RX7's and Supras rivalry ... whats the deal?
10-18-02, 07:38 PM
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Sorry guys but Supras are ugly. It's sorta like a trans am, just big, scary, ugly cars that no one wants to mess with. RX7s on the other hand is a beautiful car that everyone wants to toy with, same goes for the 300ZX. Seems like Rx7 owners buy there cars for the classical rotary engine, and racing abilites. Supra owners seem to buy there cars because it's a somewhat pricey sports car, and it's rare
10-18-02, 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by nmo93
i've had the chance for the past week to drive my bro's 94 supra quite alot. it's bpu w/ a fmic (some guys include this in the bpu but just wanted to be clear). so i'll give a couple of thoughts:
1 the supra in no way is ugly. it might be big and oafy, but the curves on it are incredible esp when you get a body kit.
2 it is a BIG car. when driving up on the freeway it feels huge compared to my fd and took a little while to get use to.
3 the car is a freeway monster. before he got his fmic, we raced from a 70-~120 mph roll 3 times. my mods are in my sig, and on low boost he pulled ever so slightly on me. but on high boost he easily put 2 car lengths on me.
4 toyota makes reliable cars from their old school corrola, celica to the supra. there are no "reliability mods" to do first, and is easy to make big numbers out of it w/ not alot of $
5 everyone will say the rx7 will outhandle the supra and is so much better in the twisties but i don't see how it is. according to motor trend the fd had .91 g and the supra had .93g with nearly identical slalom speed.
http://www.mkiv.com/publications/mot...4/mt594_08.jpg
so by no means is the rx7 so superior to the supra. i'm not a professional driver, but i think they handle just about the same and would agree with what greenhornet said about driving them.
what it comes down to is personal preference. it seems like alot of the time it comes down to the styling of the two cars for people's choices. i prefer my rx7, i like the way it handles and love driving it. but when i want to stomp on cars on the freeway i'll take the supra out. just my .02
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i've had the chance for the past week to drive my bro's 94 supra quite alot. it's bpu w/ a fmic (some guys include this in the bpu but just wanted to be clear). so i'll give a couple of thoughts:
1 the supra in no way is ugly. it might be big and oafy, but the curves on it are incredible esp when you get a body kit.
2 it is a BIG car. when driving up on the freeway it feels huge compared to my fd and took a little while to get use to.
3 the car is a freeway monster. before he got his fmic, we raced from a 70-~120 mph roll 3 times. my mods are in my sig, and on low boost he pulled ever so slightly on me. but on high boost he easily put 2 car lengths on me.
4 toyota makes reliable cars from their old school corrola, celica to the supra. there are no "reliability mods" to do first, and is easy to make big numbers out of it w/ not alot of $
5 everyone will say the rx7 will outhandle the supra and is so much better in the twisties but i don't see how it is. according to motor trend the fd had .91 g and the supra had .93g with nearly identical slalom speed.
http://www.mkiv.com/publications/mot...4/mt594_08.jpg
so by no means is the rx7 so superior to the supra. i'm not a professional driver, but i think they handle just about the same and would agree with what greenhornet said about driving them.
what it comes down to is personal preference. it seems like alot of the time it comes down to the styling of the two cars for people's choices. i prefer my rx7, i like the way it handles and love driving it. but when i want to stomp on cars on the freeway i'll take the supra out. just my .02
nick
"With the exceptions of top speed, speed at the end of the quarter mile, and 0-30 and 0-40 mph times, our RX-7 R1 beat the Acura NSX in every objective performance test--and costs about half as much. [...] The RX-7 explodes out of corners. [...] The RX-7's boost builds so rapidly it's easy to find yourself in tire-spinning power oversteer. [...] The new RX-7 is just gawdawful fast. It won the important acceleration contest with a 5.2 second 0-60 mph time, turned in a monumental 0.98g on the skidpad, and blew everything else away in lapping around Willow Springs Raceway. Especially in its R1 package, which we had, this is about the raciest feeling thing you can buy and still screw on a license plate. On the race track, it had ferocious cornering power, but seemed to get the biggest edge with enormous jump off the corners." - Motor Trend 4/92
"The RX-7 can do almost anything the best sports cars can do, but better--it accelerates quicker, stops shorter, corners harder, and is faster around a racetrack than almost anything this side of $50,000, and a whole lot of things on the far side of that. As one tester put it, "It sticks to the road like tar on a rocker panel." - Motor Trend 8/92
"The new RX-7 R1 blitzed the Bang portion of Bang for the Buck III. [...] The RX-7's performance was like having an MIT grad student, as a prank, enroll in Calculus I at a junior college. For instance, in lateral acceleration, its advantage over second place equaled second place's advantage over 15th place. [...] Our editors' notes sound like a movie ad: "Spectacular... the best... fabulous in all areas", said one editor before coming down from an adrenaline high. "By far the best track car here, maybe of all time", said another. [...] The RX-7 didn't just win the numbers game, it humiliated the field [...] Its stats read like a sports car's wish list [...] It was also rated first in Fun Factor, with an almost perfect 99.57 score" - Motor Trend 9/92
"The only cars that get around Sears Point International Raceway hill loop much faster have numbers on their doors. [...] The RX-7 may be a performance high-water mark for years to come. [...] The RX-7's performance is awe-inspiring: It's within 1 foot of being the shortest-stopping street car we've ever tested; [...] and grips the road harder than the best race cars of only a few years ago. [...] This is the best hardcore sports car in its price range, maybe in any price range. [...] The RX-7 redefines road manners for its class; the handling feels nimble and natural [...] No sports car in its price range delivers the same level of sensory gratification for the enthusiast driver." - Motor Trend 2/93 naming the Mazda RX-7 1993 Import Car of the Year
10-18-02, 07:41 PM
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True....my dumbass has already spent like 6k on just repairs....blame that on Alhambra Mazda...better yet blame it on myself for taking there! LOL...my girlfriend gives me dirty looks every now and then when I want to spend money on my FD...well at least my FD will never cheat on me hehe..
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10-18-02, 08:07 PM
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My friend's Supra
In no way do I think you can say Supras are ugly. Their design is just completely different. The first "fast" car I ever rode in was my friend's Supra below. I loved it. I still love riding in it. He drove my Rx when I first got it and complared it to like a go-cart, but still loved how it handled. But the Supra is beautiful too.
10-18-02, 08:32 PM
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Zero Banger, I'm sold (as if I wasn't already) Damn I want a seven
"The RX-7's performance was like having an MIT grad student, as a prank, enroll in Calculus I at a junior college"
"Our editors' notes sound like a movie ad: "Spectacular... the best... fabulous in all areas", said one editor before coming down from an adrenaline high. "By far the best track car here, maybe of all time", "
Are you allowed to marry your car?
"The RX-7's performance was like having an MIT grad student, as a prank, enroll in Calculus I at a junior college"
"Our editors' notes sound like a movie ad: "Spectacular... the best... fabulous in all areas", said one editor before coming down from an adrenaline high. "By far the best track car here, maybe of all time", "
Are you allowed to marry your car?
10-18-02, 08:49 PM
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[i]
- launching is impossible... please reffer to joke below:
Q: What does a 500hp Supra, a 700hp Supra and a 900hp Supra have in common?
A: 12 second time-slips!
[B]
- launching is impossible... please reffer to joke below:
Q: What does a 500hp Supra, a 700hp Supra and a 900hp Supra have in common?
A: 12 second time-slips!
[B]
10-18-02, 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by DamonB
First there was Ford vs. Chevy, now it's RX-7 vs. ugly *** Supra
First there was Ford vs. Chevy, now it's RX-7 vs. ugly *** Supra
They both have potential......then again it comes down to taste
10-18-02, 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by artguy
300z's are slow and their dash is ugly...
id take a supra over that car any day of the week.
granted the 300 has a more timeless body style IMHO.
j
300z's are slow and their dash is ugly...
id take a supra over that car any day of the week.
granted the 300 has a more timeless body style IMHO.
j
I would take a supra over a 300ZX also. Then sell it and get 3 300ZX's, 2 FD's, or 4-5 civics
Hell, I'd take a a semi over a supra but it doesn't mean I'll be sporting it to the malls
10-18-02, 10:03 PM
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i'm a 7 guy my self but come on people. at least there side are scoop to the disk breaks are real. not saying that you can't make the rx7s real but come on people. every aspect of the supra was put there for a reason. my brother has a supra and man it pulls like a beast. i've been in a few 7s i've been in a few supras. when it comes down to a race its all about the driver. the cars handle the same and pull off the line like bats out of hell. i'm sure the driving takes different charateristics but what 2 different cars don't. all together we should be against ricers and big blocks. its impossible to compare the two cars because they are soo different and the things that you can compare are the things that they are neck and neck in(i.e.0-60, lat g, slolom etc,etc,ect,). and on another note. i'm tired of 300zx owners trying to compare there cars to the rx7 and supra. they aren't on that level nor where they made to be. the nissan skyline was ment to compete with the 7 and supra. not the 300zx. the 300zx was made to compete with the all-trac/gt4 celica. even on that level they got there asses handed to them by the celica. over all the supra is a bad *** car be it a "pig" as some of you call it or not. without the supra jap cars would not have the respect that they get.
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10-18-02, 10:08 PM
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Re: RX7's and Supras rivalry ... whats the deal?
Originally posted by Hexalite
its beauty. Some of my friends have Supras and 300ZX's and they tend to bash RX7 and its rotary engine. As i said i'm a newbie so i usually just nod and go by my business. Main reason i'm sticking with RX7 thought is cos i think it has the best bodydesign and i bet this is one of the cars that will never age in sence of the bodydesign.
its beauty. Some of my friends have Supras and 300ZX's and they tend to bash RX7 and its rotary engine. As i said i'm a newbie so i usually just nod and go by my business. Main reason i'm sticking with RX7 thought is cos i think it has the best bodydesign and i bet this is one of the cars that will never age in sence of the bodydesign.
The bashing typically comes from jealously and immaturity.
The RX-7 and Supra (turbo only) are definantly in the same league. Good handling, acceleration, and top speed. The RX-7 does handle better, much more nimble, obviously with a 500+ pound advantage.
As for bodydesign, its your choice. I love the looks of the 3rd gen, but the supra isnt exactly ugly (except rear end
). i think the RX-7 is a timeless design that is more elegant (think Ferrari) than the supra or 300zx
10-18-02, 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by blackknight
i'm a 7 guy my self but come on people. at least there side are scoop to the disk breaks are real. not saying that you can't make the rx7s real but come on people. every aspect of the supra was put there for a reason. blahb alhb alhbkka
i'm a 7 guy my self but come on people. at least there side are scoop to the disk breaks are real. not saying that you can't make the rx7s real but come on people. every aspect of the supra was put there for a reason. blahb alhb alhbkka
The side scoop on the RX-7 is for hot air to vent from the oil coolers. or is it brakes. Either way, the air enters the front, passed over the oil coolers or brakes and the hot air exits the side scoop.
10-18-02, 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by ISUposs
agreed, the supra isn't ugly, but next to a FD3S it might look that way
the supra is quite a bit "bigger" car. the only thing that i really don't like is the headlights
but the taillights make up for it.
agreed, the supra isn't ugly, but next to a FD3S it might look that way
the supra is quite a bit "bigger" car. the only thing that i really don't like is the headlights
but the taillights make up for it.
I love the design of the 7. I has actually led to a few intimate evenings with ladies were attracted to the car.
10-18-02, 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by artguy
what about that butt *** ugly rx8 and its undertorqued hamster under the hood?
j
what about that butt *** ugly rx8 and its undertorqued hamster under the hood?
j
As for looks, I like the new 8 too, although I am not yet sure about the black paint that crosses the two doors at the b-pillar.
10-18-02, 10:43 PM
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This thread is going to get nasty.
You cant do any RX7 vs SUPRA thread or RX7 vs S2000 threads without having a flame war. Grap your popcorn, the next 20 pages will be funny.
You cant do any RX7 vs SUPRA thread or RX7 vs S2000 threads without having a flame war. Grap your popcorn, the next 20 pages will be funny.
10-18-02, 10:46 PM
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Honestly both cars bone stock (looks) don't impress me. The day I bought my FD (stock) it was sitting beside a stock Supra TT with it's known spoiler. I honestly thought the Supra looked better But after putting on some rims (actually the red Supra above with body kit has the same rims as me) and eh......uh...uhhum...a "Supra wing" I think my car is the best looking car around here. I know this wing is hated by most FD guys but it actually looks better on the FD than the Supra because of the roundness of the back of the FD. Supras are highway monsters but so are modified FDs. 118-120 mph traps can be achieved without a single turbo in a FD - same as a Supra. Performance wise (especially modified) they are in their own league compared to the other Japanese cars. Both cars should be given their due respect, Sure, FDs have reliability issues - however, from what I've heard, Supra owners have been known to have new or rebuilt short blocks after headaches of modding
But after putting on some rims (actually the red Supra above with body kit has the same rims as me) and eh......uh...uhhum...a "Supra wing" I think my car is the best looking car around here. I know this wing is hated by most FD guys but it actually looks better on the FD than the Supra because of the roundness of the back of the FD. Supras are highway monsters but so are modified FDs. 118-120 mph traps can be achieved without a single turbo in a FD - same as a Supra. Performance wise (especially modified) they are in their own league compared to the other Japanese cars. Both cars should be given their due respect, Sure, FDs have reliability issues - however, from what I've heard, Supra owners have been known to have new or rebuilt short blocks after headaches of modding
10-18-02, 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by GlassHouseRX7
what, an rx7 vs a s2000, ok maybe I am hoping a can of worms but I have driven an s2k and was not that impressed I would take a seven over a s2k ne day
what, an rx7 vs a s2000, ok maybe I am hoping a can of worms but I have driven an s2k and was not that impressed I would take a seven over a s2k ne day
The RX7 has two main rivals. Interms of performance the RX7 and supra were the two best performing japanese cars imported to america. They naturally became great Rivals.
the S2000 on the other hand is also under 2800 lbs, has similar handling characteristics, looks good, etc. They both have small high reving engines, etc. Its just another topic that comes up in this and the s2ki.com every so often.
10-18-02, 11:23 PM
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hey qwik...the first thing Id do if i had your car is take off that big wing. hehehehe...but i like sleepers...and that wing doesnt look sleeper to me at all.
hey blacktop....
the facts about the rx8 are this...they achieved high power on that motor by making BIGGER ports...now you must not have a ported motor cuz when you open up that port past stock you will notice that your low end disappears...now when you notice that that car revs at what 10k or something...that is the result of a big port...power band all the way up high...at the expense of all your low end torque.
no turbos to help get it spinning....huge ports....thats what i call undertorqued and underpowered. it is the basics of a rotary motor...bigger the port...the less backpressure...less backpressure equals jack for torque....tis the biggest flaw of the 2 rotor motor IMHO...you can get high power out of porting but only at the expense of a loss of torque. tis the only reason to go 3rotor...lots of torque there.
sure it might hit 300hp...but at 7500k or some ****...now who drives like that? I sure as hell cant while living in southern cali...well unless its at night or on the weekend...
i like my power immediately...and down low too. I hate waiting to use it....and no torque SUCKS.
thats my impression of what i hear and have seen about the rx8.
its exterior is fugly too....though i like the interior..
j
ps...i eat s2000's for breakfast...lunch...and dinner.
I eat up most the supras around here too for that matter. havent lost to a supra on the street since i was bone stock.
sevens are the finest sportscar for the money...simple as that.
hey blacktop....
the facts about the rx8 are this...they achieved high power on that motor by making BIGGER ports...now you must not have a ported motor cuz when you open up that port past stock you will notice that your low end disappears...now when you notice that that car revs at what 10k or something...that is the result of a big port...power band all the way up high...at the expense of all your low end torque.
no turbos to help get it spinning....huge ports....thats what i call undertorqued and underpowered. it is the basics of a rotary motor...bigger the port...the less backpressure...less backpressure equals jack for torque....tis the biggest flaw of the 2 rotor motor IMHO...you can get high power out of porting but only at the expense of a loss of torque. tis the only reason to go 3rotor...lots of torque there.
sure it might hit 300hp...but at 7500k or some ****...now who drives like that? I sure as hell cant while living in southern cali...well unless its at night or on the weekend...
i like my power immediately...and down low too. I hate waiting to use it....and no torque SUCKS.
thats my impression of what i hear and have seen about the rx8.
its exterior is fugly too....though i like the interior..
j
ps...i eat s2000's for breakfast...lunch...and dinner.
I eat up most the supras around here too for that matter. havent lost to a supra on the street since i was bone stock.
sevens are the finest sportscar for the money...simple as that.
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