New product idea, need feedback: "starter" vacuum line/check valve kit
04-08-05, 04:42 PM
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New product idea, need feedback: "starter" vacuum line/check valve kit
Hey guys -
I've been thinking about making a vacuum line starter kit for novices. Basically, you'd get 4 of my Viton check valves with the vacuum line to/from them pre-cut and ziptied onto the check valve with the lines labeled, and some extra pre-cut and labeled lines to replace the common "problem" lines that go to the upper intake manifold. I might also make directions on how to install the lines, etc.
If this was a reasonably priced kit (I have NO idea how much line would be required, so I'd have to do some figuring before I have a price) would you guys be interested? A buddy of mine runs a local import shop, and he stocks Hose Techniques high-quality line in the 4 main colors (black, red, blue, yellow).
What do you guys think?
Thanks,
Dale
I've been thinking about making a vacuum line starter kit for novices. Basically, you'd get 4 of my Viton check valves with the vacuum line to/from them pre-cut and ziptied onto the check valve with the lines labeled, and some extra pre-cut and labeled lines to replace the common "problem" lines that go to the upper intake manifold. I might also make directions on how to install the lines, etc.
If this was a reasonably priced kit (I have NO idea how much line would be required, so I'd have to do some figuring before I have a price) would you guys be interested? A buddy of mine runs a local import shop, and he stocks Hose Techniques high-quality line in the 4 main colors (black, red, blue, yellow).
What do you guys think?
Thanks,
Dale
04-08-05, 06:35 PM
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I think one of the greatest value items that could be added to a vacuum line kit is lots of diagrams of how they are routed (what nipple to what nipple). I got some parts fiche diagrams that turned out to be very helpful when I did mine, and I also used the popular "one big picture" diagram.
I am not sure what you are planning to use to label them, but the label might be more annoying that helpful if it is a gummy sticker or hard-to-remove tag. Perhaps pre-cut hoses with a silk screened (or felt pen?) number on each one would be the least annoying way to label them, but some buyers may have appearance objections to that approach. Perhaps some hose cutters, a big coil of hose, and a diagram annotated with some measurements for each hose would be best.
Some kind of tool to remove or install the hoses without damaging them would be nice, too. A few of the hoses are hard to get to. Maybe a diagram with part numbers for each item that might break during the job would be helpful, too, since sometimes things break, especially on your first hose job. Descriptions, pictures, and part numbers for "while you're in there, you might as well replace this" items might be a nice value-add as well.
-Max
I am not sure what you are planning to use to label them, but the label might be more annoying that helpful if it is a gummy sticker or hard-to-remove tag. Perhaps pre-cut hoses with a silk screened (or felt pen?) number on each one would be the least annoying way to label them, but some buyers may have appearance objections to that approach. Perhaps some hose cutters, a big coil of hose, and a diagram annotated with some measurements for each hose would be best.
Some kind of tool to remove or install the hoses without damaging them would be nice, too. A few of the hoses are hard to get to. Maybe a diagram with part numbers for each item that might break during the job would be helpful, too, since sometimes things break, especially on your first hose job. Descriptions, pictures, and part numbers for "while you're in there, you might as well replace this" items might be a nice value-add as well.
-Max
04-08-05, 11:11 PM
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I'm thinking less of a full-on vacuum line replacement kit as a simple kit to just replace the "problem child" lines - all the lines with check valves in them, the line to the MAP sensor, the lines to the pressure tank, and the lines you disconnect when removing the upper intake manifold. This would basically be a kit for someone who's not totally comfortable working on the car that would be relatively easy to install and would likely solve 90% of the common problems that are related to vacuum hoses.
I'd likely label the hoses with some sort of removable sticker - shouldn't be hard to find a solution that's easy to remove by the end user.
Bob, here's the best vacuum diagram out there -
http://www.turborx7.com/images/Techn...e_diagram2.jpg
It would be easy to save to a disk and have Kinko's print you a large copy. I'm currently just using a well-stained printout from my inkjet around the garage, but I'm eventually going to make myself an 11x17" laminated version.
Any other input on the "starter kit"? It's going to be time consuming to document, measure, and design the kit to start with, and I'd like to see if there's demand for it before I put the work in
.
Dale
I'd likely label the hoses with some sort of removable sticker - shouldn't be hard to find a solution that's easy to remove by the end user.
Bob, here's the best vacuum diagram out there -
http://www.turborx7.com/images/Techn...e_diagram2.jpg
It would be easy to save to a disk and have Kinko's print you a large copy. I'm currently just using a well-stained printout from my inkjet around the garage, but I'm eventually going to make myself an 11x17" laminated version.
Any other input on the "starter kit"? It's going to be time consuming to document, measure, and design the kit to start with, and I'd like to see if there's demand for it before I put the work in
.Dale
04-09-05, 12:08 AM
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Dale, I think there would be some interest and a great idea, but I don't know if I would switch mine out until I started developing problems with the sequential system?
Anyways great work and a nice website!
Anyways great work and a nice website!
04-09-05, 08:17 AM
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Dale:
Having just re-done my earlier silicone hose job with viton from HiTempSilicone, I'd vote unequivocally 'yes' for this kit. If you do the complete hose job, and remove and replace all the hoses, eventuallly you have to come back to the diagram and trace each individual hose and it's destination. You have to take the rack and the 2 webs of metal piping above it off the car, and once you do that, you're piecing it all back together. So, if you had been selling a pre-fab viton hose kit, I'd have bought it. Right now, my car is back together, and running way rich, and I'm trying to find out why. You're hose kit would have eliminated the questions I now have about correct hose placement.
Bob
Having just re-done my earlier silicone hose job with viton from HiTempSilicone, I'd vote unequivocally 'yes' for this kit. If you do the complete hose job, and remove and replace all the hoses, eventuallly you have to come back to the diagram and trace each individual hose and it's destination. You have to take the rack and the 2 webs of metal piping above it off the car, and once you do that, you're piecing it all back together. So, if you had been selling a pre-fab viton hose kit, I'd have bought it. Right now, my car is back together, and running way rich, and I'm trying to find out why. You're hose kit would have eliminated the questions I now have about correct hose placement.
Bob
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