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Old 11-20-03, 12:10 AM
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God it's nice being military...my car will forever and always be registered in good ol' FL!

I did the simplification on my car and also on my buddy Jeffs, it lowers the level of complexity from Doctorate Rocket Science to BA College Graduate level, something I can understand. Still not elementary, but better.

And WTF is this about no turob spool noises?? I don't know about that.

Get the blockoff plates and trash all that EPA Carter-ization...I didnt say that.

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Old 11-20-03, 02:43 AM
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Alright if the general says to do it then I will =P
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Originally posted by Fatman0203
Well Florida I doubt will EVER do emissions again and even if they did. ( doubt it again) I'll just slap on the stock cat and a whole bunch of other sh*t just for the test. So the Simplification + Damians Boost Control is actually a good idea? Alrighty then that settles it Im going for it =P wish me luck when the hoses come in.
Thats a bunhc of stuff to be slapping back on though.
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Originally posted by Scrub
Pro's
Less heat
Less backpressure
A more predictable linear power band.
Better midrange and top end

Con's
No turbo spool noises when accelerating slowly
ummm thats pretty much it.



Whaaat??
are you talking about non-seq? hehe
Old 11-20-03, 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by Zoomspeed
Thats a bunhc of stuff to be slapping back on though.
If anything I would only do the cats. My friend has to put his entire exhaust back together on his WRX when he has to take it to the dealer =P so a cat and a muffler for me I dont mine =P.

That also means I have to buy the block off plates.
Old 11-20-03, 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by Fatman0203
If anything I would only do the cats. My friend has to put his entire exhaust back together on his WRX when he has to take it to the dealer =P so a cat and a muffler for me I dont mine =P.

That also means I have to buy the block off plates.
If they actually "test" emissions, just putting the cat pack on without the rest won't make you pass. If all they do is a visual test to see if the cat is on the car, then that would work.
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Either way they got rid of it 5 years ago and have never talked about bringing it back. The only thing their really strict about here are the rice mufflers, 98789459 subwoofers in the truck blasting, and rice races. (which is why we get problems sometime when we want to meet).


BTW I wouldnt even know of any other car. My dad has two v-8s running only flowmasters and he has yet to get sh*t about it =P.
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BTW Anyone got pics of their engine bay after this?? Id really appreciate it. Or any vacuum hose simplification.
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Originally posted by Fatman0203
BTW Anyone got pics of their engine bay after this?? Id really appreciate it. Or any vacuum hose simplification.
alot of the hoses u get rid of are underneath the UIM, so you wont see much unless someone has a pic before and after with the UIM off.
Old 11-21-03, 11:20 AM
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Ya but if you do Rob's Simplification there must be a hell of a difference. Anyone? Or am I the first Guinea Pig to try this?
Old 11-26-03, 03:32 AM
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BTW Whats this about that he removed the fuel regulator? I obviously leave mine on then correct?
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(I dont know if this has been said or not....i only read the first page)

PRO: better gas mileage! (whenever the car sees boost, you dump loads of gas. If you are non-sequential u dont get on boost as much during everyday driving.

CON: Your car will be alot louder.
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Originally posted by JhnRx7
(I dont know if this has been said or not....i only read the first page)

PRO: better gas mileage! (whenever the car sees boost, you dump loads of gas. If you are non-sequential u dont get on boost as much during everyday driving.

CON: Your car will be alot louder.
Hes asking aobut the seq. simplification.

BTW Whats this about that he removed the fuel regulator? I obviously leave mine on then correct?
yeah. If your keeping the stock FPR then leave that whole system alone.
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Alright how expensive is it to replace the stock fuel pressure regulator. I honestly dont want to put that rats nest back in the car. Just looking at the design of the simplification makes me want it more. BTW Where is the regulator?
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Originally posted by Fatman0203
Alright how expensive is it to replace the stock fuel pressure regulator. I honestly dont want to put that rats nest back in the car. Just looking at the design of the simplification makes me want it more. BTW Where is the regulator?
If I remember right leaving the stock FPR only leaves in one solenoid and the lines for it, so its not like its a big mess. May want to double check with the diagram though.
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Originally posted by Fatman0203
Alright how expensive is it to replace the stock fuel pressure regulator. I honestly dont want to put that rats nest back in the car. Just looking at the design of the simplification makes me want it more. BTW Where is the regulator?
It's on the firewall side of the secondary injector rail. If you want to eliminate another solenoid, you can bypass the FPR solenoid (the solenoid on the orange plug) and connect a vacuum line directly to the little diagonal nipple on the LIM. The FPR solenoid's only job is to run the car rich on a hot start to blow out any fuel vapor bubbles. A few people have bypassed the FPR solenoid and have not reported any problems. If you want, I can post a pic of the FPR and the diagonal nipple on the LIM.

[edit]I'd just stick with the stock FPR. I think it works just fine, especially on the stock ECU.[/edit]
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What most people have missed in going non seq. you will have a slower spool up since the exhust is split between the two turbs. When you are seq. the full cfm goes thru the primary only up to 4k rpm. The cfm is also split on the top end becuse its pushing gasses thru the primary when it is actualy usless. The only gain you will get is in the mid range, both turbs working together and no drop in boost during transition. I wouldnt do it. Its a simplification that is all. If it was a better way Mazda would have made it like that to begin with. Besides if your going to have two turbos on a FD learn how they work and understand the parts that make it work, with that knowlage you will be able to trobleshoot your turbos just fine. It just takes a little time to learn it.
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The reason that Mazda made it so freaking many its mainly cause of emmisions. PCV and other useless emmisions junk. I think simplifying it would make things easier to work with but I just dont want to lose any dependability. Also I heard the simplification gives you better response.
Old 11-27-03, 10:47 AM
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BTW This is the SEQ SIMPLIFICATION!!!
(NOT NON SEQ)
Alright I just got the hoses in and Im working on getting the rats nest out. Im currently also trying to looking for the fuel regulartor which I am supposed to leave in place. Alright any other suggestions before I move on?
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sounds like a great idea if you are choosing to stay with a sequential setup. cleaning up all the extra emmisions crap under the hood is the right thing to do, saves the motor. get rid of all of it and go non-seq. the whole engine bay gets gutted out!
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Well I want to stay seq because Ive heard its better for track but the other main reason and more important is I dont have the money . Emmsions is not a problem. Also Ive heard you get better throttle response. Either way I cant stand the mess under there and would like to have a cleaner engine bay.
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Also when you order the block off plates from the rx7 store do they come with where they belong?
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Originally posted by Fatman0203
Also when you order the block off plates from the rx7 store do they come with where they belong?
No, but you'll know where they go when you have them in hand.
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