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Old Nov 9, 2004 | 05:34 PM
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Also, isn't it better to connect the positive cable directly to the alternator and not the distribution block?
Good Question! Is that creating a daisy chain? or removing one? I never looked at the wiring diagram for the battery system.
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 02:34 AM
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To answer a question about wire: I would suggest you forget about the "pretty" colored wire that is sold for primarily audio applications. The reason for this is that is has a relatively soft PVC jacket which is more likely to be subject to damage, particularly under adverse circumstances. (i.e., parking your car in an unusual attitude or in a tree, catching fire, etc.)

I would recommend as a first choice is [copper] welding cable. It is sold by-the-foot at most welding supply houses. Its jacket is intended for harsh environments and a certain amount of abuse. It is less abradable, very flexible, as well as heat and solvent resistant. It is probably the safest choice given the potential for a cable to be compromised. You can run over it with a forklift. Try that with your monster cable! Oh no, Mr. Bill !!!

Second choice: THHN type feeder wire--intended to be pulled through conduit and again designed to be tough. It is not as flexible or workable as the finer stranded welding cable, but you will have a choice of colors. (Don't go larger than #2 AWG or it will be difficult to handle.) And it is still much better than the crap sold through audio stores and automotive outlets. (available at electrical supply houses, home depot).
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Speed of light
I would recommend as a first choice is [copper] welding cable. It is sold by-the-foot at most welding supply houses. Its jacket is intended for harsh environments and a certain amount of abuse. It is less abradable, very flexible, as well as heat and solvent resistant. It is probably the safest choice given the potential for a cable to be compromised. You can run over it with a forklift. Try that with your monster cable! Oh no, Mr. Bill !!!

Here's what I use...best deal I found.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WDVW
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 12:20 PM
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You mean a writeup (albeit somewhat comical and a bit overboard for some) like this?
http://reganrotaryracing.tripod.com/batrelo.htm

FWIW
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 02:05 PM
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With respect to the post above by PandazRx-7 regarding battery cable. The link refers to what is apparently silicoln rubber jacketed cable. As such it will have pretty good thermal and chemical resistance; however, silicoln based jackets tend to be softer and are easier to cut and abrade. You will have to weigh the importance of this fact when you make your choice.

FWIW: With respect to general weight distribution and battery location: In our drag cars--and this example is based on the typical 60's or 70's american V8 pony car--Relocating the battery from the front of the car to the farthest [right] rear point in the truck was equivalent to setting a V8 engine about 10" to 12" further back in the chassis. Obviously, this bias can and will significantly help the weight transfer of a drag car which is needed to achieve the best et's.
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 03:09 PM
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does anyone know if an optima will fit in either storage bin? ive got a yellow top and was thinking of doing this project. also wondering if optima makes those half-sized batteries?
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JebenKurac
does anyone know if an optima will fit in either storage bin? ive got a yellow top and was thinking of doing this project. also wondering if optima makes those half-sized batteries?
The answer to your first question is here:
http://reganrotaryracing.tripod.com/batrelo.htm

Your question about the half-size: Yes, Optima makes a yellow-top version for Honda applications called the 51. The correct one for mounting in the stock location is the 51R(R=reverse pole). I use it and it works great.
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Speed of light
With respect to the post above by PandazRx-7 regarding battery cable. The link refers to what is apparently silicoln rubber jacketed cable. As such it will have pretty good thermal and chemical resistance; however, silicoln based jackets tend to be softer and are easier to cut and abrade. You will have to weigh the importance of this fact when you make your choice.
Actually you'de be suprised, this welding cable has a very tough silicone jacket. The jacket is a little thicker than regular cable and did take a bit of effort to cut.

Fortunitly, the seller was a few miles away from me and I checked it out before I bought it. I've been using it for almost a year with no problems. My only concern was the hole in the firewall it went through, nothing a rubber grommet couldn't fix though. And if being pinched in an accident would be a concern...well, that's what a breaker is for.
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Old Nov 22, 2004 | 10:12 PM
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In order to use a larger battery in the passenger bin and retain the original
compartment, I cut out the front of the bin and hinged it.

Not too noticable with the hatch closed.

I used a large conventional battery for test fitting

Jack
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Old Nov 22, 2004 | 10:58 PM
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You hacked your bins like that? Although it does look clean, and must be a breeze for need of repair, replace, remove (ing). I hate to be a critic but can you please clean you car :{
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Old Nov 22, 2004 | 11:59 PM
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How many times can you open it before it snaps off?
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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 08:19 AM
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How many times can you open it before it snaps off?
I thought he said he put hinges on it. Otherwise I'd go with about 6 times ;p
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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jagwrjack
In order to use a larger battery in the passenger bin and retain the original
compartment, I cut out the front of the bin and hinged it.

Not too noticable with the hatch closed.

I used a large conventional battery for test fitting

Jack

I can't believe people cut their car like that. I feel sorry for the 7.
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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 12:06 PM
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Hey Iluvmy3rdgen,

I actually did wipe the car off. It sat disabled for 6 yrs. before I bought it.

You were 12 yrs. old when the motor took a ****.

It's amazing how many of these cars are mucked up with body kits and other ricer
garbage and the area behind the passenger seat is causing such an uproar.
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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by a2zpcwiz
I can't believe people cut their car like that. I feel sorry for the 7.
You should see my "bins". They're just a cover panel now, and notched to go around the main hoop of my roll cage.
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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jagwrjack
It's amazing how many of these cars are mucked up with body kits and other ricer
garbage and the area behind the passenger seat is causing such an uproar.
Well, you know... everyone owns a show car and would never let their car get that dirty.

BTW, nice mod. I'm really impressed with how clean your cuts ended up. What did you use?
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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 03:14 PM
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I used a hacksaw blade.
I didn't realize that the Optima red could be removed without going through all that hassle. Oh well, only took a couple minutes.
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Old Jan 10, 2005 | 09:49 PM
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BTW, just so there's no confusion, the type of circuit breaker you're looking for is an automotive 12V DC circuit breaker. Don't buy an AC circuit breaker from Home Depot.

This is the Phoenix Gold circuit breaker I used (the picture below is of the 100-amp version, so make sure you get the 200-amp version).



http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=263-579
What's the reasoning of the 200amp version? I bought a 150amp but after realizing the main fuse is 120amp, I think I should have got a 100 or 120amp.
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Old Jan 10, 2005 | 10:55 PM
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What's the reasoning of the 200amp version? I bought a 150amp but after realizing the main fuse is 120amp, I think I should have got a 100 or 120amp.
The main fuse protects the car's electrical system, not the battery. The point of the circuit breaker is to protect the relocated battery from a dead short if the battery cable were pinched or cut in a wreck, which could potentially start an electrical fire or result in battery explosion. It has nothing to do with protecting the car's electrical system from the battery, because that's already taken care of.

The starter, on the other hand, has a direct connection to the battery distribution block not protected by a fuse. The considerable current draw from your starter can kick out a lower rated circuit breaker if the engine has trouble starting. I had a 120 amp circuit breaker originally, but after it kicked out several times one day, I got tired of it and moved up to 200 amp.

Why not get a 200 amp breaker? They cost basically the same as the lower rated models.
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Old Jan 10, 2005 | 11:23 PM
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ok, thanks. The highest they had on ebay was 150. Iasked and he said he couldn't get a higher one but I beleive they can now (different brand). I may add a fuse as well, later on.
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Old Jan 10, 2005 | 11:43 PM
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What about venting gasses fom the battery? if they build up in that bin that could be bad!!!
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Old Jan 11, 2005 | 01:23 AM
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What about venting gasses fom the battery? if they build up in that bin that could be bad!!!
Unlikely. The bins aren't a sealed environment and the batteries (at least the Hawker Genesis) are. If you're worried about it, get an NHRA-approved battery box and vent it to the outside of the car.
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Old Jan 11, 2005 | 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by GoRacer
I may add a fuse as well, later on.
You don't want a fuse. The point of using a circuit breaker is because you can reset it if it kicks out.
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