I don't think my setup is getto. Here are some pics. I think the XS core is a great deal. I didn't buy mine with piping as I wanted to custom mount and duct mine. Here are some pics

http://home.comcast.net/~ryan.fritts/photo.htm

Anyway as for dyno proof I dont have any but I did run a 12.7 at 113 at 14psi with it non-seq. To me that's not doing to bad. I will hopefully have some dynos with a 60-1 I'm working on getting setup with the intercooler. I have thought about making ducts but my duct is setup for my location and I used different piping. If he has the know how to fab I would suggest making your own duct and piping. As I have heard the piping is thin. Also the inlet outlet are 2.75" so right on with the stock piping and even without beads but using t clamps I have not had any problems with blowing couplers off the inlet and outlet.

 

Charge temps (intake temps) would do more for seeing/showing how the IC is performing.

 

I Got the exact same set up.. intake and IC.. NO problems.. people say its getto cuz they dont hav it.. they're running a difference set up.. and because its not name brand...

+1 for the IC.. and MAJIHK go check the damn temps.. there are records here saying it does lower.. jst go search...

 

You missed the point. A dyno doesn't show the effectiveness of an IC, temps do. So whether or not his car has been dyno'd or not doesn't really demonstrate that the IC is efficient.

 

yes I am also sure that race teams just put on the FMIC and only upgrade to a koyo rad and call it a day. Right? no upgraded fans nor water pump, no additional ducting, nor bigger oil coolers either.

 

This is pretty old stuff but it seems that a lot of people here are not familiar with it:

http://www.fd3s.net/intercoolers.html

Efficiency and pressure drop and air flow numbers at particular boost and rpm levels are required to determine the effectiveness of an intercooler. Or failing those, back-to-back intake temperature comparisons from a track session. Dynos or 1/4 mile times or highway cruise data mean little by themselves.

The old SCC articles have a nice set of FD intercooler tests:

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/pr...a_rx_7_part_8/
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/pr...a_rx_7_part_9/

Though it seems that "it didn't look like the piece of crap I expected for $100 when I opened the box" is sufficient testing for some.

 

+1

 

Someone asked for a dyno I provided the next best thing I had which was a mph. I really need to get a temperature sensor on the intake and outlet of the IC.

 

Well then please show me something other than, "It's really cheap so it's crap." cause that's not exactly concrete evidence either. I don't see how someone can say that this isn't better than the stock intercooler, hell, even better than say a Peter Farrell or ARC intercooler. Those things are tiny and from what I've seen, don't have a greater fin density than the XSPower unit.

 

id say go with the greddy fmic to be on the safe side

 

LOL safe side of what?

 

Your argument boils down to: nobody can prove to me that it is bad, so I am going to assume that it is good. That is not a strong logical foundation for an opinion.

There are a number of tested intercooler designs out there. When a new product comes along the burden of proof is on the new product to prove it is more effective than existing products. Nobody has to prove that it is not more effective, which would be ridiculous.

 

Just through design alone it's a better intercooler, you don't have to test it to be able to see that. A larger intercooler, which has more fins for more cooling, is going to be better than stock. The XSPower intercooler is larger than stock, and has more fins, therefore it will cool better. How is it that that's not true without testing?

 

The SCC articles I linked to showed that the original design M2 large actually performed worse than the M2 medium despite being considerably larger. So size is only one variable.

With ducting the eBay IC may outperform the stock IC due to size alone. However, your original question was whether it was comparable to the Greddy FMIC, which is a different story. There are no test numbers but I would not look at size alone to make this determination.

Greddy is a well respected company that make very high quality products; XS Power is a company that does not even spend $10 to bead the ends of their piping to stop clamps coming loose, so you can be pretty sure that they did not sink a large R&D budget into designing an IC core with good airflow and pressure drop characteristics.

 

The larger race intercooler performed worse, and only slightly so, in the few seconds it took to make a run from 3k-7k rpm. They go on to say that the larger intercooler probably would've had the advantage under normal racing conditions, since the smaller the intercooler is, the faster you get heat soak.

I also don't think you have to worry much about XSPower's R&D, considering they probably don't have any. We're not talking about a project they thought up one day and decided to put into production. I'm believe Keven T. Wyum said these were older designed cores that were used during the early 90's and weren't as dense as modern day $1k-$2k cores. Surprise surprise right? But he did go on to say that it was definitely better than stock and was worth the $250 (which they've dropped by $100 now, so again, it's a good deal). I'm not doubting the Greddy has better technology, that was never the issue, I said I was having trouble justifying the price difference. Now that we've actually gotten into it, I definitely cannot.

 

you're right in a way but on the other hand you got the 1cfm @ 1.5 psi drop depending on the IC.... you're following ???

 

memphisraines82 I see. Well glad to hear it was ducted afterall. Although Ive got to say, with that short/strait of piping it looks like it would definately increase turbo response, which would be good.

 

i'm sick of hearing all this "you get what you pay for" babble in regards to the china stuff. if we are talking about turbos or something pretty complicated that requires precision with tolerances and high quality seals then i see your point. most of the stuff is lower quality when compared to the american competition (in the automotive aftermarket anyways), but we're talking intercoolers here, people.

its not rocket science; the china intercoolers and piping do a fine job (besides the shitty plastic couplers alot of them come with) and its hella cheap compared to the big name stuff.

 

We could argue this all day long, but it basically boils down to 2 types of people.
1 The person that wants E-bay stuff on their FD.
2 The person that doesn't want E-bay stuff.

I'm number 2. You will never see XSPower in my engine bay. I don't care how cheap they are.