Yep!
In the snow, one can easily induce oversteer at low speeds and then practice correcting them. Correction. pause and then recovery.
I missed the snow covered roads...sometimes.

 

Reza, was his Z06 the silver ragtop? If so, he was fast, but he spun it when he was right behind me at Turn2.

With regards to oversteering, I prefer to drive without any oversteer...I like to try to go fast without any spinning...but hey, whatever floats your boat...

Sleep>> you gotta get out here...

 

Being able to steer the car with the throttle is very important at speed.

This is the reason to practice oversteer CORRECTION!

 

Mr Stock>> I agree with you on it's importance, but I dont go fast enough to induce oversteering...and quite frankly I am quite comfortable with the speed i am going at now...I dont wish to push myself to any limits which I am not capable of holding.

Reza>> Go get proper tires first...and fix ur brakes..

 

work up to it cossie...let the track come to you...

 

right out of the skip barber going faster book

must do laguna and sears point

midwest tracks have grass, so going off doesn't sand blast your interior

 

This time of the year, all the grass = mud, not nice to go in there...esp when it hooks up your tires and flip you ard....

 

^what kind of brakes you running? how many schools have you had?

 

Stock calipers with Hawks, Bermbo drilled disc

AP 4 pots are on the way

I have run with QuattroClub, Donutzracing, Unlimted Laps, NASA, all those were with my Audi S4. 4wd and understeers. But good for lifting off and getting back into line.
I have also driven Sepang F1 and Pasir Gudang in Malaysia with my Cosworth and GTR.

I have had 2 track days with my FD. One at Laguna Seca and more recently, Sears Point with SpeedVentures.
Going to thunderhill with clubZ.

 

^ lots of experience under your belt!

 

ran with speed trial usa once when they did a gingerman event...do they still run events there on the left coast? they were big into drift driving?

 

Wow..Cossie has lots of experience..
I have very small experience on track.
only once a year ago at thunderhill, then this searspoint.
I have a lot to learn. Plus 8 years driving 4cyl accords and camrys does not help me at all learning RWD plus more than double those 4cyl horsepower...

I am gonna get tires after next thunderhill event. its a drift event, so I think I better have slippery tires.
I got Hawk HP+. Are these good to track?

Reza

 

still learning..and alot more to learn

 

I have to disagree. I am sure that you are going fast enough to induce oversteer.

However, let's assume that you are not. Since you have quite a bit of track experience, you probably already know that if you are in a turn and lift off the accelerator, miss a downshift, or brake suddenly, you can easily induce oversteer even if you are not "going fast enough". A lot depends on how abrupt these changes are made.

Now if you are Mr. Smooth, and you are not "going fast enough", you will never induce oversteer.

I think this is easier said than done.

Anyway, it sounds like you are getting the all important seat time.

 

seat time is the key

 

Mr Stock >> I am not into oversteering...I think I can handle myself fairly well should I get too hot into a corner..I rather not get myself into such a situation..
I have had some time in a RWD on a skip pan. They are somewhat easier to control with the throttle. I agree with that...

I am trying to be "Mr Smooth" for I am not into the 'diftnology' aspect of track driving. It is cool and I am amazed by it, but I rather lap quick than lap cool...

 

grip driving's where it's at

mr stock has a point

once you get really good, you use the front tires only to turn into the corner

the rest of it is adjusting the car's cornering attitude with the gas pedal

funny...drivers ed instructors teach novices late apex, turn in late

as you get really competent you turn in earlier for earlier throttle application to steer the car with the back-end

comes with practice

ask me how i know this

 

I agree...
I am still learning alot as I tend to turn in way too early...

So how do you know this?

 

Since you won't give up, I won't either until you say uncle

Have you tried this exercise on the skid pad?

Drive in a circle at a constant speed, and then gradually apply more gas while holding the steering at the same angle? What happens? The radius of the circle will get larger(Understeer)

Do the same except this time, come off the gas gradually while holding the steering angle the same. What happens? The radius of the circle will get smaller(Oversteer)

I doubt that you will notice either the understeer or oversteer by the seat of your pants. It will however be visually obvious.

My point is that when you are driving, and if that driving requires turning, you will encounter understeer and oversteer, however minute.

 

Very common beginner's mistake, not that you are a beginner. I make this mistake all the time too

 

Drive in a circle at a constant speed, and then gradually apply more gas while holding the steering at the same angle? What happens? The radius of the circle will get larger(Understeer)

Do the same except this time, come off the gas gradually while holding the steering angle the same. What happens? The radius of the circle will get smaller(Oversteer)

<< yeah tried this a year ago..we even had the skid pad coated with cooking oil and water to help induce the effects more easily..

My point is that when you are driving, and if that driving requires turning, you will encounter understeer and oversteer, however minute. << I also agree cuz I can somewhat feel this...esp when the steering unloads in a corner with elevation change. I have noticed it also in videos.

Ok, I am not trying to doubt what you say, I see your point. I do apperciate it. Like at all track days, ask any questions and there will be plenty of answers...

If you insist on bring an oldie..UNCLE!
HAHAHAHAHA!

 

LOL.

See you at one of the tracks one day.

 

curious..

are you going to do OTC?

I might do it, if my friend really decides to. We are going to do it in his E36 M3 LTW.

I do need more seat time esp at Sears Point, Buttonwillow.

 

I will be doing it in 2004.

Once I get my car to California hopefully next month and sort out all of the problems of having recently installed a new engine and going single turbo, I am going to hit all the tracks, to become at least somewhat competitive in OTC.

Unfortunately, I will most likely will be in the Unlimited Touring class with where all the heavy hitters are.

 

sounds like fun...