking in a couple years.
02-22-05, 07:22 AM
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RotaryRessurection, your math only works out when you compare prices of new wheels. Nowdays you can get yourself a nice set of used lightweight alloys for a reasonable price that shouldnt make the few thousand $$$ difference you are talking about.
And dont talk about unsprung weight as if its nothing. Are you talking out of experience here ?
Dane: The fact that Borbet wheels are made in Germany doesnt mean anything actually, nor does the TUV mean much. They are heavy *** wheels, but if you are after looks then they are a good purchase.
And dont talk about unsprung weight as if its nothing. Are you talking out of experience here ?
Dane: The fact that Borbet wheels are made in Germany doesnt mean anything actually, nor does the TUV mean much. They are heavy *** wheels, but if you are after looks then they are a good purchase.
02-22-05, 11:43 AM
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RotaryRessurection, your math only works out when you compare prices of new wheels. Nowdays you can get yourself a nice set of used lightweight alloys for a reasonable price that shouldnt make the few thousand $$$ difference you are talking about.
New, a set of volks and decent tires will run $3500+. New, a set of adr's or something with decent tires will run $1750.
Used, that same set of volks with tires will run $2500. Used, that same set of adr's will run $800-1000. The difference is still the same. You're trying to sway things in your favor by comparing apples to oranges, used versus new.
And dont talk about unsprung weight as if its nothing.
02-22-05, 11:52 AM
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well, i guess i could lose 40 lbs around my waist to make up for my cheap wheels. LOL!
you know, I used to like posting on this board, but there are so many haters on here, it has become a pain in the *** to even read these posts.
you know, I used to like posting on this board, but there are so many haters on here, it has become a pain in the *** to even read these posts.
02-22-05, 11:58 AM
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you know, I used to like posting on this board, but there are so many haters on here, it has become a pain in the *** to even read these posts.
02-22-05, 12:04 PM
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this place is like the haters ball! Who wants to be Buck Nasty(for those of you who dont know, its a chappel show skit)
There aint much more to say about your wheels that aint already been said about Afghanistan, they look all bombed out and depleted. Biatch!
There aint much more to say about your wheels that aint already been said about Afghanistan, they look all bombed out and depleted. Biatch!
02-22-05, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection
But, you spent an additional $1000-2000 to save that 30-40lb.
rotoboy did just that; get it direct.
again, it's all in the research and patience... well networking works as well
02-22-05, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahjik
Really, unless you are competing (autox, timed HPDE's) and shaving milliseconds of your times, the "light weight" rim thing is almost pointless. You don't (or shouldn't) drive these cars like they are on a track, on the streets.
No, No, No. That is rational thinking and well we just dont do that on the internet.LOL
02-22-05, 09:44 PM
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I guess my question got lost in the mess...does anyone have some Borbet Type E's, and if so, can I see pics. Also, where did you get your T's - Tire Rack no longer shows them.
Yes, I like those "heavy" wheels, so what? My car will not cry in pain as if it were in shackles, especially since I don't race. Oops - I am really about to get flamed now most likely.
Yes, I like those "heavy" wheels, so what? My car will not cry in pain as if it were in shackles, especially since I don't race. Oops - I am really about to get flamed now most likely.
02-22-05, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection
I agree fully. Believe it or not, you could likely go to a mustang board and post your pics, and get more positive comments than you did here...among your rotary brethren.
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02-22-05, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahjik
Really, unless you are competing (autox, timed HPDE's) and shaving milliseconds of your times, the "light weight" rim thing is almost pointless. You don't (or shouldn't) drive these cars like they are on a track, on the streets.
. so why does everyone bitch when people put 80lb chrom spinners on their FD... the looks are their personal preference, and if unsprung weight is not an issue for "street cars" then why all the negative words (not to say that i support spinners on any car, but just making a point)
02-23-05, 07:40 AM
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that's not true. call mackin industries. you can get a set of volks w/ decent width and offset for roughly around 6-8 bills. these type of wheels get so expensive because of what we call "middleman"
rotoboy did just that; get it direct.
again, it's all in the research and patience... well networking works as well
rotoboy did just that; get it direct.
again, it's all in the research and patience... well networking works as well
Hell, post up the connection info then (as isn't that what the forum is for?). I've priced CE28N's before and never found any place really cheaper than anoother. If you are saying people can get a full set of Volks *new* for under $1k USD, post up the info on how to do so as I know a TON of people who would be ordering immediately. Hell, I'd order a set for track rims at that price right now.
Originally Posted by RotorMotor
i do . so why does everyone bitch when people put 80lb chrom spinners on their FD... the looks are their personal preference, and if unsprung weight is not an issue for "street cars" then why all the negative words (not to say that i support spinners on any car, but just making a point)
. so why does everyone bitch when people put 80lb chrom spinners on their FD... the looks are their personal preference, and if unsprung weight is not an issue for "street cars" then why all the negative words (not to say that i support spinners on any car, but just making a point)Most people of the people I've seen complain about people using heavy rims also slam huge stereos in their FD's as well. The simple truth is that there are VERY few people on this forum that actually compete with their cars. In only those situation will weight savings actually get your money's worth.