Recipe for 12's?
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ok, since no one else has said anything about this, I will. Its not just about power and trackson that will get you into the 12's or 11's. weight is a HUGE factor. Even If you were to run 400hp and had and extra 500+ lbs of subs, TV's amps, etc crammed in the back, 12's out of the question.
My self and many others have been able to get into the 12's with intake, full exhaust, a mild tune and removing such things as spare tire, jack, pasanger seat, etc. That and some ADVAN semi-slicks is what worked for me. (weight reduction a a big factor in why you see posts above mine of people who have run 12's and even 11's with power in the 350 range)
The most important factor is still the driver. for expamle: if your reaction time is 1 sec on a .5 tree, you are already half a second behind and you havent even left the line yet. That can be the difference between 12.9 and 13.4
My self and many others have been able to get into the 12's with intake, full exhaust, a mild tune and removing such things as spare tire, jack, pasanger seat, etc. That and some ADVAN semi-slicks is what worked for me. (weight reduction a a big factor in why you see posts above mine of people who have run 12's and even 11's with power in the 350 range)
The most important factor is still the driver. for expamle: if your reaction time is 1 sec on a .5 tree, you are already half a second behind and you havent even left the line yet. That can be the difference between 12.9 and 13.4
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The timer starts counting when your car leaves the line, it has nothing do with how much time passes between the green light and your car leaving the line, that dictates who wins and looses in a head on race. You can have a 1 second rt or a 1 minute rt, doesn't effect the et what so ever.
The most important factor is still the driver. for expamle: if your reaction time is 1 sec on a .5 tree, you are already half a second behind and you havent even left the line yet. That can be the difference between 12.9 and 13.4
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it depends on your altitude what hp gets you what time.. here in utah around a mile above sea level its a little different than in long beach... chip or ecu upgrade, 3 in. downpipe, midpipe, catback exhaust, upgrade ignition , bigger intercooler,bigger fuel injectors, fuel pump, fuel controller, fuel reg, aluminum radiator, dual oil coolers, (if you already dont have them) change the diff/trans/engine oil, i recomend higher volume oil filter..(i think fram has one.. tg7313 i think.) replace your vacuum lines and when your putting the new ones on clamp them on..(zip ties work pretty good)
then once your there i would get a boost controller and tune your car.. i would stay within 10-15psi on stock internals/turbo.
doint all that should put you to low 12's or better. you dont need a clutch or new diff to get there.. but you will probably roast your stock clutch and snap your oem diff.
parts i recomend..
acpt carbon drive shaft
porting TB and upper and lower intake manifolds
aftermarket clutch (i have the act 6 puck)
hks twin power ignition
apex PFC
FMIC.. (i like greddy for these)
gotham has a good dual oil cooler set up
koyo or fluidline radiator
then once your there i would get a boost controller and tune your car.. i would stay within 10-15psi on stock internals/turbo.
doint all that should put you to low 12's or better. you dont need a clutch or new diff to get there.. but you will probably roast your stock clutch and snap your oem diff.
parts i recomend..
acpt carbon drive shaft
porting TB and upper and lower intake manifolds
aftermarket clutch (i have the act 6 puck)
hks twin power ignition
apex PFC
FMIC.. (i like greddy for these)
gotham has a good dual oil cooler set up
koyo or fluidline radiator
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Originally Posted by slo
The timer starts counting when your car leaves the line, it has nothing do with how much time passes between the green light and your car leaving the line, that dictates who wins and looses in a head on race. You can have a 1 second rt or a 1 minute rt, doesn't effect the et what so ever.
my rt sucked..(5 sec.) but my 1/4 time was decent (13.2) stock with intake and full (no cats) 3 inch exhaust, and brand new plugs..( i put them in when i got to the track)
so ya.. i agree..
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Originally Posted by slo
The timer starts counting when your car leaves the line, it has nothing do with how much time passes between the green light and your car leaving the line, that dictates who wins and looses in a head on race. You can have a 1 second rt or a 1 minute rt, doesn't effect the et what so ever.
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Originally Posted by RE-Amemiya7
depends on the track and type of events. I used to run some early model races in my chevelle - I learned the hard way that when the ambers are off and the green light flashes the clock has started. maybe that was just the events i was in, but i suppose i have just become accustome to that. Dont think i have ever cared to notice when i was running my FD that it was any different.
I think you are reffering to bracket racing. The clock does not start but rather your reaction time is taken into account in determining the winner. Reaction time never plays a role in ones ET.
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Originally Posted by Authentikdit
Why?
I also want to ward off boost creep and the cat will help.
It was much cheaper to buy a catless midpipe and a high-flow cat (made for high temp applications) and have it welded then to buy a unit that already comes with a highflow cat in it.
Good info on this post.. Thanks guys.
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So if I read correctly my next mods should be PFC and an IC?
All the supporting mods like rad and fluids have been done by the way.
When does one need to upgrade the fuel system? I gather from what I read when you dial up the boost past 12 psi?
PS, I am right at sea level which helps.
All the supporting mods like rad and fluids have been done by the way.
When does one need to upgrade the fuel system? I gather from what I read when you dial up the boost past 12 psi?
PS, I am right at sea level which helps.
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I just made 324 with:
Intake,
DP,
MP,
Cat Back,
Radiator,
IC,
PFC,
850 primaries,
1600 secondaries with top feed rail,
Fuel Pressure Regulator,
Greddy Elbow,
Greddy Type RS BOV,
Walbro Fuel Pump,
Fuel Filter,
new spark plugs and wires NGK 9s all around,
Efini '99 spec turbos with ported wastegate,
Profec B Spec II set at 15 psi,
really strong engine
and most important of all.... Tuning by Steve Kan!!!
Even with that, I'm still gonna need some good launches to get to low 12s. I don't know if I believe high 11s at 325. I think that's stretching it.
My advice man, do the reliability mods first. Do 1 thing at a time and concentrate on building a bullet proof setup first then worry about your drag times. Another thing I learned the hard way, use quality silcone hoses and stay away from that Autozone Crap. Also you want to do the turbo control simplification if you're going to stay sequential.
Oh yeah, good luck passing emissions stock let alone once you get these mods. If you want to protect the environment, you should drive a Prius and not worry about running 12s.
Hope that helps,
Jeremy
Intake,
DP,
MP,
Cat Back,
Radiator,
IC,
PFC,
850 primaries,
1600 secondaries with top feed rail,
Fuel Pressure Regulator,
Greddy Elbow,
Greddy Type RS BOV,
Walbro Fuel Pump,
Fuel Filter,
new spark plugs and wires NGK 9s all around,
Efini '99 spec turbos with ported wastegate,
Profec B Spec II set at 15 psi,
really strong engine
and most important of all.... Tuning by Steve Kan!!!
Even with that, I'm still gonna need some good launches to get to low 12s. I don't know if I believe high 11s at 325. I think that's stretching it.
My advice man, do the reliability mods first. Do 1 thing at a time and concentrate on building a bullet proof setup first then worry about your drag times. Another thing I learned the hard way, use quality silcone hoses and stay away from that Autozone Crap. Also you want to do the turbo control simplification if you're going to stay sequential.
Oh yeah, good luck passing emissions stock let alone once you get these mods. If you want to protect the environment, you should drive a Prius and not worry about running 12s.
Hope that helps,
Jeremy
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Originally Posted by crxturboh22
check my sign for mods... I ran 13.5 with Bald Tires. i mean bald on the wires.. thats how bad and no traction. with 18s on it.. new tires and no cat im sure mid 12's...
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Originally Posted by 3rd Gen Jeremy
Oh yeah, good luck passing emissions stock let alone once you get these mods. If you want to protect the environment, you should drive a Prius and not worry about running 12s.
Hope that helps,
Jeremy
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Originally Posted by 3rd Gen Jeremy
My advice man, do the reliability mods first. Do 1 thing at a time and concentrate on building a bullet proof setup first then worry about your drag times. Another thing I learned the hard way, use quality silcone hoses and stay away from that Autozone Crap. Also you want to do the turbo control simplification if you're going to stay sequential.
Jeremy
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Originally Posted by silverTRD
LOL
Like I said the car has under 30k miles on it and I am starting with a good base since it passed easily a couple of motnhs ago. The pre cat is the only thing that wold be gone but that is only there for help with cold-start emissions anyway.
I'll let you guys know how it goes when the time comes.
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Originally Posted by Barban
ot with street tires. And i doubt it would with drag tires for that matter.
driver! driver! driver! period!
~J
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^i'm assuming that was with a dynapack?
Originally Posted by Stix37867
Also, stock port or street port?
That a street port. Hell I better make 350 easy with a streetport.
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The car just passed emissions with flying colors (needed to be tested when I bought it. My Lightning which made 600hp and 700ft/lbs of trq passes like it was stock. My 4th Gen Camaro which had a 396 stroker motor and an ATI blower passed. I doubt I will have trouble getting the RX-7 to pass with my limited mods.
Good luck!! I wish you the best but I wouldn't bet on passing for very long especially if you want to build enough power to run 12s.
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Originally Posted by 3rd Gen Jeremy
Yes, how did you know?
That a street port. Hell I better make 350 easy with a streetport.
That a street port. Hell I better make 350 easy with a streetport.
I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't.
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It would have been really low if it was a dynojet. The dynapack reads about 10-15% low compared to the dynojet.
I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't.
I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't.
So are you telling me that on a DynoJet I'm gonna read 360 -380? If so, that's a pretty big number. Especially for Sequential Twins.
By the way, I'm making boost at 2200 rpm so I'm gonna be able to get a good launch easy. I'll let you guys know what numbers I post on a DynaPack 324 hp car.
Jeremy
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Originally Posted by 3rd Gen Jeremy
Good luck!! I wish you the best but I wouldn't bet on passing for very long especially if you want to build enough power to run 12s.
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Originally Posted by rynberg
NOT. A properly running car with an air pump can pass just fine.....I pass Cali emissions with PFC, streetport, and all bolt-ons (switching out midpipe to hi-flow cat). If someone is failing emissions, it's because their car is not running right, period.