renesis swap in an fd
02-12-08, 11:41 PM
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Its your car, do what you want man. Its understandable if you like the looks of a 7 but want the reliability of a 8. (thats if you keep it N/A like what it's designed for). I'm sure the engine will last a lot longer and probably won't throw off the weight distribution as much as droping in a V8, I6, I4.
but then again, who has the patience to stay NA when you've been spoiled by the turbos boost. If you want to drop in a turbo for the renesis, you're better off staying with 13B-Rew
but then again, who has the patience to stay NA when you've been spoiled by the turbos boost. If you want to drop in a turbo for the renesis, you're better off staying with 13B-Rew
06-04-08, 06:16 PM
#31
nice pic xD epic. xD
ok, you know putting an engine into an engine bay not meant for it, is not as easy as just "making mounts" and putting it in. it has to be PERFECTLY lined up... otherwise youll wear the driveshaft apart and start ruining bearings. There is a TON of work to do. its not nearly as simple as just doing that. Count on that short block being in and out maybe 10 - 15 times JUST TO FIND THE FITMENT.
there is NOTHING easy, simple, or cheap about the project your undertaking.
Also im not sure if you've driven an 8 but they are HORRIBLY torque deprived... on the highway to get some get up and go, were talking about being in 3rd gear before you get the damn thing to move.
By the time you tear down that Renesis to set it up for a turbo, your talking tons of money. Remember, you cant extract high boost numbers out of a Renesis because of its high compression ratio. It was made to be N/A, turboing it with any real power requires that you pull out the rotors and fit lower compression rotors to handle the boost.
By the time you get this project done? your going to be sitting on top of a mountain of money that could have easily been spent in the pursuit of making a 13B-REW run reliable and powerful.
a stock JDM 13B-REW can be had from a reliable engine source for like 2000, you can get a BUILT 13B-REW short block from a reliable source for like 3500, so why would you spend TENS OF THOUSANDS building up what will essentially be a single turbo REW out of a Renesis?
ok, you know putting an engine into an engine bay not meant for it, is not as easy as just "making mounts" and putting it in. it has to be PERFECTLY lined up... otherwise youll wear the driveshaft apart and start ruining bearings. There is a TON of work to do. its not nearly as simple as just doing that. Count on that short block being in and out maybe 10 - 15 times JUST TO FIND THE FITMENT.
there is NOTHING easy, simple, or cheap about the project your undertaking.
Also im not sure if you've driven an 8 but they are HORRIBLY torque deprived... on the highway to get some get up and go, were talking about being in 3rd gear before you get the damn thing to move.
By the time you tear down that Renesis to set it up for a turbo, your talking tons of money. Remember, you cant extract high boost numbers out of a Renesis because of its high compression ratio. It was made to be N/A, turboing it with any real power requires that you pull out the rotors and fit lower compression rotors to handle the boost.
By the time you get this project done? your going to be sitting on top of a mountain of money that could have easily been spent in the pursuit of making a 13B-REW run reliable and powerful.
a stock JDM 13B-REW can be had from a reliable engine source for like 2000, you can get a BUILT 13B-REW short block from a reliable source for like 3500, so why would you spend TENS OF THOUSANDS building up what will essentially be a single turbo REW out of a Renesis?
06-05-08, 02:25 PM
#32
My Opinion
In my opinion the only way I would ever switch to a RENESIS Engine in my FD is if there were 1 or 2 extra rotors
I have seen a RENESIS pulled apart, and honestly when I really took a good look, it seemed like an Engine that should never be boosted.
I noticed right away that it looked like the apex seals were much more shallow than the REW seals. (I think this is to prevent the seals from getting exposure to hot exhaust gasses (because of the side porting)
shallow/ smaller apex seals and port placement of the RENESIS throw up red flags for me. I honestly don't think it could hold up to detonation, but its not like the REW holds up to detonation all that well either...
Horesepower is a double sided sword.
From what I've seen with my own eyes on a track (not a drag strip) a 400 H.P. car goes just as fast as a 1000 H.P. car.
form multiple post that I have read 400 R.W.H.P. is about the peak power you want for tracking your car, other wise you are fighting your car, more than you are enjoying it.
I have seen a RENESIS pulled apart, and honestly when I really took a good look, it seemed like an Engine that should never be boosted.
I noticed right away that it looked like the apex seals were much more shallow than the REW seals. (I think this is to prevent the seals from getting exposure to hot exhaust gasses (because of the side porting)
shallow/ smaller apex seals and port placement of the RENESIS throw up red flags for me. I honestly don't think it could hold up to detonation, but its not like the REW holds up to detonation all that well either...
Horesepower is a double sided sword.
From what I've seen with my own eyes on a track (not a drag strip) a 400 H.P. car goes just as fast as a 1000 H.P. car.
form multiple post that I have read 400 R.W.H.P. is about the peak power you want for tracking your car, other wise you are fighting your car, more than you are enjoying it.
06-05-08, 04:03 PM
#33
Just wanted to make a note that whaile I was at Laguna Seca for the Monterey Festival Of Speed a few weekends ago, I got a good look at the Speed Source RX-8, which is 3rd in points in the GT Rolex series.
It's got a n/a 3-rotor with 13B housings.
It's got a n/a 3-rotor with 13B housings.
06-06-08, 05:46 AM
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That is hilarious. I admit I drove a civic once, but it was simplistic and clean. Modified to hell, but that civic is hilarious..
Makes me happy that I no longer drive one.. I will stick with my rx7 and bmw..
Thats priceless..
real1st
Makes me happy that I no longer drive one.. I will stick with my rx7 and bmw..
Thats priceless..
real1st
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