3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002) 1993-2002 Discussion including performance modifications and Technical Support Sections.
Sponsored by:

New Discovery with My R1

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-17-03, 11:42 AM
  #1  
HDP
A Fistfull of Dollars!

Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
HDP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: HuntsVEGAS, AL
Posts: 5,321
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
New Discovery with My R1

Well, I discovered yet another issue this past Sunday afternoon. I started the car while I had the hood up and the driver's door open. After it warmed to normal operating temp, I shut the hood and the RPM dropped way down (nearly stalled). I then got in the car and shut the door and it did it again. Could this be a grounding problem? I did a search on it and nothing was mentioned about a drop in RPM in situations like this. Can someone give me a little insite on grounds and the grounding locations?
Old 01-17-03, 01:22 PM
  #2  
5yr member, joined 2001

 
JONSKI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Marco Island, FL
Posts: 908
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Weird, it sounds almost like an oversensative knock sensor. I honesty don't know, though.
Old 01-17-03, 01:25 PM
  #3  
Senior Member

 
Engberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Boulder Colorado
Posts: 328
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
does sound like the knock sensor, try tapping on the block with a hammer (lightly) to see if it happens then too
Old 01-17-03, 02:45 PM
  #4  
FD title holder since 94

iTrader: (1)
 
Tim Benton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Cedartown, Ga
Posts: 4,170
Received 28 Likes on 21 Posts
Don,

That is one weird car...I've never heard of that either. So does it level back out after the door is shut?

Tim
Old 01-17-03, 02:49 PM
  #5  
HDP
A Fistfull of Dollars!

Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
HDP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: HuntsVEGAS, AL
Posts: 5,321
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally posted by Engberg
does sound like the knock sensor, try tapping on the block with a hammer (lightly) to see if it happens then too
Where on the block? I don't want to stick my hand in some place and get it burned.
Old 01-17-03, 02:54 PM
  #6  
HDP
A Fistfull of Dollars!

Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
HDP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: HuntsVEGAS, AL
Posts: 5,321
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally posted by Tim Benton
Don,

That is one weird car...I've never heard of that either. So does it level back out after the door is shut?

Tim
Yep. I can shut the doors, hood and hatch and the RPM will drop but then jump right back up to what it was(can't say normal cause it's still about 1200). Sometimes, it doesn't do it. I would say it does it about 80% of the time.
Old 01-17-03, 03:03 PM
  #7  
Senior Member

 
1stand3rd's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Freehold, NJ
Posts: 257
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Here's another weird one (albeit unrelated). Power your windows up or down while transitioning between the 1st and 2nd turbo. The window will hesitate right at the transition.
Old 01-17-03, 03:06 PM
  #8  
Glug Glug Glug Burp

 
jdhuegel1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Scott AFB, IL
Posts: 3,819
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally posted by 1stand3rd
Here's another weird one (albeit unrelated). Power your windows up or down while transitioning between the 1st and 2nd turbo. The window will hesitate right at the transition.
No thanks. I'll keep my hands on the wheel.
Old 01-17-03, 04:29 PM
  #9  
Senior Member

 
Engberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Boulder Colorado
Posts: 328
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think the sensor is in the front of the engine, but it should pick up at rap with a hammer from any place on the block. Find a convienient place that you can tap on it...it is set to pick up knock when not under boost so it should be semi sensitive at idle. Basically the sensor listens to the engine noices for a peak bang or knock and then retards timing so slaming doors and tapping on the block can trick it into thinking it's knock.
Old 01-17-03, 04:34 PM
  #10  
Full Member

 
striker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Edmonton, AB
Posts: 103
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally posted by 1stand3rd
Here's another weird one (albeit unrelated). Power your windows up or down while transitioning between the 1st and 2nd turbo. The window will hesitate right at the transition.
i believe this is due to the stock fuel pump going into a higher output mode.
Old 01-17-03, 04:41 PM
  #11  
Perpetual Rebuilder

 
shawnk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Seattle, Washington
Posts: 1,250
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I am at work and dont remember exactly but I thought I saw in the manual that the fuel pump switched from low to high around 2000 rpms (or something lower than I expected). I will look it up if someone else already hasnt verified this when I get home...

Shawn
www.3rdgenrx7.com
Old 01-17-03, 07:12 PM
  #12  
HDP
A Fistfull of Dollars!

Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
HDP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: HuntsVEGAS, AL
Posts: 5,321
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Ok, I just drove the car and tried to make it do it again, and it wouldn't! I think there are gremlins lurking about!!!
Old 01-17-03, 09:28 PM
  #13  
What's your point ?

 
CantGoStraight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Gainesville, Fla.
Posts: 3,573
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Couldn't have anything to do with the factory alarm system and load on the electrical circuict ?????? Just a guess as electrical loads play a part on idle.
Old 01-17-03, 09:39 PM
  #14  
canadian monster

iTrader: (2)
 
puma's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Trois-Rivières, Qc, Can
Posts: 2,083
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
tap on the engine loop. The loop on the UIM were you use the chain to lift the engine.

you will see if it is the knock sensor. there is a procedure to test it, i did it once, check the manual for it, i believe you need to check the voltage somewhere in the diagnosis box
Old 01-18-03, 01:53 AM
  #15  
Full Member

 
Air-Rex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: snohomish,Wa
Posts: 238
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yea gotta be the knock sensor.
Old 01-18-03, 03:03 AM
  #16  
Full Member

 
striker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Edmonton, AB
Posts: 103
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
wow, 2000rpm???? thats really damn low, why the hell would they design it like that?? why not just have it in high all the time?
Old 01-18-03, 03:10 AM
  #17  
Administrative Me

 
Red-Rx7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Kansas
Posts: 1,370
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally posted by striker
wow, 2000rpm???? thats really damn low, why the hell would they design it like that?? why not just have it in high all the time?
Many people do convert their fuel pump to run in "high" mode.

Mike
Old 01-18-03, 08:26 AM
  #18  
Oji San

 
Rated R1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Lexington, SC
Posts: 916
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Here is a pic of the knock sensor:

Old 01-18-03, 05:36 PM
  #19  
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
 
streetraceseven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: tampa
Posts: 277
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
knock sensor is way off base my car did the same bad grounds. loose grounds. mine were loose behind the Bumper. took me a while to find the prob but i cleaned the connectors and tightned them down now no problems.
Old 01-18-03, 05:38 PM
  #20  
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
 
streetraceseven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: tampa
Posts: 277
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally posted by striker
wow, 2000rpm???? thats really damn low, why the hell would they design it like that?? why not just have it in high all the time?

even the weldon race pumps have a manual high low swith on them... why dont we make our cars idle at 2000 rpm throttle response and boost will come in quicker..... the reason is longevity.
Old 01-19-03, 03:00 AM
  #21  
HDP
A Fistfull of Dollars!

Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
HDP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: HuntsVEGAS, AL
Posts: 5,321
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally posted by streetraceseven
knock sensor is way off base my car did the same bad grounds. loose grounds. mine were loose behind the Bumper. took me a while to find the prob but i cleaned the connectors and tightned them down now no problems.

Can you give me a little insite on all the grounding locations? Also, did you replace all of them or add any additional ones? Thanks.
Old 01-19-03, 11:59 AM
  #22  
FD title holder since 94

iTrader: (1)
 
Tim Benton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Cedartown, Ga
Posts: 4,170
Received 28 Likes on 21 Posts
Don, some are easy to see....one on the firewall to the Upper intake manifold (easy to get to on the passenger side of car)....add one from the negative terminal to the frame rail....underneath the car, hole where you change the sprak plugs, crud gets built up there from oil changes....various grounds attached to the exhaust piping....check the ECU ground is tight (its behind the passenger kick panel (right foot side).

Tim
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
HotWheel
2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992)
115
03-26-03 08:40 PM



Quick Reply: New Discovery with My R1



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:04 PM.