that diffuser looks dope dude

 

Batman is right.
If you notice, the entire rear underside of a 360 is designed to flow with its defuser, which is why it looks so well flushed with the body as opposed to the "Tack On" look of a diffuser for an FD

 

I call it like it is.

If it looks like ****; smell like ****; do you call it fertilizer or ****?


Your statement assumes that functional parts will always look like ****. It doesn't have to be so.

Now for the functional part, how does anyone know that these parts are functional? Do you think Re-Anemiya spent money for windtunnel testing. I highly doubted it: They made some educated guess and claimed that it works and everyone and their grandma moses start sucking on Re-Anemiya's *****.

 

Hahahah, LMAO.

Here is a guy pushing bullshit out the door regarding the butt plugs and trying to fool everyone into thinking he had a special connection to Skip at KDR.

Haha, the only connection Batman had was a direct one from his *** to his brain.

 

damn... that is nice..

 

So how do you explain the looks of the FD then?

Like I said earlier sticking a diffusor under an FD does not make it functional unless you are the wishful type. The airflow under the car is so detached and turbulent before it gets to the diffusor that it just can't offer much. Notice how the underside of the Ferrari is smoothed and has nice throats with inlets to the diffusor in order to actually make it functional...

 

Yes

 

yeah

 

if you would take your head out of your *** for 2 seconds and consider the fact that YES this japanese companies DO test their products both on track and in the wind tunnel, you would realize that the only argument you have is that you don't like how it looks. you can't sit here and spout off about how they don't test, they just guess and put it on the car and go "ok it works!"

if you go to the c-west website you can find an article about their redesigned FD body kit, they also have video of the wind tunnel test session, and they even show test results, where the same car on the same track on the same day was ~2 seconds faster around the circuit after adding the body kit to the car, compared to running with stock body panels. RE-Amemiya has their SuperG Time Attack FD that holds over 6 track records in it's class over in Japan. That car uses all RE-A body pieces, including this rear diffuser from the first post.

Maybe these aftermarket companies don't have the budget like ferrari to make everything look very clean and all buttoned up like it came from the factory, but that's because these aftermarket companies are not the ones who designed the car. Ferrari designs the cars from the factory with the diffusers integrated to the underbody, and they maximize air flow to improve performance. Mazda was not concerned with top speed air flow under the car, because their cars are not built with racing in mind. Thats where aftermarket companies come in to improve on Mazda's design, and yes, they do work.

 

Looks like pomanferrari has an arch enemy.

 

OH the DRAMA !

edti: though of a question has any one devloped a smooth under tray for the fd ?
joel

 

[QUOTE=stokedxiv]if you would take your head out of your *** for 2 seconds and consider the fact that YES this japanese companies DO test their products both on track and in the wind tunnel, you would realize that the only argument you have is that you don't like how it looks. you can't sit here and spout off about how they don't test, they just guess and put it on the car and go "ok it works!" [QUOTE=stokedxiv]

Haha, if you would get your head out of Batman's *** for 2 secs you would see that your argument has a superficial allure of a bait and switch.

You state that C-West do windtunnel testing and then segue into RE-A body kit getting 2 secs faster. Still, that doesn't answer the question of whether Re-A did windtunnel testing for its diffuser. In sort, you're using the same technique as Bush: 9/11 .... IRAQ; 9/11 ... IRAQ. Most people would fall for this superficial allure analogy in equating C-West = Re-A.

Moreover, Mazda designed the car with a predetermined center of pressure based on downforce b/w the front and rear. Even if the squished-trash-can for a diffuser really worked, w/o complete information on ride height and whether a bigger front air dam is needed or not, the whole set up could be outright dangerous as you're moving the center of pressure way way off what Mazda designed it for. In effect, throwing this squashed trash can on the car could cause the car to ride with its nose up at high speed, causing dangerous lift.

 

Get my head out of Batman's ***? I'm pretty sure if you would take the time to read the thread you would see that i never replied to, quoted, or even mentioned Batman in any of my posts. Obviously I'm stuck up his *** because HE quoted one of MY posts... and yea, my reasoning for saying that the diffuser works can really be compared to the political strategies of our president. that makes sense

Anyway, it was the Cwest car lost 2 seconds per lap after adding the bodywork. Granted that had nothing to do with the RE-A diffuser, but you made a generalization about all Japanese Tuners not wind tunnel testing. If you would like, I will e-mail RE-A and ask them about their techniques and testing procedures when testing their products. Based on the fact that they have the fastest time attack car, and they also run a full race FD in the JGTC with all of their own original body panels, I would assume that they know what they're doing. Whether you think it looks like **** or not is not part of the question. Just because you don't like how it looks because it's not Ferrari-esk, doesn't automatically mean that it is not functional.

Also, trying to say that the rear diffuser will cause front end lift at high speeds is absolutely rediculous. You'd have a better argument if you were trying to convince people that adding a huge aluminum wing will cause you to pop a wheelie at 100mph plus because of all the extra downforce added to the rear wheels.

 

Poor man Ferrari............ tsk tsk

 

I still think the old RE style is more subtle, and better looking (in my own opinion).

 

Nice !

 

What I really want to know is, what in the hell are "bowtech" generators?










I know that R E Amemiya calls them "bowtech" but could they possibly mean "vortex"? I guess Japanesized english doesn't translate back to english so well.
And what do vortex generators do? Increase downforce(this is a real question)?

 

No wonder it costs 5K to replace a timing belt on one, you spend 90% of the time taking off aerodynamic BS, that only comes into play when you go faster than 90% of the owners are willig to go !

 

Actually, the 360 has access to the engine bay from inside the cabin for timing belt change.

The previous "modern" Ferraris(i.e. 355, 348, 512, etc) all required the engine to be dropped from the engine bay for a timing belt change. This costs about $7K.

 

Actually, Poman is correct. If you increase downforce at the rear, usually the effect at the front is lift.

 

Thank you Mr. Stock.

So Mr. Stokeiv, if you can't figure out "center of pressure" and "aerodynamic balance" than I am not surprised that you were sold on this squashed-trash-can-for-a-diffuser thingy. Hell, if a little downforce is good, a **** load of downforce must be really great eh?

 

Is that along the same lines as, 2 stickers = 10 hp; 20 stickers + a vinyl = mad power, yo !

 

I don't want to enter the argument here because I'm not picking sides but I don't believe a rear diffuser causes much downforce...it's basically just straightening out the air flowing from the rear of the car to make it smooth and less turbulent which will allow the car to achieve better aerodynamics. Not all aerodynamics are up and down for a car

 

First off, why is it called a "diffuser"? Well, air flow that diffuses across a larger surface area or volume tends to drop in speed causing a drop in local air pressure: same principle in a venturi for a carburator.

This drop in air pressure due to the diffused air flow induces the vehicle to sucked down to the road. If the rear end is forced down at speed due to the rear wing and the diffuser then how can the front end, if not appropriately compensated for with increased rear spring force or its own front diffuser, not be lifting at speed?

Second, what are you taking about "less turbulent"? That diffuser has a vortex generator so how can it be less turbulent? Where do you get such hogwash?

Ever watch F1 and see the amount of turbulence generated by the combination of diffusers and wings? These things increase turbulence and therefore drag.

I need to bring a shovel to these discussion y'all.

 

You really shouldn't enter the argument since you would lose, although you are partially correct.

A diffuser is designed to increase downforce. But it does that with little turbulence(read drag) when compared to a rear wing. This is the major advantage of a diffuser when compared to a rear wing.

Here is a little refresher for you http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...de/3518461.stm