New FD owner as of tomorrow
08-18-04, 09:56 PM
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New FD owner as of tomorrow
hello all, figured i would introduce myself to the forums since i plan on spending a lot of time here in the future... FD's have always been my ideal car since i was a little kid, and now ive finally made the finacial decision to go out and get one! tomorrow i will be picking up a 94 touring edition, black on tan with 68k very lightly modified for 17k. the car just had the transmission redone (clutch, pressure plate, synchros, bearings, rods) by KD Rotary in PA. ive gotta drive about 6 hours each way to get it (im in RI, its in DE) but in my friends STi, the drive shouldnt be too boring 
look forward to posting with you all soon, and ill get pics up as soon as i can.
look forward to posting with you all soon, and ill get pics up as soon as i can.
08-19-04, 05:28 AM
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thanks guys! im leaving now and should be back sometime this evening depending on traffic though new york/new jersey. lets hope i dont get stuck too long in one place, i dont want my engine to fry just yet 
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ah, im sorry to say this car did not work out...
after 6 or so hours of driving, i pull into the driveway of Die For MX (member here, which i did not know previous to this) and in the garage i see a BEAUTIFUL black touring edition FD... absolutely gorgeous inside and out. minor mods (bov, intake, greddy piping, v-afc, turbo timer) and i was ready to take this thing home. started it up, idled pretty good for an FD, temp ran low-middle of stock gauge everything was good. then we took it for a spin...
we pull out into the street, and the first road is a backroad so im driving nice and slow, but i hear this aweful noise from under the hood every once in a while, and occasionally it stays on for a few seconds... Die For MX assures me that its just because the stock airbox is off, and the air pump just "sounds like that, if you get a filter on it, it quiets right down"... ok, whatever we'll see... so anyway, finally the road opens up into a nice straight away and he tells me, drop it into 3rd and gun it! WOO HOO! the moment ive been waiting for! and!!!! blah... this thing was NOT impressive... as i said in the beginning of this thread, i drove down in an STi, which should pull *very* similar to a relatively stock FD.... absolutly not the case.. the boost guage is reading .4 which for some reason, i assumed was BAR and did not know that conversion off the top of my headl, so could not apply it to the 10-8-10 ideal boost pattern... so a couple more runs and we go back... i ask my friend who owns the sti to come out with me for a quick spin. he does, i gun it, and he goes "WTF?!?!" ... between the aweful noise from under the hood and the fact that his old integra gsr would seemingly take this thing, he was baffled... we get back to the house and i tell them that i was disappointed that i drove 6 hours and was not informed ahead of time of the air pump, and that the car was definitely not running at full potential. again, im assured the air pump is "normal" and im also told that the stock exhaust is very restrictive, thats why its not pulling (isnt a stock FD 13.5???). so i call a friend and have them convert .4 BAR -> psi... that equals 5.8.... that car was maxing out at 5.8psi. i inform the owners of this and i get 2 things. 1. "i didnt say you were getting a 13 second car" and 2. "its actually measuring kg/cm3 not bar"...... ok, as to #1. although i was never told i was getting a 13 second car, i was also never told i was getting a car with an aweful boost pattern, and a shot air pump. and for #2 get this... .4 bar = 5.8psi right? well .4 kg/cm3 is even LESS at 5.68psi!!! geez!! and the whole time, the owners are pleading the airpump is fine, and they knew nothing about a boost leak.... well after finding out it belongs to a member here, i search for topics he's posted and surprise surprise!!! he talks about his air pump dying right before going in for emissions!!! and he also talks about how he beat some car even though he has a boost leak!!!
"had the cat pretty hot"?!?! and they KNEW i was driving this thing back to rhode island after this!!
and on top of this, there are numerous post on here about the car being raced and taken over 150, when i was told it was garaged most of the time and hardly driven....
needless to say, i decided not to get the car, and after coming here and searching the threads, im glad i didnt. i just wish i knew ahead of time so that i would have avoided the 12 hours i spent in the car today, because a couple people were trying to pull a fast one on an unsuspecting buyer...
after 6 or so hours of driving, i pull into the driveway of Die For MX (member here, which i did not know previous to this) and in the garage i see a BEAUTIFUL black touring edition FD... absolutely gorgeous inside and out. minor mods (bov, intake, greddy piping, v-afc, turbo timer) and i was ready to take this thing home. started it up, idled pretty good for an FD, temp ran low-middle of stock gauge everything was good. then we took it for a spin...
we pull out into the street, and the first road is a backroad so im driving nice and slow, but i hear this aweful noise from under the hood every once in a while, and occasionally it stays on for a few seconds... Die For MX assures me that its just because the stock airbox is off, and the air pump just "sounds like that, if you get a filter on it, it quiets right down"... ok, whatever we'll see... so anyway, finally the road opens up into a nice straight away and he tells me, drop it into 3rd and gun it! WOO HOO! the moment ive been waiting for! and!!!! blah... this thing was NOT impressive... as i said in the beginning of this thread, i drove down in an STi, which should pull *very* similar to a relatively stock FD.... absolutly not the case.. the boost guage is reading .4 which for some reason, i assumed was BAR and did not know that conversion off the top of my headl, so could not apply it to the 10-8-10 ideal boost pattern... so a couple more runs and we go back... i ask my friend who owns the sti to come out with me for a quick spin. he does, i gun it, and he goes "WTF?!?!" ... between the aweful noise from under the hood and the fact that his old integra gsr would seemingly take this thing, he was baffled... we get back to the house and i tell them that i was disappointed that i drove 6 hours and was not informed ahead of time of the air pump, and that the car was definitely not running at full potential. again, im assured the air pump is "normal" and im also told that the stock exhaust is very restrictive, thats why its not pulling (isnt a stock FD 13.5???). so i call a friend and have them convert .4 BAR -> psi... that equals 5.8.... that car was maxing out at 5.8psi. i inform the owners of this and i get 2 things. 1. "i didnt say you were getting a 13 second car" and 2. "its actually measuring kg/cm3 not bar"...... ok, as to #1. although i was never told i was getting a 13 second car, i was also never told i was getting a car with an aweful boost pattern, and a shot air pump. and for #2 get this... .4 bar = 5.8psi right? well .4 kg/cm3 is even LESS at 5.68psi!!! geez!! and the whole time, the owners are pleading the airpump is fine, and they knew nothing about a boost leak.... well after finding out it belongs to a member here, i search for topics he's posted and surprise surprise!!! he talks about his air pump dying right before going in for emissions!!! and he also talks about how he beat some car even though he has a boost leak!!!
Originally Posted by Die For MX
Just passed emissions in Wilmington DE this afternoon without my air pump. It was dying and finally died right before I went into the station. Had the cat pretty hot.
Originally Posted by Die For MX
There were about 5 or 6 different incidents where we were next to each other and punched it. Each time I just completely walked him. I was starting to think it was underpowered, but it was the newest ss you could get. I'm only getting 8-8.5psi max right now because of a boost leak
needless to say, i decided not to get the car, and after coming here and searching the threads, im glad i didnt. i just wish i knew ahead of time so that i would have avoided the 12 hours i spent in the car today, because a couple people were trying to pull a fast one on an unsuspecting buyer...
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08-19-04, 10:29 PM
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Well, even tho that's a long *** drive, lots of gas money, and a whole day blow, I still gotta say, that was VERY wise of you. A lot of times we get soo infatuated w/ the car, we start making excuses for things, and may make an emotional decision we'll come to regret later on...when we're in clear mind. The FD is definitely not something you wanna buy w/ problems, unless you know EXACTLY what you're doing, and you've had a couple yourself...otherwise, you could have dug yourself in a HUGE financial hole...
Sorry for your experience, but I'm sure you'll find an excellent FD soon enough. On that note, try finding someone on Cars.com, an older gentleman who just wants to get rid of "that sports car" he has. The rule of thumb is, if it's on the forum, it's been drivin hard as hell, no matter WHAT they say....cuz forum memebers are enthusiasts.
Sorry for your experience, but I'm sure you'll find an excellent FD soon enough. On that note, try finding someone on Cars.com, an older gentleman who just wants to get rid of "that sports car" he has. The rule of thumb is, if it's on the forum, it's been drivin hard as hell, no matter WHAT they say....cuz forum memebers are enthusiasts.
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yeah, like i said, i wish i knew it was on here beforehand... but either way, i think its lame that an enthusiast was so dishonest about selling their car... and its not like i came across as an FD noob, i knew my stuff for the most part... and he still tried to play me. ohhhh well. thanks for the support
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08-19-04, 11:16 PM
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Good move to not purchase the car. Maybe he'll get the things fixed and then maybe you guys can work something out. I dunno. Just be patient about buying an FD. I know you'll want to jump on one quickly, but finding the "right" one is key. It took me 5-6 months to find the one I finally bought. Good luck with your car search.
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derek, sorry that you expected more out of an FD, I'm not going to sit here and defend myself or anything, because the problems that you're stating are for the most part true(air pump, clogged precat, low boost while you were driving it). I know you don't know much about FD's, but you're living in a partial fantasy considering that you've never even driven an FD before.
After you left I put the DP, trust midpipe, and trust catback on to give it another shot, renewed my insurance, reset the fuzzy logicness, and took it out and bang, 12-10-12(considering open exhaust) just like I had assured you. I told you that you would have to put a full exhaust on it, and if you know anything about these cars you would have just agreed with me, which I know is hard because you don't know me that well. You claimed to have a deep knowledge of these cars, but have never driven one or worked on one, how does that work? It doesn't. Yes, you can learn a lot of stuff by reading about it on the internet, but to really know what you're doing takes a lot of time working with things. The boost leak that you're citing from a previous post was infact a leaky check valve that I had diagnosed and fixed within the next month.
Yes, the car was always garaged, but I bought it with 51000 miles, and now it has 68000 miles, do you think that I didn't drive my car dude? I'm allowed to do whatever I want, truth is, you are going to do the same thing. The car is fast, should I have kept it under 150 so that I could preserve it for someone else? Does 150 damage the car? Plenty of forum members have had their cars up in that velocity range.
Your problem is that you're a new enthusaist that will do anything for one of these cars and you want everything on a 10 year old car to be perfect. You're going to have to put some time into things if you want them to be your way. I knew you weren't going to buy the car when you were disappointed that it didn't shoot flames out of the stock exhaust, at least that was the question that you asked my mom. I do not like the way that you try to slander my car on the internet just because you're inexperienced and haven't a clue what to do. By the way, do a search for the word "moo" and see what comes up, 9 times out of 10 it will be about the airpump. I believe you're jumping into things that you aren't ready for. Who cares if you drove 6 hours to see it. I did that at least 10 times before I bought my FD. As a matter of fact, when I bought this one, I spent two days in an airport on standby, waiting for a flight to california. Then I had to drive it back across the country, which took 5 days.
You're friends on the other hand, seemed like very cool, knowledgable guys, and it was a pleasure meeting them. As a matter of fact, while you were out test driving the car, your friend had told me that you were living in a forum based fantasy world, and this was your first chance to experience the reality of an FD. He also told me other stories of you're careless mistakes with motorized vehicles.
Instead of negotiating like a good buyer would, you began to argue with us and get nasty. While you were out driving, I talked with my dad and we were going to drop the price and throw in the exhaust until you started to act like a true *******. We knew you were inexperienced, and we didn't want to sell the car to an inexperienced person. When we asked if you wanted it for a lower price, you said "it's too late, I already have a cashiers check for 17 grand." You looked like you were going to cry dude, c'mon. Well, when I bought the car, I got a cashiers check for 3 grand less than the amount that they wanted for it, and then 3 separate thousand dollar checks to see if I could talk them down, and it worked. Plus, the bill of sale would tell the story and you would be refunded for the remainder. You were just uncooperable, and to be honest, I'm glad that I didn't sell my car to you. I could tell you weren't serious when you said you didn't have much money to put into the car once you had it. This car isn't really a toy in the sense that you can just play with it and hang it up when you're done with it, IT IS A MONEY PIT, ASK ANY FORUM MEMBER!! It's no coincicence that you would get on the net and whine about it either, I would expect you to do that. Personally, after I turned down many sellers, I didn't do that.
Now that I think about it, I'm really glad that I didn't sell it to you, because I just started this new job and finally have enough money to do a large street port and swap in a single turbo and everything that goes with that. I've already talked about it with my dad, and we're going to have parts ordered and the car will be in the shop very soon. I'll probably sell it after it's tuned on the dyno and has a few pulls on the track, that way I can partially pay for my masters degree.
Keep your head up boss, throw away your copies of the fast and the furious and pick up a couple good books that will benefit you for your future FD. And please don't be such an ******* next time, you might get what you want. I definitely wasn't trying to pull a fast one on you, I know plenty of forum members that will vouch for my car, so I really don't need to worry about you. You were hoping to pull a fast one on us thinking that we were a few people that didn't know much about the car and just needed to get rid of it and it didn't work your way, I'm sorry, but don't be stubborn about it, and don't let it get to you. Good Luck dude!
-Kevin
After you left I put the DP, trust midpipe, and trust catback on to give it another shot, renewed my insurance, reset the fuzzy logicness, and took it out and bang, 12-10-12(considering open exhaust) just like I had assured you. I told you that you would have to put a full exhaust on it, and if you know anything about these cars you would have just agreed with me, which I know is hard because you don't know me that well. You claimed to have a deep knowledge of these cars, but have never driven one or worked on one, how does that work? It doesn't. Yes, you can learn a lot of stuff by reading about it on the internet, but to really know what you're doing takes a lot of time working with things. The boost leak that you're citing from a previous post was infact a leaky check valve that I had diagnosed and fixed within the next month.
Yes, the car was always garaged, but I bought it with 51000 miles, and now it has 68000 miles, do you think that I didn't drive my car dude? I'm allowed to do whatever I want, truth is, you are going to do the same thing. The car is fast, should I have kept it under 150 so that I could preserve it for someone else? Does 150 damage the car? Plenty of forum members have had their cars up in that velocity range.
Your problem is that you're a new enthusaist that will do anything for one of these cars and you want everything on a 10 year old car to be perfect. You're going to have to put some time into things if you want them to be your way. I knew you weren't going to buy the car when you were disappointed that it didn't shoot flames out of the stock exhaust, at least that was the question that you asked my mom. I do not like the way that you try to slander my car on the internet just because you're inexperienced and haven't a clue what to do. By the way, do a search for the word "moo" and see what comes up, 9 times out of 10 it will be about the airpump. I believe you're jumping into things that you aren't ready for. Who cares if you drove 6 hours to see it. I did that at least 10 times before I bought my FD. As a matter of fact, when I bought this one, I spent two days in an airport on standby, waiting for a flight to california. Then I had to drive it back across the country, which took 5 days.
You're friends on the other hand, seemed like very cool, knowledgable guys, and it was a pleasure meeting them. As a matter of fact, while you were out test driving the car, your friend had told me that you were living in a forum based fantasy world, and this was your first chance to experience the reality of an FD. He also told me other stories of you're careless mistakes with motorized vehicles.
Instead of negotiating like a good buyer would, you began to argue with us and get nasty. While you were out driving, I talked with my dad and we were going to drop the price and throw in the exhaust until you started to act like a true *******. We knew you were inexperienced, and we didn't want to sell the car to an inexperienced person. When we asked if you wanted it for a lower price, you said "it's too late, I already have a cashiers check for 17 grand." You looked like you were going to cry dude, c'mon. Well, when I bought the car, I got a cashiers check for 3 grand less than the amount that they wanted for it, and then 3 separate thousand dollar checks to see if I could talk them down, and it worked. Plus, the bill of sale would tell the story and you would be refunded for the remainder. You were just uncooperable, and to be honest, I'm glad that I didn't sell my car to you. I could tell you weren't serious when you said you didn't have much money to put into the car once you had it. This car isn't really a toy in the sense that you can just play with it and hang it up when you're done with it, IT IS A MONEY PIT, ASK ANY FORUM MEMBER!! It's no coincicence that you would get on the net and whine about it either, I would expect you to do that. Personally, after I turned down many sellers, I didn't do that.
Now that I think about it, I'm really glad that I didn't sell it to you, because I just started this new job and finally have enough money to do a large street port and swap in a single turbo and everything that goes with that. I've already talked about it with my dad, and we're going to have parts ordered and the car will be in the shop very soon. I'll probably sell it after it's tuned on the dyno and has a few pulls on the track, that way I can partially pay for my masters degree.
Keep your head up boss, throw away your copies of the fast and the furious and pick up a couple good books that will benefit you for your future FD. And please don't be such an ******* next time, you might get what you want. I definitely wasn't trying to pull a fast one on you, I know plenty of forum members that will vouch for my car, so I really don't need to worry about you. You were hoping to pull a fast one on us thinking that we were a few people that didn't know much about the car and just needed to get rid of it and it didn't work your way, I'm sorry, but don't be stubborn about it, and don't let it get to you. Good Luck dude!
-Kevin
08-20-04, 01:00 AM
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Sorry that my post offended you to the point where you had to indulge in personal attacks. I started a thread about purchasing a car, and thought it only logical that i explain, in my own personal view of course, what happened... you can dispute your he said/she said's all day, but here's the facts:
1. you kept insisting that the airpump was "fine" and "normal" while i was there, but your post here clearly states that you knew a long time ago it was dead/dying. there's no denying that.
2. while i was there, the car was running just slightly over 50% boost (5.6psi). you claim this is because of the stock exhaust that you had put back on MONTHS ago to pass inspection. youve driven the car since then with the stock exhaust, so you knew it was causing you to lose boost, and again did not inform me of this until i said that it was only boosting 5.6psi. THEN you decide to tell me the precat was clog, and blah blah...
EDIT: i just want to point out that i NEVER said the car was a POS because of these things. or that they couldnt have been easy fixes. My problem is that you were aware of both problems, and didnt mention them to me until i experienced them first hand. (the airpump noise, you told me about, but said it was "normal")
those are the ONLY 2 issues i had with the car. and forgive me for being a little pissed off when i get down there, to find out that not only does it have these 2 issues, but the owners KNEW and didnt tell me! believe me, i would never have driven down there to see a car i knew was running 5.6psi with an air pump that makes cow noises.
now onto a couple other things... you decide to attack me saying i dont have the funds to properly maintain this car, and ive never worked on/driven an fd before... funny you should say that kevin, because your parents bought this car for you when you went to college... and if im able to assume anything from your dad being the one to decide selling price, my assumption would be he still owns it! not only that, but all the mods were already on the car when you got it.. as far as i can tell, the only things youve done to it yourself are play with a valve, plug in a v-afc into a preexisting harness, and fix a doorhandle. your dad does the majority of the work on the car, as you verify by your past posts.
ah, i see you've cleaned some plugs too.. add that one to the list 
and as far as all these fast and furious comments, you can do the he said/she said stuff all day, but let me just quote you a couple more times, if i may
you jumped on my case about "fast and furious" because of some supposed flame-shooting comment i said to your mom, and here you are braggin about your furious flames!
again kevin, sorry if my post offended you, it wasnt meant as an attack. just a follow up on my progress with the car i thought i was buying. if you think anything i said was inaccurate, by all means correct me, but please, back it up. and leave the "pubescent" personal attacks at home!
Sorry that my post offended you to the point where you had to indulge in personal attacks. I started a thread about purchasing a car, and thought it only logical that i explain, in my own personal view of course, what happened... you can dispute your he said/she said's all day, but here's the facts:
1. you kept insisting that the airpump was "fine" and "normal" while i was there, but your post here clearly states that you knew a long time ago it was dead/dying. there's no denying that.
2. while i was there, the car was running just slightly over 50% boost (5.6psi). you claim this is because of the stock exhaust that you had put back on MONTHS ago to pass inspection. youve driven the car since then with the stock exhaust, so you knew it was causing you to lose boost, and again did not inform me of this until i said that it was only boosting 5.6psi. THEN you decide to tell me the precat was clog, and blah blah...
EDIT: i just want to point out that i NEVER said the car was a POS because of these things. or that they couldnt have been easy fixes. My problem is that you were aware of both problems, and didnt mention them to me until i experienced them first hand. (the airpump noise, you told me about, but said it was "normal")
those are the ONLY 2 issues i had with the car. and forgive me for being a little pissed off when i get down there, to find out that not only does it have these 2 issues, but the owners KNEW and didnt tell me! believe me, i would never have driven down there to see a car i knew was running 5.6psi with an air pump that makes cow noises.
now onto a couple other things... you decide to attack me saying i dont have the funds to properly maintain this car, and ive never worked on/driven an fd before... funny you should say that kevin, because your parents bought this car for you when you went to college... and if im able to assume anything from your dad being the one to decide selling price, my assumption would be he still owns it! not only that, but all the mods were already on the car when you got it.. as far as i can tell, the only things youve done to it yourself are play with a valve, plug in a v-afc into a preexisting harness, and fix a doorhandle. your dad does the majority of the work on the car, as you verify by your past posts.
Originally Posted by Die For MX
yes, we had to put the airpump on because emissions testing is coming up, also he had to take the alternator pulley off which means he had to take the alternator off...he just took the strut bar, and intercooler piping comletely off to make it easier..he just forgot to fully connect the intercooler pipe ...he left it open at the elbow
I did get the car started, but it will not stay on by itself, and it sounds terrible while its on. I'll have to clean the plugs and all that and see what happens, i'll keep you guys updated, thanks a million fo the help and suggestions
I did get the car started, but it will not stay on by itself, and it sounds terrible while its on. I'll have to clean the plugs and all that and see what happens, i'll keep you guys updated, thanks a million fo the help and suggestions
and as far as all these fast and furious comments, you can do the he said/she said stuff all day, but let me just quote you a couple more times, if i may
Originally Posted by Die For MX
Oh and between 3rd and 4th I shot a flame at those pubescent young children!
Originally Posted by Die For MX
I went to his house and watched Mischief 3000 for the first time, definately one of the best video's I've ever seen. Makes me want to enroll my FD in Gumball, im just worried about the reliability. I don't have money to drop on a new motor if mine pops after getting a new on this winter, or even the money to sign up
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Kevin doesn't need to correct you. I will.
I'll tell you right now you don't belong in a 3rd gen or on this forum after the **** I've heard from Kevin and what I've read here in this thread. I'm offended that I even have to say anything at all, but I find it necessary because Kevin has been working his *** off the past year to keep his name up on the dean's list in an intensive engineering program, denying him of the oh-so-great privilege of being a forum post ***** so everyone knows that he's incredibly intelligent.
I've known Kevin for a couple of years now. I roomed with him all last year and he was one of 3 FD owners in my house this past year. From living with him and meeting his family, I can tell you a few things you need to watch yourself on. Kevin's dad is a chief jet mechanic and a heroic war veteran. He has more knowledge and experience in his little toe than you can hope to gain in a lifetime. For you to act a damn fool in front of such a man is insulting to your own generation of so-called "enthusiasts" and its people like us who have to deal with that stereotype preceding us when we attend organized events. I don't appreciate it at all. Kevin himself is nothing but an honest person who I wouldn't doubt a single bit to be more knowledgeable than you in mechanics, physics, mathematics, and many other disciplines, including their applied uses that we as enthusiasts enjoy the benefit of. There has been many occasions when I'd find myself nearly annoyed with his pastimes of looking up informative websites and explaining certain theoretical principles and how they apply to cars and performance engineering. You wouldn't last 5 minutes trying to keep up with the calculations he makes for fun when he's wasting time before a lab.
Technical wise, you really just screwed yourself in posting the straight details about what you thought was so screwed up with Kevin's car. Let me enlighten you a little bit, and DO NOT attempt to talk back to me like you know something because I believe my signature contains a list of mods that made happen with my bare hands on a shitty retail job that I worked 35 hours a week during full time schooling. I pulled, rebuilt, and assembled every piece of that car and I know exactly what they are made of to the point where people would walk in the living room, pick up a bolt and I could name where it came from.
Your mistakes are as follows:
1. Air Pump Moo- the air pump is not broken or dying when it moos. That's the sound it makes from suction when it is not sucking out of the stock air box which prevents it from being heard. If its mooing on an open intake car, its working and it comes on at odd times that you probably won't be able to establish a normal pattern with during a first test drive.
2. Boost- it is oh so common for 10 year old turbo cars that have good hot exhaust gas running through their exhaust at all times to burn up and wear out the cats. The stock precat is just rediculous and the main cat can be just as bad if it crumbles. Kevin did not have those pieces when he bought the car and had to order them separately from another part supplier so that he could get the car to pass emissions. I am not surprised at all that they were going bad, but the main purpose for keeping them was to pass emissions for registration- which it did just fine very recently. The car's performance was not ever judged on those crapped out pieces as once their purpose was served, they were removed. Boost problems are considered problems when they're not coming from something simple like a clogged cat. They start getting annoying when you have to redo vacuum hoses and test solenoids and check valves. If the exhaust scenario is too much for you, good call in not taking the car. Since I have known Kevin, he has not changed the setup of the car and on his remapped ecu, the car ran great and pulled perfect boost response on a simplified sequential vacuum hose setup that was completed by the previos owner. When my car was stock, and lightly modded, Kevin used to whoop my *** any time I'd give him a look. When his car is not setup for passing emissions, it would spank the **** out of your boy's STi and deffinitely run under 13 seconds if you chose to take it to the track.
3. Insisting that Kevin was dishonest. For that, you're just a foul person and I'm extremely glad we aren't welcoming you to this forum as an FD owner. It was disgusting to see you look down at Kevin's efforts for prepping the car for sale. I'd love to have a fresh rebuilt tranny, new clutch and flywheel, and new check valves on a car with that mileage and in that condition. Those are luxuries that many of us would like to have on our own cars. I can't believe you didn't take the car on those recent services alone. You are guilty of fronting like you know more than you do, but it is far too evident that you don't have any experice with these cars. You reiterated your own ignorance with that stupid air pump complaint. I find it hilarious that you're so convinced that you know what you're talking about. For a minute at the beginning of the thread, you almost had some other forum members thinking it was ok for you to try to smear Kevin's name. I believe you get dismissed for that here.
BTW, Ramy, I don't think you ever got Kevin's forum name, but Die For MX is Kevin, my other roommate who you have met. His car was the one for sale in this thread.
I'll tell you right now you don't belong in a 3rd gen or on this forum after the **** I've heard from Kevin and what I've read here in this thread. I'm offended that I even have to say anything at all, but I find it necessary because Kevin has been working his *** off the past year to keep his name up on the dean's list in an intensive engineering program, denying him of the oh-so-great privilege of being a forum post ***** so everyone knows that he's incredibly intelligent.
I've known Kevin for a couple of years now. I roomed with him all last year and he was one of 3 FD owners in my house this past year. From living with him and meeting his family, I can tell you a few things you need to watch yourself on. Kevin's dad is a chief jet mechanic and a heroic war veteran. He has more knowledge and experience in his little toe than you can hope to gain in a lifetime. For you to act a damn fool in front of such a man is insulting to your own generation of so-called "enthusiasts" and its people like us who have to deal with that stereotype preceding us when we attend organized events. I don't appreciate it at all. Kevin himself is nothing but an honest person who I wouldn't doubt a single bit to be more knowledgeable than you in mechanics, physics, mathematics, and many other disciplines, including their applied uses that we as enthusiasts enjoy the benefit of. There has been many occasions when I'd find myself nearly annoyed with his pastimes of looking up informative websites and explaining certain theoretical principles and how they apply to cars and performance engineering. You wouldn't last 5 minutes trying to keep up with the calculations he makes for fun when he's wasting time before a lab.
Technical wise, you really just screwed yourself in posting the straight details about what you thought was so screwed up with Kevin's car. Let me enlighten you a little bit, and DO NOT attempt to talk back to me like you know something because I believe my signature contains a list of mods that made happen with my bare hands on a shitty retail job that I worked 35 hours a week during full time schooling. I pulled, rebuilt, and assembled every piece of that car and I know exactly what they are made of to the point where people would walk in the living room, pick up a bolt and I could name where it came from.
Your mistakes are as follows:
1. Air Pump Moo- the air pump is not broken or dying when it moos. That's the sound it makes from suction when it is not sucking out of the stock air box which prevents it from being heard. If its mooing on an open intake car, its working and it comes on at odd times that you probably won't be able to establish a normal pattern with during a first test drive.
2. Boost- it is oh so common for 10 year old turbo cars that have good hot exhaust gas running through their exhaust at all times to burn up and wear out the cats. The stock precat is just rediculous and the main cat can be just as bad if it crumbles. Kevin did not have those pieces when he bought the car and had to order them separately from another part supplier so that he could get the car to pass emissions. I am not surprised at all that they were going bad, but the main purpose for keeping them was to pass emissions for registration- which it did just fine very recently. The car's performance was not ever judged on those crapped out pieces as once their purpose was served, they were removed. Boost problems are considered problems when they're not coming from something simple like a clogged cat. They start getting annoying when you have to redo vacuum hoses and test solenoids and check valves. If the exhaust scenario is too much for you, good call in not taking the car. Since I have known Kevin, he has not changed the setup of the car and on his remapped ecu, the car ran great and pulled perfect boost response on a simplified sequential vacuum hose setup that was completed by the previos owner. When my car was stock, and lightly modded, Kevin used to whoop my *** any time I'd give him a look. When his car is not setup for passing emissions, it would spank the **** out of your boy's STi and deffinitely run under 13 seconds if you chose to take it to the track.
3. Insisting that Kevin was dishonest. For that, you're just a foul person and I'm extremely glad we aren't welcoming you to this forum as an FD owner. It was disgusting to see you look down at Kevin's efforts for prepping the car for sale. I'd love to have a fresh rebuilt tranny, new clutch and flywheel, and new check valves on a car with that mileage and in that condition. Those are luxuries that many of us would like to have on our own cars. I can't believe you didn't take the car on those recent services alone. You are guilty of fronting like you know more than you do, but it is far too evident that you don't have any experice with these cars. You reiterated your own ignorance with that stupid air pump complaint. I find it hilarious that you're so convinced that you know what you're talking about. For a minute at the beginning of the thread, you almost had some other forum members thinking it was ok for you to try to smear Kevin's name. I believe you get dismissed for that here.
BTW, Ramy, I don't think you ever got Kevin's forum name, but Die For MX is Kevin, my other roommate who you have met. His car was the one for sale in this thread.
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again, another post full of name calling, threats, judgements, etc... you guys keep on making a great name for yourselves
let me point out again to the deaf ear, i NEVER said that i had directly determined that the airpump was bad. i said that it was making an aweful noise, and when i got home i saw a post where kevin in fact said it DIED at the emissions facility.
and AGAIN, i NEVER said the exhaust WASNT clogged... i simply said that if kevin had been driving the car WITH the supposed clogged exhaust then he would have known the boost was severely effected, and should have been able to tell me that the second i mentioned to him in the car that it didnt feel strong, instead of waiting until i figured out how low it was boosting, and telling me its because its hot out, or im not winding it up enough. it should have been the first thing he said.
end. of. story.
let me point out again to the deaf ear, i NEVER said that i had directly determined that the airpump was bad. i said that it was making an aweful noise, and when i got home i saw a post where kevin in fact said it DIED at the emissions facility.
and AGAIN, i NEVER said the exhaust WASNT clogged... i simply said that if kevin had been driving the car WITH the supposed clogged exhaust then he would have known the boost was severely effected, and should have been able to tell me that the second i mentioned to him in the car that it didnt feel strong, instead of waiting until i figured out how low it was boosting, and telling me its because its hot out, or im not winding it up enough. it should have been the first thing he said.
end. of. story.
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Derek-
No offense but you just have no idea who you're dealing with here. Kevin alone knows more about FD's and cars in general then you can imagine. Let alone his friends that he surrounds himself with.
And you think we're making a bad name for ourselves? I personally invite you back to Delaware just to see the things we deal with car wise - what we have done, what we're currently doing, and what our future plans are. We accomplish and complete more then your brain even thinks of.
Do not mistake Kevin for a bad guy. He is one of the most honest guys I know, and would never try to "rip someone off."
And please do not act like you know more then you do. Just because your friend drives a new STi, it doesn't automatically make you an experienced car enthusiast. For example, your own friend talked down on you while you were test driving the car apparently...there's not much more I can say.
-Adam
No offense but you just have no idea who you're dealing with here. Kevin alone knows more about FD's and cars in general then you can imagine. Let alone his friends that he surrounds himself with.
And you think we're making a bad name for ourselves? I personally invite you back to Delaware just to see the things we deal with car wise - what we have done, what we're currently doing, and what our future plans are. We accomplish and complete more then your brain even thinks of.
Do not mistake Kevin for a bad guy. He is one of the most honest guys I know, and would never try to "rip someone off."
And please do not act like you know more then you do. Just because your friend drives a new STi, it doesn't automatically make you an experienced car enthusiast. For example, your own friend talked down on you while you were test driving the car apparently...there's not much more I can say.
-Adam
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Its guys like you who get us all upset when you come in and insult good people like Kevin and try to turn other forum members away from him. That's just a wrong move and you owe Kevin an appology for it if you expect to stay on this forum and have a little repect earned back for yourself.
OooooohhhK..... so you just made what you thought were correct assumptions so that if you found out you were wrong, you could say so. If it was a big deal, Kevin knows very well, he can come to one of his friends to get another one, but with the drive train work and everything else he put into it, his mind was set that you weren't getting the car. Normal sellers are not usually willing to make so much effort on their half to fix up a car the way they've done.
With the boost issue again, Kevin was keeping that car in good shape for you to come down and check it out, so he wasn't out beating the boost gauge needle around. You didn't feel that boost problem until you tried to get on it now did you? Might be a hint that he was babying the car to get it ready to sell and just never came by that boost issue the last few times he drove it because he didn't floor it. I don't blame him and no other decent minded buy should.
The only end to this story is that you invited others to prove you wrong. The day is over and you are NOT a new owner of a 3rd gen RX-7. And with the reasons for that, I'm glad you aren't.
OooooohhhK..... so you just made what you thought were correct assumptions so that if you found out you were wrong, you could say so. If it was a big deal, Kevin knows very well, he can come to one of his friends to get another one, but with the drive train work and everything else he put into it, his mind was set that you weren't getting the car. Normal sellers are not usually willing to make so much effort on their half to fix up a car the way they've done.
With the boost issue again, Kevin was keeping that car in good shape for you to come down and check it out, so he wasn't out beating the boost gauge needle around. You didn't feel that boost problem until you tried to get on it now did you? Might be a hint that he was babying the car to get it ready to sell and just never came by that boost issue the last few times he drove it because he didn't floor it. I don't blame him and no other decent minded buy should.
The only end to this story is that you invited others to prove you wrong. The day is over and you are NOT a new owner of a 3rd gen RX-7. And with the reasons for that, I'm glad you aren't.
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am i posting to myself here? when do i pretend to know more than i do? QUOTES PLEASE!
im basing my info on things KEVIN said to me and then things KEVIN posted. i have no doubt that kevin, the engineer major, is much smarter than me in mathmatics and all that jazz. and im not talking down on him as being a bad guy overall! but there is NO DENYING that he was keeping information from me about the car and its situation! this is not a "he's smarter than me" "i know more than him" war, dont you get that? he supposedly KNEW the exhaust was clogged and preventing boost, but gave me a handful of other reasons why the car wasnt performing well, until i said that it had low boost. only then did he say "oh, the cats are clogged". that doesnt make him smarter than me, or mean that i outsmarted him, so give that nonsense up! and i think people can decide for themselves based on that info if that was "honest" behavior!
im basing my info on things KEVIN said to me and then things KEVIN posted. i have no doubt that kevin, the engineer major, is much smarter than me in mathmatics and all that jazz. and im not talking down on him as being a bad guy overall! but there is NO DENYING that he was keeping information from me about the car and its situation! this is not a "he's smarter than me" "i know more than him" war, dont you get that? he supposedly KNEW the exhaust was clogged and preventing boost, but gave me a handful of other reasons why the car wasnt performing well, until i said that it had low boost. only then did he say "oh, the cats are clogged". that doesnt make him smarter than me, or mean that i outsmarted him, so give that nonsense up! and i think people can decide for themselves based on that info if that was "honest" behavior!
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You're digging yourself a hole here. I think its become too obvious that YOU are not getting the point. I know Kevin's car and what's done to it. I also read your posts. Putting that together plus what Kevin told me earlier tonight is enough to conclude on you. Kevin wouldn't hold information from you. I guess you don't understand how to diagnose the problems these cars have. As far as telling you the cats were clogged, there are several things that he could hypothesize about at to explain a boost leak if the car had one and it turned out that he was right about the cats being clogged since he tested that right after you left. Too bad you didn't stay around- you would have gotten the chance to drive a pretty fast car.
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Originally Posted by MakoDHardie
You're digging yourself a hole here. I think its become too obvious that YOU are not getting the point. I know Kevin's car and what's done to it. I also read your posts. Putting that together plus what Kevin told me earlier tonight is enough to conclude on you. Kevin wouldn't hold information from you. I guess you don't understand how to diagnose the problems these cars have. As far as telling you the cats were clogged, there are several things that he could hypothesize about at to explain a boost leak if the car had one and it turned out that he was right about the cats being clogged since he tested that right after you left. Too bad you didn't stay around- you would have gotten the chance to drive a pretty fast car.
Find a new 7 man. Peace.
