MR2 Turbo Vs. FD3S (Handling)
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MR2 Turbo Vs. FD3S (Handling)
I searched the board but couldn't find any opinions. Which car handles better? MR2 Turbo from 1990-1995 or the FD3s RX7? Is one really better or are they equal?
All I want is a nimble cornering machine. Power means little to me. If I want to go fast I have a motorcycle for that.
So which is the better handling car stock?
All I want is a nimble cornering machine. Power means little to me. If I want to go fast I have a motorcycle for that.
So which is the better handling car stock?
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Thew RX7 will definitely handle better. I had a 92 MR2-T and from what I remember it put down .94 on the skidpad but even the Touring FD put down .97 and the R1 .99 - you'll feel the difference if you drive both but the MR2-T will definitely hold it's own and handles extremely well - cheaper and more reliable too
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MR2s are bad ***, especially if you can find a hard-top 93. However, they aren't much of a real 'driver-friendly' car if you follow me. They're not very forgiving, before you can truly get a lot of out of them you need to hone your personaly driving skills. At least that's my experience with the ones I've driven and the people I know who own them. Amazing machines when you can drive them right.
FD is more of a driver friendly car as the feel is more conventional. It's a basic RWD front engine platform, it's been tested, and developed. Most people can get into it and drive it. As kwik said, the FD will definatly handle better no matter how you look at it. However, if you want a car that's challenging to drive an MR2 would be fun. The MR2 requires more driver input.
FD is more of a driver friendly car as the feel is more conventional. It's a basic RWD front engine platform, it's been tested, and developed. Most people can get into it and drive it. As kwik said, the FD will definatly handle better no matter how you look at it. However, if you want a car that's challenging to drive an MR2 would be fun. The MR2 requires more driver input.
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One's famous for handling (rx7), one's (in)famous for handling badly (mr2).
To be brutally honest, it's simply a fact that the average driver will struggle with a midmount rwd car like the mr2. Snap oversteer can be a bitch.
The mr2 T (particulary the later 90s models) is a great car though - not to be underestimated. That said, it's the rx7 and NSX that are the rwd champs when it comes to japanese circuit racing.
If you want pure sports car handling - the rx7 is close to unbeatable. If you want ultra fast cornering combined with ultra predictable handling - look at something 4wd (evo, wrx, etc).
To be brutally honest, it's simply a fact that the average driver will struggle with a midmount rwd car like the mr2. Snap oversteer can be a bitch.
The mr2 T (particulary the later 90s models) is a great car though - not to be underestimated. That said, it's the rx7 and NSX that are the rwd champs when it comes to japanese circuit racing.
If you want pure sports car handling - the rx7 is close to unbeatable. If you want ultra fast cornering combined with ultra predictable handling - look at something 4wd (evo, wrx, etc).
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Bad handling MR2? The MR2 is the easist car I have ever drove. You dont even have to correct when you drift that car it always wants to go straight.
If we are talking about like mountain driving at high speed, I would pick the FD, if we are talking about drifting I would have nothing but a MR2
If we are talking about like mountain driving at high speed, I would pick the FD, if we are talking about drifting I would have nothing but a MR2
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Mid-engine RWD cars are not for the inexperienced. As was previously said, snap-oversteer is a bitch, and those cars are not forgiving of those with heavy right feet. That being said, the 5k rpm "kick" the FD throws at you isn't something a novice driver will deal with easily either. Between it's power and ultra-lightweight rearend, I wouldn't put the FD in the "easy-to-drive" category either.
You've picked two of the more difficult cars to drive quickly (read: safely) around corners unless you really know what you're doing. At anything less than 9/10ths, both of the cars can be alot of fun to drive, but start getting toward the edge, and both will bite you if you're not careful. Good luck.
You've picked two of the more difficult cars to drive quickly (read: safely) around corners unless you really know what you're doing. At anything less than 9/10ths, both of the cars can be alot of fun to drive, but start getting toward the edge, and both will bite you if you're not careful. Good luck.
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Originally posted by vudoodoodoo
Who the hell drifts anyways?
Who the hell drifts anyways?
I also owned an mr2 and it was very very easy to throw around...honestly I felt more intuitive with the toyota than my fd...however my fd I trust...Id not take right hand turns at sixty in the toyota...but I would spin it around like a top....i love mid engine cars.
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Well if you are getting the MR-2 don't get the 92-91. They have a problem with been tail happy. in 93 they fix that problem. in the other hand both car weight about the same too. but the weight distribution on the MR2 sucks all the weight in on the rear motor, gas tank.
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Originally posted by hondasr4kids
Well if you are getting the MR-2 don't get the 92-91. They have a problem with been tail happy. in 93 they fix that problem. in the other hand both car weight about the same too. but the weight distribution on the MR2 sucks all the weight in on the rear motor, gas tank.
Well if you are getting the MR-2 don't get the 92-91. They have a problem with been tail happy. in 93 they fix that problem. in the other hand both car weight about the same too. but the weight distribution on the MR2 sucks all the weight in on the rear motor, gas tank.
The 91-92 when setup with 93 brakes and LSD will be capable of outperforming the 93 tho. The breaking point is less defined but the car is capable of a little more. Most the local hardcore auto-x'ers who run MR2s had 93 hardtops but have since switched to 91 or 92 hardtops and upgraded them with a few 93 parts.
In short, if you're a badass driver you'll get more out of a 91-92. If you're still learning to hone your skills get a 93, tho I wouldn't drive it aggressivly still without really geting to know what it will do.
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A relatively objective comparison of these two cars (and several others) can be found in the March 1992 issue of R&T:
http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/m...article02.html
(I like how the RX-7 has the fastest overall lap times)
http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/m...article02.html
(I like how the RX-7 has the fastest overall lap times)
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imo i think if u can master the mr2's mr setup it will handle better which is why ferraries,lambos,mclarens, etc have mr but the fd will be much easier to drive right away.
SpiritR mr2's arent good for drifting cuz they snap oversteer or sumthin
SpiritR mr2's arent good for drifting cuz they snap oversteer or sumthin
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I'm not worried about which car is easier to drive. I have plenty of skill and Auto-X experience. Tail happy cars are just plain fun. Only thing you have to remember is to leave enough room for the car sideways
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How many of us here have ever owned MR2s..?
I had a 91 and I thought it was easy as hell to control. I just think in the MR2 you dont have to correct steering around corners if it starts to spin, if I was ever in that situation I just let go of the wheel, which is VERY VERY hard for even experienced drivers to do. IF you do this in the FD and dont correct your steering, YOU WILL eat the wall.
I had a 91 and I thought it was easy as hell to control. I just think in the MR2 you dont have to correct steering around corners if it starts to spin, if I was ever in that situation I just let go of the wheel, which is VERY VERY hard for even experienced drivers to do. IF you do this in the FD and dont correct your steering, YOU WILL eat the wall.
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I've never owned an MR2 but they're quite the sought-after car around here and I'm good friends with many many MR2 owners. Needless to say I've driven them many times and I'm pretty well acquanted with them. They are by no means 'easy to drive'.
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My FD is my first front engine sports car. I had a Lancia Scorpion , Fiat X19,and a first gen MR2 . All were rear wheel mid engine design. Since the Lancia is the car I learned to drive with its always felt weird driving front engine cars. Yes the back end can snap out on you, and if have any decent driving skills you will hammer it down and straighten the car out . Any car pushed to its limits isnt easy to drive .And if it was easy , would it be boring ?
My FD gives me one thing all my other mid engine cars lacked ...HP and a lot of it .I think in a tight autocross my X19 would have a good shot at my FD , but add some straights and it would be game over very fast .
My FD gives me one thing all my other mid engine cars lacked ...HP and a lot of it .I think in a tight autocross my X19 would have a good shot at my FD , but add some straights and it would be game over very fast .
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Re: MR2 Turbo Vs. FD3S (Handling)
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All I want is a nimble cornering machine. Power means little to me. If I want to go fast I have a motorcycle for that.
All I want is a nimble cornering machine. Power means little to me. If I want to go fast I have a motorcycle for that.
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Maybe you should go post this in the kills thread for our little buddy 45 psi to take a gander at
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Originally posted by GoodfellaFD3S
Well, I guess that kinda takes care of this discussion .
Maybe you should go post this in the kills thread for our little buddy 45 psi to take a gander at
Well, I guess that kinda takes care of this discussion .
Maybe you should go post this in the kills thread for our little buddy 45 psi to take a gander at
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Originally posted by 3RotorRocket
With the MR2 Turbo if you wanted you could make it 650-700whp,it has some pulp but not as much
as the FD!
With the MR2 Turbo if you wanted you could make it 650-700whp,it has some pulp but not as much
as the FD!
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PHOENIX POWER---3SGTE-- Around 700hp
TOPSECRET----------3SGTE-- Around 650hp if I remember correctly
SCOOT----------------FDS3--700hp
No one else really brags about it, since IMHO HP matters but not that much. I still think an MR2 is a good car. I never said it was better then the FD. Its a good car though.
TOPSECRET----------3SGTE-- Around 650hp if I remember correctly
SCOOT----------------FDS3--700hp
No one else really brags about it, since IMHO HP matters but not that much. I still think an MR2 is a good car. I never said it was better then the FD. Its a good car though.