7racer

Believe me...I have no qualms about the quality of Kevin's product, and I realize that he can no way test fit this in every different person's FD.

I was just hoping for ideas to get things to fit since some people are able to get this combination to somehow work.

Kevin! This is YOUR KIT!

here is the original link I posted...
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=274682

the airbox is big...I think if I had open elements like Damian, I wouldn't have a problem...but I think it is a hair thinner than the M2 box...

The airpump is making it a PITA. The kit is the one you made but the pipe from the turbo side is a old M2 one we had laying around the shop....there was NO WAY we could get yours to connect with the combination of the airbox and airpump in the way...that's why it looks like the older M2

The intercooler duct sits better...but still prevents me from snapping the lid latch bar across the duct close...and closing the hood....we think we are going to have to heat bend the bar...how maxcooper does it in his car I don't know.

The widefoot mounts are swaybar mounts that have the holes where the radiator sits...the mounts seem to let the radiator sit a tad lower giving more clearance...but still it doesn't seem to allow enough...

95FD_VA, if you look at that link I posted...are those the same pipes you got? Those look like what maxcooper orginally recieved.

Kevin T. Wyum

"Kevin! This is YOUR KIT!

here is the original link I posted...
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...threadid=274682

the airbox is big...I think if I had open elements like Damian, I wouldn't have a problem...but I think it is a hair thinner than the M2 box...

The airpump is making it a PITA. The kit is the one you made but the pipe from the turbo side is a old M2 one we had laying around the shop....there was NO WAY we could get yours to connect with the combination of the airbox and airpump in the way...that's why it looks like the older M2"

The reason I don't think it's mine is because I've never made a pipe that looks like either of those pipes, the passenger or driver side ones. The driver side tubes are always an S bend style, M2 was trying to use straight tubes like that I believe. The other item was the end tank on the IC looks like the older version with the tapered end tank on the driver side, it could just be the picture. None of that means I don't want to see you get it working though so don't take it that way it's just that my time is pretty limited and I can't spend it supporting items made by M2.


"The intercooler duct sits better...but still prevents me from snapping the lid latch bar across the duct close...and closing the hood....we think we are going to have to heat bend the bar...how maxcooper does it in his car I don't know."

The duct must still be off or the increased thickness with the CF stuff on it is causing the issue. It's a tight fit to start with, there really isn't room to make it any thicker. Keep in mind there are over 300 of the medium and large IC's out there.

So your kit came with that driver side tube? When did you buy it?

Kevin T. Wyum

7racer

I bought it 7/31/03 (looked it up on my Quicken account) from the RX7store...

I am the one still missing the clamps.

the bottom of the intercooler duct is not CF'd and you can see the thickness of the sheet used..it only added 1/16" of an inch to the thickness.... Also if I test fit the bar...the duct would have to sit about 1 inch lower...

Right now it is sitting on the fan shroud...I can only guess that if I lower the radiator it would work...

apologies Kevin, this is the correct link from my old post when I had a question about the pipes...
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ht=intercooler

mine look exactly like Max's
the pipes used are the older M2 to help things fit....I cant get either pipe to fit with my setup correctly unless I use the older pipes.

Radical Rotary Avantgard

I will vow for the truth of the older M2 pipes fitting on 7racers car.
That pipe used to be on my car and I got it with my med SMIC from M2 over 4 years ago.
I only had the issue back then, with the hood rod not sitting at all and the turbo pipe rubbing the hood liner lightly and the R1 strut bar.
I ended bending the hood rod with my hands, no torch needed.
Forgot to say that, I also had the Fluidyne radiator and the air pump in place at that time.
The turbo pipe, I made it fit, by cutting it to make it sit lower and trimmed the R1 strut bar a little bit and all was fine then.

7racer, don't be afraid to take the old hammer to the turbo pipe and bending the rod to make it fit.

Tim Benton

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I have the M2 med with a mazdacomp radiator. The duct fits fine and I consider the hood rod not being able to snap into the holder a mute point. I'll bed it if I ever want to, but for now I just tuck it under the front noise overhang and it doesn't move nor mess with the front noise's form.

Tim

Kevin T. Wyum

"I bought it 7/31/03 (looked it up on my Quicken account) from the RX7store...

I am the one still missing the clamps. "
"
Have your email still : )

"the bottom of the intercooler duct is not CF'd and you can see the thickness of the sheet used..it only added 1/16" of an inch to the thickness.... Also if I test fit the bar...the duct would have to sit about 1 inch lower...

Right now it is sitting on the fan shroud...I can only guess that if I lower the radiator it would work..."

Does that mean problem solved on the duct? I used that same duct for years and the rod was fine till the stupid plastic hold down part broke. Obviously I assume the rubber O rings on the rod were moved right? : ) No bending should be done.

"apologies Kevin, this is the correct link from my old post when I had a question about the pipes...
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ght=intercooler

mine look exactly like Max's
the pipes used are the older M2 to help things fit....I cant get either pipe to fit with my setup correctly unless I use the older pipes"

There's really not any room for variation with the driver side tubes. They're built in a jig that requires them to all start and end in essentially the same place. I guess it's possible you got a tube from a large IC? I assume you've tried to flip it around etc? The turbo side can sometimes be cut a little high. That one is a real treat. It's the sharpest possible bend you can make with 2 3/4" tubing (one reason for the casting) and if you cut it too high it contacts the hood brace or strut bar and too low and you can't make a bead and they pop out of the coupler all the time. There's a sweet spot. If it was too high feel free to send it back to me directly and I'll trim it down and put a new bead on it. (not welding slag kind of bead heh).

The reason I could see getting a large pipe by mistake is they are sent to Jason as bulk orders. He gets a box with 10 tubes in it. I could see someone eye balling the tube and shipping the wrong one. Definately don't take a hammer to anything because you sure won't be able to exchange or trade anything you whacked with a hammer : ) It's easy enough to trim it up. If you're talking about using it with the air pump then I'm not sure. That tube isn't meant to fit with it and I'm not the right person to ask about how people have managed it. I really don't want to see someone that paid hard earned money for one of my products trying to force things or, perish the thought, taking a hammer to polished aluminum tubing.

Let me know.

Kevin T. Wyum

7racer

the airduct...well it is solved (I think) if I fab new brackets to drop the radiator...I would like to see someones to check fitments....just fabing the brackets would be a PITA...and a ROYAL one at that if I do it and it still didn;t fit!!! I need to look at it some more...but the weather sux right now in Dallas.

In regards to the piping, I think they used a another drivers side tube due to the use of the M2 tube on the inlet side...as this shifts the intercooler....I think. I think they did it because that was the only way they could mate the two close enough to line up the intercooler.

I still need to use the airpump due to the strict texas emmissions...I appreciate the offer Kevin, but I really need it to clear the airpump...thats why I have been asking about the pipe, and ask the rx7store about it back in July when I ordered it.....any guestimate on the ETA on that pipe? Comparing the pictures on my old post (though they don't show up anymore) they did match Max's exactly...I don't think I got the large pipe....I'll try to find a pic on the large piping and try to compare....but it really is that DAMN airpump

Kevin T. Wyum

Important part is I want to make sure you're happy in the end. The new cast tube is moving ahead now. Finally found a foundry to do it. Will take some time to work out the details and get the molds made etc. but the part that matters is that I found a place now. : )


Kevin T. Wyum

maxcooper

Just for reference... I bought my Medium directly from Kevin. I used it with the "straight" Y->IC pipe for years with the air pump. Then I got the M2 Y->IC pipe and used that with the air pump for a while. Then I went single.

The hood prop rod clears the IC duct without modification. The Y->IC pipe rubs on my strut tower bar. There was occasional contact with the air pump, and I think I turned the air pump inlet around and maybe shaved a little material off the air pump to help clear the pipe. But generally, it fits okay with the air pump (not great). I got the M2 pipe hoping that it would fit better, but it wasn't that different.

-Max

7racer

Thanks Max...

I keep looking at your pics and you ran petite air elements, I think that helped. Though, on M2 site, there is an old pic that looks as if everything fits fine with their CAI...

I remember searching an old post before I bought everything, in which you mention the same about the fitment (thats why i was so hopeful)...

you also have the widefoot mounts and a mazdacomp radiator....I really don't know why that duct sits sooo high (really the CF is NOT thick)...

The hood prop has me baffled! It really should fit....DAMMIT! Thanks for all the input...I'll try futzing with it some more.

Thanks Kevin for the support...let me know when the new pipe is out.

7racer

on a side note...could new motor mounts raise thing up???

maxcooper

Hey, it's Pettit not petite. Pronunciation is "pet-it" rather than "peteet".

I do have the widefoots and MazdaComp rad. I've got a Koyo rad that I am considering installing to increase the coolant capacity, but I am concerned about duct clearance. I'm still waffling on the issue -- might just keep the 'Comp rad.

I did grind down the duct just a tad to make room for some aluminized FG heat shielding on the bottom. Basically the duct sits on the backs of the fan motors, so you can remove a little material from the duct there to make it sit a little lower.

I had new motor mounts installed and it still fit with the air pump, etc.

-Max

RX7UP

Does this pipe and air pump clearance problem apply to the large ASP SMIC also?

7racer

I dunno Max...they still look a lil petite to me?!?!





thanks for the help....will keep messing with it.

dooma

Kevin, do you make an intercooler for an FC? How do the fin style intercoolers compare to the bar and plate intercoolers?

M104-AMG

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Does the ASP Medium work with the stock airbox and stock battery ? How about stock airbox, and TurboJeff battery-box ?

TIA,
:-) neil

darkside7

iTrader: (12)

I know for a fact that that the med will work with both stock and turbojeff battery box. The airbox I don't know.

Eddie

Mahjik

iTrader: (1)

Nope. You'd have to go with a smaller SMIC like a Blitz, Greddy or SR to keep both.

I don't think you'd get enough room from just a slightly smaller battery to fit a SMIC the size of the ASP/M2 Medium with the stock airbox.

M104-AMG

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How about the PFS intercooler, with a stock airbox ?

:-) neil

mdpalmer

iTrader: (24)

I havne't tried to fit the stock airbox with the M2 med. I don't think it will fit, not even close. I will try it sometime and let you guys know. The battery, on the other hand, fits right in. I didn't use a special tray, just drilled a hole in the bottom of the stock tray and used the right size j-bolt with a bushing on the bottom side to keep it from digging into the tray (fiberglass = brittle). I am using a 51r sized autozone Duralast gold battery, works like a charm!!

See pics.

gabe[7]

anyone know where i can get the ducting for the M2 Med?...
ive got the ic just not the ducting...haha

Mahjik

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You should be able to use the duct from Pettit Racing.

gracer7-rx7

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or use it as a good base for a custom vmount setup like i did with the M2 Large