Running extremely rich under boost
#1
Running extremely rich under boost
my car is completely stock aside from m2 downpipe...everything runs great except when the throttle is blipped upon idle it tends to drop way down and try to recover while spitting black smoke
- problem
when i am driving the car seems normal and people following me say they car sounds and drives great. However, when i get on the throttle and hit full boost 10-11(due to dp) people driving behind me say the car smells like a tractor or gas pump..ive had plenty of friends inluding knowledgable car gurus say that the smell of fuel is very overwhelming from behind when i am boosting
- are 13b's supposed to run really rich underboost? Is my ecu dumping fuel ( i know in the mr2 if u pass through the boost cut it will just plain dump tons of fuel) Do i hav an emissions problem with my airpump, o2 sensor, or main-cat...would hooking up an AFR gauge to the stock o2 sensor yeild anything..i hav one i just havent set it up
Thankyou
- problem
when i am driving the car seems normal and people following me say they car sounds and drives great. However, when i get on the throttle and hit full boost 10-11(due to dp) people driving behind me say the car smells like a tractor or gas pump..ive had plenty of friends inluding knowledgable car gurus say that the smell of fuel is very overwhelming from behind when i am boosting
- are 13b's supposed to run really rich underboost? Is my ecu dumping fuel ( i know in the mr2 if u pass through the boost cut it will just plain dump tons of fuel) Do i hav an emissions problem with my airpump, o2 sensor, or main-cat...would hooking up an AFR gauge to the stock o2 sensor yeild anything..i hav one i just havent set it up
Thankyou
#2
Mr. Links
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Here's where I would start:
1. Check the operation of the airpump to make sure it's working
2. Check the vacuum routing for the ACV to make sure it's correct
other things to consider:
1. TPS adjustment (make sure it's withing range)
2. Check spark plugs (replace if needed)
3. Check O2 sensor (replace if needed)
As for hooking an AFR gauge to the stock O2, that's not going to help.
1. Check the operation of the airpump to make sure it's working
2. Check the vacuum routing for the ACV to make sure it's correct
other things to consider:
1. TPS adjustment (make sure it's withing range)
2. Check spark plugs (replace if needed)
3. Check O2 sensor (replace if needed)
As for hooking an AFR gauge to the stock O2, that's not going to help.
#3
wow..ok well ive had the car for 3 weeks so im very new to these complex twins...
first of all to tell u the truth i dont give a **** about emissions if the car just smells rich because of an emissions part gone bad i dont care all i care about is gas milage and performance...i want to find out if the engine is actually running richer or does it jjust smell rich due to worn emissions system?
- how do i check that the airpump is working? check to see that it hums with airfilter off? (how will this effect richness of the engine, i thought that it only effected emissions)
- ACV..is this the valve right near the stock bov that runs down to the twins?
- TPS (throttle position sensor im guessing?) where is this located what are the ranges?
- plugs have been replaced 250 miles ago
- how on earth do i know if the o2 sensor needs to be replaced?
- if the AFR gauge is hooked up it will at least show if the o2 sensor it working by picking up different ratios? if it stays static then it probably means the o2 sens. is bad or the engine isnt running right?
first of all to tell u the truth i dont give a **** about emissions if the car just smells rich because of an emissions part gone bad i dont care all i care about is gas milage and performance...i want to find out if the engine is actually running richer or does it jjust smell rich due to worn emissions system?
- how do i check that the airpump is working? check to see that it hums with airfilter off? (how will this effect richness of the engine, i thought that it only effected emissions)
- ACV..is this the valve right near the stock bov that runs down to the twins?
- TPS (throttle position sensor im guessing?) where is this located what are the ranges?
- plugs have been replaced 250 miles ago
- how on earth do i know if the o2 sensor needs to be replaced?
- if the AFR gauge is hooked up it will at least show if the o2 sensor it working by picking up different ratios? if it stays static then it probably means the o2 sens. is bad or the engine isnt running right?
#4
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The stock O2 sensor is going to be extremely crude for measuring AFRs. The ACV is the valve tucked inside the LIM right alongside the injectors, with air hoses leading from the air pump, around the LIM, and into it.
There is a link to TPS adjustment in the FAQ. The TPS is on the rear of the throttle body.
Do you have a main cat? Do you have an airpump injecting air to it? If you do have both, then perhaps you have a secondary injector dumping fuel. These injectors do have issues more than most, and a testing/cleaning is a good thing to do. If you can borrow a wideband O2 setup that would be ideal.
Dave
There is a link to TPS adjustment in the FAQ. The TPS is on the rear of the throttle body.
Do you have a main cat? Do you have an airpump injecting air to it? If you do have both, then perhaps you have a secondary injector dumping fuel. These injectors do have issues more than most, and a testing/cleaning is a good thing to do. If you can borrow a wideband O2 setup that would be ideal.
Dave
#5
Mr. Links
iTrader: (1)
Originally Posted by Monsterbox
wow..ok well ive had the car for 3 weeks so im very new to these complex twins...
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/94-fsms-available-download-449950/
You can find about 90% of anything you'll ever need in there.
Originally Posted by Monsterbox
- how do i check that the airpump is working? check to see that it hums with airfilter off? (how will this effect richness of the engine, i thought that it only effected emissions)
Originally Posted by Monsterbox
- ACV..is this the valve right near the stock bov that runs down to the twins?
Originally Posted by Monsterbox
- TPS (throttle position sensor im guessing?) where is this located what are the ranges?
Originally Posted by Monsterbox
- how on earth do i know if the o2 sensor needs to be replaced?
Originally Posted by Monsterbox
- if the AFR gauge is hooked up it will at least show if the o2 sensor it working by picking up different ratios? if it stays static then it probably means the o2 sens. is bad or the engine isnt running right?
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