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Old 07-21-03, 03:08 PM
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I was just very surprised at how thin the oil was after a relatively short period of time

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see the "OIL ANALYSIS" thread
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Originally posted by Kento
You're ignoring my point: there is no real advantage for smoothing a bearing surface any more than it already is for "less friction", since the surfaces never come in direct contact with each other due to the pressurized oil film. Only in a very specialized application would this be true-- and 99.99% of internal combustion engines don't fall into that category.
I'm not so sure about this. I would think boundary flow of the liquid would be improved and you would have less fluid shear but I'm now getting way out of my area of expertise
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Originally posted by rx7tt95
I broke the new engine in with regular Castrol dino 20W-50 and the first thing I noticed was the oil pressure which was good and high.
Thicker viscosity oils will nearly always result in higher oil pressures, since the oil pump is working against a denser fluid. Higher oil pressure is not necessarily better. BTW, oil pressure is related to rpm, not throttle position.
It should also be noted that some feel the reason for the OEM oil pressure sending units' meager life span is due to its position in relation to the oil pressure relief valve, and the resulting high pressures the sending unit is subjected to. You'll note that with 20W-50 oil, the engine must be at full operating temp in order to avoid maxing out the oil pressure gauge at anything over 3000 rpm.

When we fixed the oil pan we noticed that the oil seemed very thin after about 1500 miles of use.

I was just very surprised at how thin the oil was after a relatively short period of time.
Not saying that your oil wasn't thinned out somehow, but when oil is warm/hot (as it most likely was when you drained it), it is pretty difficult to tell a 10W SAE viscosity grade difference by sight alone.
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Originally posted by rotary-tt
I'm not so sure about this. I would think boundary flow of the liquid would be improved and you would have less fluid shear but I'm now getting way out of my area of expertise
I'd say that's a bit of a stretch, at least in this case. You're going to have fluid shear any way you look at it, because the journal spins and the bearing (usually) remains stationary. If this were a Formula One V-10 spinning to 18,000 rpm, then perhaps it would yield an improvement, but again, it would be relatively miniscule.
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Let me try this. Do you think 2 'rough' surfaces sliding over each other with a thin fluid layer between would cause less friction than 2 'smooth' surfaces? Every little bit counts. How do you account for the hp gains which Hot Rod mag (and many others) are getting with RP (including Racing Beat)? Must be something to their claims...
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I haven't heard of one person personally that hasn't felt/saw an improvement while using RP. It's just a bitch to get around here with out odering it, is why I haven't used it yet.
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http://www.racingbeat.com/resultset....rtNumber=11959

Racing Beat sees up to 2% increase and I've believe Hot Rod got up to 5% increase in hp.
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Originally posted by rotary-tt
Let me try this. Do you think 2 'rough' surfaces sliding over each other with a thin fluid layer between would cause less friction than 2 'smooth' surfaces? Every little bit counts. How do you account for the hp gains which Hot Rod mag (and many others) are getting with RP (including Racing Beat)? Must be something to their claims...
Do you think that any gains from this supposed friction reduction from microscopically smoothing bearing surfaces alone are responsible for the hp gains that Hot Rod and RB achieved? There are a great many other facets of oil performance that would play a far greater role in increased hp production. Again, remember that I never said that RP products are bogus. I was only stating that you should be careful how far you read into supposed "information" without any detail data to back it up, especially when it is used in the context of a product advertisement.
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Originally posted by GoodfellaFD3S
The dancing banana is back! Glad you got unbanned . Dan, you should go post a poll lobbying to bring the crazy yellow bastard to this forum

Wait a sec....... The only yellow bastard here is ME. Or were you talking about my yellow banana? Or something else?






Like I said before regarding RP oil, my miles per tank seems to get better and better with each fill up. And I only use gas from 76 because that's where I notice the biggest improvement.


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For what its worth, there's a guy who sells RP oil of pretty much every viscosity on Ebay. Even with shipping, its the cheapest I've seen it.

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Originally posted by Street King
I haven't heard of one person personally that hasn't felt/saw an improvement while using RP. It's just a bitch to get around here with out odering it, is why I haven't used it yet.
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