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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 03:34 PM
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i also presume i have the first 1995 touring kinda thing going on...
I presume you have a 1993 touring kinda thing going on... and so would any buyer or lending institution.

BTW, how did you determine that you had a '95 interior vs '94? '94s came with dual air bags and all black interiors as well.
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Nathan Kwok
That's very interesting. If it was a stolen '93 that wouldn't explain the carfax report. Everything does suggest that it was built in '93 and then somehow was torn back down and rebuilt again at the factory. Maybe it was shipped to a dealer, damaged somehow while on the lot, and then returned to the factory for a rebuild without ever being registered. Although there is no shipping record back in '93 this may have simply been missed by CARFAX.
no no no, you buy the wrecked 93, back then carfax didnt exist, then you put the 93 vin and license on the stolen car.
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 06:12 PM
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Wow, what a lot of overactive imaginations.

First, all we have to go on are the assertions by the original poster that he has several parts from a newer car ('94 or '95) on his '93. Until I see a picture of the rear subframe and a part number for the ABS unit, the only thing I'm convinced of is that someone liked a black interior better than tan. The car is still a '93.

Second, even if the vehicle was damaged prior to sale, it would not be sent back to Mazda for repair. It would be repaired at the dealership (or farmed out to a local auto body specialist if they didn't have on-site facilities) and repaired, or totalled by their insurance if the damage was sufficiently severe.

More likely, if the car was kept overseas and not exported (like mine was) during the production year it was originally built in, Mazda may have updated some of the interior and safety equipment (like the ABS unit) to meet newer regulations or to avoid warranty replacement of issues already known (like the flaking '93 interior panels). That would explain the second air bag and a newer ABS unit, but it still doesn't make the car a '95.
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by j9fd3s
no no no, you buy the wrecked 93, back then carfax didnt exist, then you put the 93 vin and license on the stolen car.
I'm still weirded out by the shipping record from '95. Maybe that's just wrong. If someone snatched a VIN tag from a wrecked '93 then I can't see why there would be a shipping record from '95 associated with that VIN. If the VIN was switched over carfax would begin reporting errornous data only from the point where the switch was made, and I doubt the car was stolen before it was shipped to the States. Can we get a copy of that report?
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
Wow, what a lot of overactive imaginations.

First, all we have to go on are the assertions by the original poster that he has several parts from a newer car ('94 or '95) on his '93. Until I see a picture of the rear subframe and a part number for the ABS unit, the only thing I'm convinced of is that someone liked a black interior better than tan. The car is still a '93.

Second, even if the vehicle was damaged prior to sale, it would not be sent back to Mazda for repair. It would be repaired at the dealership (or farmed out to a local auto body specialist if they didn't have on-site facilities) and repaired, or totalled by their insurance if the damage was sufficiently severe.

More likely, if the car was kept overseas and not exported (like mine was) during the production year it was originally built in, Mazda may have updated some of the interior and safety equipment (like the ABS unit) to meet newer regulations or to avoid warranty replacement of issues already known (like the flaking '93 interior panels). That would explain the second air bag and a newer ABS unit, but it still doesn't make the car a '95.

yep, hows that go? pics or it didnt happen?
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 03:22 AM
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Best of both worlds. call it a 1994.....
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 04:09 AM
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Maybe they got it fixed with out being reported?
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 10:57 AM
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If you have the money:
(1) Buy a junker US FD
(2) Ship it to Japan for restoration
(3) Have it rebuilt to later specs or swap vins with a 2002 FD
(4) Ship back the 2002 to US, and entry will be a breeze due to having all the documents that it is a US car that was shiped to Japan for restroration.
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 10:59 AM
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Big debate on this car. I work at a Mazda dealer and hopefully I can shed some light on this VIN.

JM1FD3315P0205537

Model / Year RX7 TR P / 1993
Exterior Color PX - BRILLIANT BLACK-HI/R
Interior Color E3 - TAN
Assembly Date 04/26/1992
Retail Date 10/03/1992

There was also work done on the vehicle on 4/11/2005 when the car had 77,786 miles on it. So if the milage looks in line with what is currently on the car I would venture to say it probably jus had a facelift.

I hope this helps.

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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 11:03 AM
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Wait, sorry to but in here, but 93 r1's never came with all black interior? mines all black...wtf anyway i like it better...
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Snowblind113
Best of both worlds. call it a 1994.....
Why not just call it a '93, since it is a '93, and quit trying to make it sound like it's a newer car than it really is? In 2008, who gives a **** whether it's a '95 or a '93. It's still old.

My sister has the same "one-up" problem. She bought a 1999 Mercedes Benz several years ago, but told everyone it was a 2001. She now drives a 2005 Escalade but tells everyone it's a 2007.

Originally Posted by seanfd3s
Maybe they got it fixed without being reported?
Didn't I already cover that possibility?

Originally Posted by cewrx7r1
If you have the money:
(1) Buy a junker US FD
(2) Ship it to Japan for restoration
(3) Have it rebuilt to later specs or swap vins with a 2002 FD
(4) Ship back the 2002 to US, and entry will be a breeze due to having all the documents that it is a US car that was [shipped] to Japan for [restoration].
How would you have them "swap VINs" with a 2002 FD when VINs are used in the United States only and don't exist for '96+ FDs?

Why not just buy a 2002 JDM FD and have it imported, inspected, and issued a new VIN? A '93 exiting the country isn't going to be issued a new VIN on re-entry, no matter what parts it has on it. It's still a '93 when it comes back as far as the DOL is concerned.

Originally Posted by Rotors R Cool
Wait, sorry to [butt] in here, but 93 r1's never came with all black interior? mines all black...
All R-models (R1, R2) came with black interiors.

Originally Posted by Black93REW
Retail Date 10/03/1992
I don't think that anyone understands that this data proves without question that any non-standard parts on the car were added after the original sale, and were not installed by Mazda.
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 01:20 PM
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Someone could have stole it, and ripped te vins off a 93 car that was wrecked and then registered it. Pretty simple.
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
All R-models (R1, R2) came with black interiors.
So you're saying all 1993 FD base models had tan interior? I guess I learned something about my car today since its a 93 base with all black interior.
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbo II FC
So you're saying all 1993 FD base models had tan interior? I guess I learned something about my car today since its a 93 base with all black interior.
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyinFINN
Someone could have stole it, and ripped te vins off a 93 car that was wrecked and then registered it. Pretty simple.
The only problem with that is the fact that the VIN in the engine bay is molded into the firewall. Kinda hard to rip it off....
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbo II FC
So you're saying all 1993 FD base models had tan interior? I guess I learned something about my car today since its a 93 base with all black interior.

I think he was just stating that all R1 & R2 models had black interiors. Base models and touring models had other interior color options (Black, Tan, Red).
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 02:53 PM
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Yeah, not that easy to "rip off" the engine bay VIN, or to cut out and weld in a new one without someone noticing.

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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbo II FC
So you're saying all 1993 FD base models had tan interior?
Did you even read your own post?

Wait, sorry to [butt] in here, but 93 r1's never came with all black interior? mines all black...
Now, can you understand why someone would A) confirm that all R-models (1993 R1, 1994-1995 R2) had black interiors to answer your question, and B) assume that you had a 1993 R1 based on the following sentence?
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 09:47 PM
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Old Apr 24, 2008 | 12:00 AM
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Yeah I have the same deal with this but not as much though. Turns out my 94 has the 97 stock twins in. Most likely done under warranty by Mazda
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Old Apr 24, 2008 | 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveDanger1214
Turns out my 94 has the 97 stock twins in.
Mazda didn't change the turbos until 1999, so there's no difference...
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Old Apr 24, 2008 | 07:21 AM
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I could cut and weld that vin plate easy and you would never know. Or grind it down and just restamp it. That's childs play.
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Old Apr 24, 2008 | 11:09 AM
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We are getting into a probable/possible debate. While it is possible that someone re-vin'd the vehicle it is not probable. What is more likely is that it just got an update some where in it's life.
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Old Apr 24, 2008 | 11:19 AM
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After reading this thread I don't remember what year we are in.
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Old Apr 24, 2008 | 12:36 PM
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From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by jimlab
Mazda didn't change the turbos until 1999, so there's no difference...
the turbos were stamped with numbers, the early ones are n3a1, and then i think theres an n3a1 with a letter, like n3a1a or something. which is like 95ish, and theres a third, n3c1.

theres also 2 styles of actuator the "green" is dark, greenish cad plating. the pills are in the vacuum lines with these.

the later (97-98?) ones are a gold cad plate and have the pills in the actuator.

functionally the turbo's are all the same though until mazda introduced the n3g1 in late 98.

if we were dealing with a ferrari this info wouldnt be totally useless...
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