My R2

Ok before I begin I do want to tell mr_jonboy I meant to spell theywrong
Ok I am lying

But you spelled Uh wrong

The = They

Which is fastest? RX-7
Which is quickest? RX-7
Which is most reliable? S2000
Which is best in snow? WRX
Which is the best bang for the buck when modded? RX-7
Which is easiest to mod? RX-7

Now when we get into times (actual times) and other varying aspects of cars is when all the name calling begins. So let me be the first to say... I am an avid RX-7 fan. Heck, I bought one new and still have it. In fact, I got in a shouting match about the 1/4 mile time for an RX-7. Most people would have you believe that the best time is 13.9. WRONG. I have seen many faster times than that. One that I believe EVERYONE should know of is Kevin Wynum (sp error?). In any case, variation of cars and drivers are as large as Rosie O'Donald is wide. The S2000 can and does break 14s in the 1/4 mile. One may have to rev the heck out of the engine BUT it is POSSIBLE! That is the main thing. Can I break 13 in the RX-7 (in other words can I get 12.9), NO I can't. AGAIN THIS IS STOCK CARS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT!!! I notice a lot of S2000 critics mention that the engine has no pull below 6000rpm. I am here to dispute that. As I bought one and have yet to break it so I have not past 5500 rpm and it pulls just fine. The ONLY thing I notice is the car is louder at 4000 rpm than any other car I have been in. Again this is not to knock the RX-7 one the best sports cars in the WORLD, but rather to defend another GREAT car the HONDA S2000. As for the WRX, I think it is out of its element here. I mean it is a GREAT car too, but compared to the RX-7 and the S2000 it is no sports car. But it is one nice car I hope to add to my collection one day. But I think I will wait for the STI version. UMM UMM Good.
No flames were intended in the above post. But I still have a feeling I have better put my fire suit on. FLAME ON!

Peace

technonovice

The best daily driver to haul the friends, groceries and car parts in?
WRX....Fd has limited ability here, but that can be advantageous!

Want a convertible?
S2000...Chopped FDs are ugly.

Performance? The FD's ability and reputation stands alone here.

My point is that these are very different cars and nonperformance issues would influence a buyer in most cases. the best purchase may not be the best performer.

zyounker

BTW In a quarter the WRX & S2K are about the same..

for $60 the WRX will do a 13.4 though.. (K&N panel filter & MBC)

As for everything else (handling) the S2K is better...
The WRX came with really crappy tires from the factory which does not help..


But comparing them in any other way is pointless. they are different breeds of car.. One is a convertable. (NOT ROADSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) one is a AWD Turbo rally car. Then the FD is a completely different too..


I really hate when people call convertables roadsters.. get a clue..


-Zach

My R2

Kudos, well said guys. I agree with both of you. All three cars are three different breeds. All of which do there own thing in a respectable manner.

technonovice
Chopped RX-7s are SMOOTH

technonovice

Are you trying to burst my double bubble roof?

3rdGenLuvr

But has this whole Rally thing just hit me? You gotta give some credit to the WRX for what its capable of considering its a FAMILY CAR!!!! How can you not respect that? Unlike a car that is built as a sports car but doesnt owe up.
I like the S2000 always will but for the money vs performance its a disappointment. If it were priced arnd $25k it wld be a different story.

I only hope the RX8 doesnt disappoint us in the same manner.

Back to the Rally thing, if some of you think the WRX is kinda cool wait till the end of this yr! The Evo 7 or 8, WRX STi are coming. Can u imagine if Nissan brought over the GTR? These cars are too intense.........family car by night......sport car eater by day!!! Lol.
Whats there not to like?


One thing I had to say about the last thread on this subject, how does a person throw out similiar times listed by THREE different mags to side with ONE other? In all my yrs, MT and R&T consistently had crazy times posted.

zyounker

That is just it.. If you want a acurate # do an average of them...


Guess what Depending on Driver the WRX & S2K are about the same in the quarter mile..


BTW if you don't know how to drive a WRX it will be slower...

WRX:

Launch @ about 4-5K and slip the cluch pretty bad.. Take 1st up to 7K then on the following gears shift at about 6 - 6.5.. This would be a car with a MBC.. Without a MBC you might even want to shift earlyer...


-Zach

jasonic

MBC, you mean Manual Boost Controller, right? How high should you crank those babbies up? My bro just bought one, I'd love to help him get it fast eventually.

Anyone know the stock boost numbers on the WRX? While we're on the subject, is the boost tuned down for the first 1k miles, aka initial break in period of the engine?

anyone know?

-j

zyounker

No, Stock the WRX runs about 14.2Psi boost.. In 1st gear it only does about 7 Psi...

With a MBC(Manual boost controller) it gives you almost full boost in first & then what ever you set for the rest..

It is safe to run up to 16Psi of boost.. But i just run 1 bar on mine.. It is safe that way..


check out http://www.i-club.com/forum they have a lot of good info on the WRX...


Also look into getting an up pipe & turbo back exhaust.. And also a ECU mod.. You can get a lot more power out of the car.. The only problem is the WRX tranny sucks.. it is only good for about 300 foot pounds of torque..


-Zach

s2kdriver

don't take this the wrong way, but are you (in a way) saying that you'd rather have a miata than s2k? cause choices are limited for a nimble 'vert... s2k, tt, boxster, z3, miata, mr2-s

then again, if 240hp isn't enough to satisfy you, i doubt that ~150 in the mr2-s / miata will either. choices are few and far between for speedy convertibles nowadays.. that is, until you move up to the vette & m3 price range droooooooooooooool....

Sloraxe

What makes a good sports car for me is:
A) Performance

B) Style

The S 2000 has good performance, but for me it is lacking in style, I mean it is a nice car, but it looks less like a sports car.

The FD has always had handfuls of both.

REDLINE

since we're on the topic...can someone explain what the difference between a roadster and a convertable is? I always though roadster meant 2 seat convertible and convertivle can be any drop top? Is the Z3 considered a roadster? How is this different than an S2000...thanks.

JoeD

a roadster is a 2 seater thats convertable.

all other 4 or 2+2 seater cars that are convertables are not considered roadster. for example, will you think of a Chrystler Sebring or Mustang as a roadster?? no.

My R2

Who me???

REDLINE

then why did zyounker say the s2000 is not a roadster?????

FD Seeker

S2Ks have a great long hoodline, but overall still come across as a little flimsy. Miatas are way more stylish than a S2K. Throw on a supercharger and I'm good to go.

The 7 stands alone.

trigeek37

all 3 rock in their own way/environment, comparing these cars does not make a whole lot of sence...

the RX7 is a pure sports-coupe
the WRX is a really car
the S2000 is a classicly designed sports car

all 3 cool cars, just not very comparable IMO

LD's WRX

I dig the WRX

but like everyone has said, all three are completely different types of cars, each with it's own pluses and minuses depending on the situation you put it in

i'm not lucky enough to be able to have a daily driver and a sports car so i went with the WRX...my roommate, on the other hand, has his daily driver, an Outback, and his RX7...and he'll beat me all day long in most situations on the road...my WRX is strictly street, but put me on a rally course and i would kill his RX7

jmseven

Stock on stock on a track againts any of those other cars.....

The FD for sure....no questions asked.

I had seen a video of all the "stock" Japan Super cars....the FD dusted them ALL.

I am a true fan for over 11 years now.....remember....1.3 liters thats all it takes!!

MPower

I agree, the RX7 is bad car. I love it.

I've driven the other and I'm not impressed with the S2. Maybe because I have an M Roadster and the build a quality isn't as good and the motor is not torquey and not quite.
The S2 is hard to upgraded, with that motor you are kinda forced to go NA. Going NA is going to be expensive. There is a Comptech supercharger for it and it pushes 350hp at the crank and on does 13.4 quarter. To me its not worth the money.

The wrx is a good car. Its hard to find a 4 four capable of low 14s and under 25g and plus you can drive year long. To upgrade is pretty easy. My friend has a few upgrades nothing huge but can beat T/As and the older corvettes C4.

With the RX7 just simple upgrades you can hit 13s and 12s with ease. I'd go with the 7 or any of BMW M-series.

Just my thoughts

Mindphrame

Ppl that say that the cars should not be compaired b/c they are in diff classes, this is true to a point of course. But everyone on the roadways is in the same class if you ask me, on the road driveing along you see a WRX or a S2K, is he going to care that his car should not race b/c its a rally car or a roadster/convertable (jury is still out on that one)? HELL NO. You both are going to drop a gear (or 2) and go at it. Thats what I kinda think that this post is about, who would win with equal drivers.

Oh and I dont really mean EVERYONE is in the same class com'mon, dont lay into me for that. Im talking performance/tweaked out cars

zyounker

Because, the S2K is not a roadster..


a roadster does not have a top.. never has, never will.. if it has a top it is a convertable..


Think of an old TR3, no top.. They are using the term roadster to sell **** to the ignorant! because it sounds better.

-Zach

REDLINE

Oh, ok. Cool. Thanks for the info. Zach. But is the z3 and s2000 considered a convertible then? Or does a convertible HAVE to have 2+2?

zyounker

Convertable has nothing to do with seating..


A roadster should only have 1 seat...

The Z3 and S2K are marketed as Roadsters.. Which is an incorrect term. But it seperates them from your average convertable & makes them sound faster...

I think the should be called sports cars.. I mean, you still call an convertable FC a Sports car right?


-Zach

zyounker

http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=roadster


http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/di...rm=convertible


Here is the definitions.. Not very clear really..


-Zach