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Also, it is too often that someone says "I had randomPOS when I was 16, and I beat the **** out of it, so I can only imagine what I would have done to an FD." This example is stupid IMO, because if you drive a POS you will treat it like a POS. It is just not the case if you respect your car.

rybrx7

But the fact still remains @ 16 you will not be able to afford the maintenance (including unforseen things ******* up) that our FD's need. Not without mommy and daddy, and therefore, missing out on a valuable lesson of earning the money yourself and buying it yourself, to appreciate and love it.

To be honest if i had a little bastard i'd give him a quick slap for even suggesting he mite drive my pride and joy

AntiVenom7

AGREED!

Too touch on Noons comment about the driving a POS like a POS cuz you think it isn't worth anything. I don't agree. When I was in school the kids with much nicer cars than mine (M3s, Corvettes, Etc) drove them just as stupidly as I did my 89 Transam GTA, a car that I would not consider a POS and that I paid for and maintained myself. I drove it that way until I wrapped it around a pole while street racing. It doesn't matter how much "skillz" you think you have when you hit a patch of dirt/sand going around a corner at 90mph.

Anyhow, there are people with a need/desire to race, anywhere and anytime, and some that don't. If you are not one of those people then maybe you can drive a sports car with maturity. If not then you are just blowing smoke up everyones ***, cuz what you are hearing rings true in your ears.

rotary-tt

Well my 340 'Cuda was not a random POS - I spent 2 years building it. And it was fairly quick as well, about the same as a stock FD. It was fast and I enjoyed driving it fast. I just realized that I couldn't control myself with it - not that I beat it but enjoyed getting into it too frequently. After losing the cop car, I realized that this was something I didn't need at this point in my life. I kept my other 6 cyl car (which I also spent years restoring and customizing) which I had paid for myself incl. the insurance. I just know that if I had an FD I would have had my foot into it for all it's worth at that time in my life. Not that every 16-18 yr old is like me but I think I was a typical kid with a fast car. Everyone wanted to race me and I enjoyed doing it But I was going in the wrong direction fast and may not be around today if I didn't get a 'slower' car...

Montego

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Post like these make me laugh... These kids act like we don't know what being 16 is like. Especially what a cool car can socially do for them at that age.

He (not directed at s-thetiz) may be responsible kid staight A's yada, yada. But let that testosterone kick in + the indestructible belief that comes from being young + a RWD sports car that can easily go up to 150 MPH = six feet under, no question about it.

Yeah right... "When I get an FD I will never let it rip, because I am a responsible individual". You may believe that, but I guarantee when you do have the FD in your possesion YOU WILL run it at WOT. May not be everyday, may be once a month, who knows but the reality is that you will run it. A 16 year old's driving experience is just plain scary. We only get one life and it only takes ONE incident to lose it. There is no 'reset' button in the real world boys.

BLACK ROCKET

rybrx7

Im personally more concerned about the FD being wrecked not the kid dying, cruel maybe, but he will bring it on himself, its the car i pity.

And a lot of the time you can lose control without pushing the car hard (i.e. in the wet) and its experience that determines whether you spin and go into a lamp post, or you regain control, and im sorry but an inexperienced 16 yr old will **** one and crash it no matter how *careful* they are. Nothing can make up for experience.

A famous person once said, "To a 16yr old, everyday is a track day"

Larz

There is a reason insurance is more expensive for younger drivers: they are inexperienced and far more likely to wreck. There is no substitute for experience. An FD with a young driver is an FD with a short lifespan. It's not the safest of cars. If I have a kid, I'm getting him a POS with a blown engine, rebuild kit, and tools for his 16th birthday. Earn it.

Toadman

Save the FDs! Toss them a helmet and the keys to a liter-class sportbike instead! It'll be over quicker and less painful in the pocketbook long-term.

911GT2

I agree, no parent should buy their child a car. I think thats the belief of all of us whose parents were not fortunate enough to hand their 16 year old the keys to the shiny new car of their choice.

But not allowing your child to purchase the car of their choice is just downright wrong. If the kid is working to pay for the car, he/she (i know a couple girls that can drive ) clearly wants the car very much. If they work that hard for it, they're bound to respect it. For example, I bought my FD when I was 18, and have since paid every dime for it and everthing that goes along with it. I work very hard to pay for it, and because of all the time and money I put into it, I won't do stupid things that will get the car or myself hurt.

Reading this thread has made me feel like theres a lot of hostility towards anyone under the age of 20 who drives a nice car, which annoys the hell outta me. If the person has worked hard and paid for the car themselves, then I respect that person more than the average adult with the cushy job who drives a nice car.

I know all of you adults know what it was like to be 16, and I can tell you I remember it quite well myself. I would not have wanted to myself to have an FD at 16, but if I had the money I would have bought one then, and I would have loved it just as much as I do now. I agree that having a car that can be so unpredicatable even to the experienced driver at such a young age is asking for trouble, but people need to make their own mistakes.

Not being a parent myself, I don't fully understand the feelings that parents have for their children. I know that to parents who understand the capabilities of an FD, handing the keys to one to your child must feel like signing their death sentence. But if the child is paying for the car themselves... thats a whole different ballgame.

911GT2

You want him to really earn it? Tell him to get a job, buy a POS with a blown engine, tools, and a rebuild kit himself.

DCrosby

I can't really talk since I did wreck my FD, but I wasn't 16 I was 27 and I encountered dirt in a corner I thought I could take, and adhesion wanted to argue with me, and I lost... on a public highway, needless to say I haven't driven aggressively since then, even though no one including myself got hurt, the possibility of a different outcome scared the hell out of me...

I had bought myself an 1987 Audi GT as my first car, 5Cyl. FWD. and I tried all kinds of crazy **** off road in Florida, on dirt back-roads etc... and in the process due to the Unusual wear and tear ruined several components, which finally lead to a transmission failure.. I loved that car too, so no matter how much someone likes a car, peer pressure will get to you, especially if you have a car that CAN outperform others, and others want to prove their racing abilities... as a 16 year old guy your brain is disabled due to your libido... there is little you can do about it unless you've been cart, racing since you were 10, if you can get the whole speed racing / car control thing out of your brain at an early age, I might think differently, once your 16'th birthday rolls around... and you know to keep the racing on the track and the driving on the road...

My Rant...

-DC

FormerPorscheGuy

Would I give the keys to a 16 year old? Never.

youngin

16 yr olds are not the only one wrecking FDs.

My dad bought a 93 when I was 16. He let me drive it occasionally on the weekends. When I was out driving around I told people that I would not race because I did not know how to properly drive the car.My dad gave me the car after I turned 17. I think I earned it by making good test scores and grades which gets my college paid for.

Im almost 18 now and no wrecks. The apex seals went on the car about 4 months ago and I am the one paying for the reman, streetport, downpipe, ECU, ect. Im also the one taking the car apart with some help from my dad. 16-18yr olds can be responsible.

AntiVenom7

there are always one or two exceptions to the rule, but the fact still remains that 99.999999% of 16 year old guys wouldn't have that much control.

rotary-tt

Well I for one am not being hostile. Just don't think it's a good idea in general. I'm sure I would be one of those 'statistics' if I had a car like this. As other have said you can be in your 20's and wreck it. I've gotten mine out of hand a few times. Just the extra years of experience with a RWD drive car kept me out of trouble (and some luck).

More philosophy: I don't thing it's a good idea to let a 16 yr old work so hard just to pay for a car. There are better things they should be saving for, like college. Parents should not hand them this either. I had the 1st 2 yrs handed to me and I screwed around. Then I dropped out, worked for a year, then went back on my own. I had a lot more respect for the real world and $$ after having a 'permanent'' job and having to pay for college myself. Turned my grades around and got a FB near the end. Then bought an FC when I graduated.

No hostility here, just advice from someone who's run their cars hard from 16yrs old till now. I've made dents in the carpet under the gas pedal in every car I've owned. Just can't get into as much trouble when it take longer to get going fast

Fatman0203

My dad gave me my FD when I was 18 as my graduation present. I would wait for that boy or girl to at least turn 18 until purchasing them such a car, unless they have a daily beater thus they can use the FD for AUtoX and such.

[Edit] He didnt GIVE it to me, he provided the credit for me to make the payments [Edit]

adam c

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Giving to FD keys to a 16 year old??

What a joke. Sixteen year old KIDS are not mature. None of them. Some are more mature than others. Most think they are great drivers and can handle anything that comes their way. They are wrong.

Why do you think 16 year old KIDS have insurance rates 3 times as high as 30 year old drivers. It's simple. They get in accidents. It's not always while showing off. They make mistakes. React poorly, or overreact. They simply do not have the experience that comes with YEARS of driving experience.

Giving a sixteen year old an FD is like giving them a loaded gun. There is a very good chance that something bad will happen.

jwaingold

From what I have read in this thread, it sounds like none of you would give a 16 year old a FD. Well, im 16 years old and I drive a 93 FD. I have owned the car for almost two years. I did not buy the car, but it was given to me from my dad (who is a used car dealer). He payed less than 2,000 for the car. The car as of now has 194,000 miles on it, and it still runs great. In the time I have had to the car, I have added these mods:

1. Veilside C-2 Body Kit (Yes, I know everyone and there mom hates it because it was in a movie, wow wupdodido )
2. New paint job
3. Turbo Timer
4. 99 Spec tail light modification
5. Boost & Air/Fuel ratio gauges on an a-pillar
6. Grounding system off of ebay
7. Apex'i N1 Catback exhaust
8. 17" ICW Racing rims

Most of this was done with my money and only my money, so yes a 16 year old can support the needs of a FD. I am currently waiting on my Apex'i Intakes and a new downpipe. I buy a new part for this car atleast once a month. I treat this thing like a baby and respect it. In the actual time I have had my license I have never been into a wreck or even came close to having one.

I believe, that 16 year olds can own one, but only a very select few. They would need to have a job and a bunch of responsibility and maturaity. I currently do have a job, I make $10 an hour and work almost everyday after school. I do webdesign for this company in town. And I also believe I am a mature and responsible person.

But this is just my opinion on the subject. I'm not trying to flame or cause any trouble. But many people have different aspects on these types of subjects.

This is my input on the topic.

-jwaingold

Scrapiron7

I look at it this way.. The more younger FD drivers there are, the more likely the remaining FDs are to go up in value from diminished numbers

AntiVenom7

to have an FD with that many miles you are truly lucky. chances are that an 7 is not gonna last that long and I know that I for one couldn't afford a $2000-3000 engine when I was 16. so it would either be sold, mom and dads credit card to the rescue, or a nice new lawn ornament.

oh and down with that fast & furious body kit j/k your car looks clean.

youngin

So im immature for telling people I dont want to race because I dont know how to handle/drive the car?

I will agree that most 16 yr olds do make poor mistakes while driving but not all. There are excpetions.

jwaingold

When I hit 200,000 miles or summer comes again (which ever happens first), I (myself) am going to rebuild my engine, tranny, and turbo's. I know your all saying, "a 16 year old rebuilding the complete engine? Yea right!" Well my dad has been a used car dealer since I was born and I have been around almost every kind of car, I have never worked on rebuilding a rotary though, so this will be alittle different to me. If I fail at rebuilding some of the parts, which I won't, I will take it to a professional. And thanks for the comment.

-jwaingold

AntiVenom7

youngin i don't think anyone is talking about you specifically. if you are referring to my post, then you must have misunderstood. i said there may be a few exceptions to the rule. if you are one of those then great for you. it takes more ***** to say you don't know WTF you're doing then to pretend that you do.

jwain if you are gonna do that rebuild yourself. i have to give you some captain kool points, cuz my dad owned a mechanic & autobody shop most of my life and I wouldn't touch the internals of a rotary. course that may be due to the fact that these days I have more money than time and wouldn't wanna mess with the headache.

rybrx7

jwaingold: i'll buy you a fricken medal if you want? All that in 2 years isnt that amazing, you saying right now if you engine went pop and your turbo's fooked and various other things you could afford, straight away, the 3-4k to get the stuff fixed? NO, i really wouldnt believe you if you said you could without help, hence another FD off the road that could be being driven by some1 in a better financial situation.

And if you actually read the thread its not just the money part (sounds like you owe your dad $2000 anyway ) but the fact your too young to be driving an FD, no matter how mature you think you are it doesnt make up for experience.

And from the mods you have listed above, (including ones on there way) i think your going to be needing a new ecu soon (=$1000) especially with that many miles on it :p

And being a used car dealer doesnt mean anyone knows **** about engines, and i bet only a select few though his yard were rotaries, nothing alike, but good luck

BUT if you can afford, and can drive it, fair play to you, just please dont crash it.