Mazda reman observations
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From: Sydney Australia
Dont think the bad manufacturing is relegated to Mazda Remans..
I purchased a brand new mazda crate engine, direct from Mazda. exactly 0 miles
On strip down by Rice Racing it had a few less obvious, but still worrying issues.
For example the side seals were well outside tolerances.
And the following is from another forum where my engine builder commented
"I spent a fair bit of time today on the oil pump location on the front end plate, the amount of casting *slag* on the housing was astounding this is the first time I had the opportunity of seeing it in a 0km engine from factory...... you could put your little finger into the casting and rub against the rough porting and solid black chunks about half mm in size could be dislodged ....... the foreign particles are the source of the circular scratches on the oil pump stators and other parts."
Fulll story here..
http://fdowners.com/showthread.php?t=207
All in all, it seems any engine you buy for a FD requires a rebuild by someone that actually knows what their doing..Dont trust remans OR new crate engines!!
I purchased a brand new mazda crate engine, direct from Mazda. exactly 0 miles
On strip down by Rice Racing it had a few less obvious, but still worrying issues.
For example the side seals were well outside tolerances.
And the following is from another forum where my engine builder commented
"I spent a fair bit of time today on the oil pump location on the front end plate, the amount of casting *slag* on the housing was astounding this is the first time I had the opportunity of seeing it in a 0km engine from factory...... you could put your little finger into the casting and rub against the rough porting and solid black chunks about half mm in size could be dislodged ....... the foreign particles are the source of the circular scratches on the oil pump stators and other parts."
Fulll story here..
http://fdowners.com/showthread.php?t=207
All in all, it seems any engine you buy for a FD requires a rebuild by someone that actually knows what their doing..Dont trust remans OR new crate engines!!
Call me gramps!
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,334
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From: Detroit, MI
Dont think the bad manufacturing is relegated to Mazda Remans..
I purchased a brand new mazda crate engine, direct from Mazda. exactly 0 miles
On strip down by Rice Racing it had a few less obvious, but still worrying issues.
For example the side seals were well outside tolerances.
And the following is from another forum where my engine builder commented
"I spent a fair bit of time today on the oil pump location on the front end plate, the amount of casting *slag* on the housing was astounding this is the first time I had the opportunity of seeing it in a 0km engine from factory...... you could put your little finger into the casting and rub against the rough porting and solid black chunks about half mm in size could be dislodged ....... the foreign particles are the source of the circular scratches on the oil pump stators and other parts."
Fulll story here..
http://fdowners.com/showthread.php?t=207
All in all, it seems any engine you buy for a FD requires a rebuild by someone that actually knows what their doing..Dont trust remans OR new crate engines!!
I purchased a brand new mazda crate engine, direct from Mazda. exactly 0 miles
On strip down by Rice Racing it had a few less obvious, but still worrying issues.
For example the side seals were well outside tolerances.
And the following is from another forum where my engine builder commented
"I spent a fair bit of time today on the oil pump location on the front end plate, the amount of casting *slag* on the housing was astounding this is the first time I had the opportunity of seeing it in a 0km engine from factory...... you could put your little finger into the casting and rub against the rough porting and solid black chunks about half mm in size could be dislodged ....... the foreign particles are the source of the circular scratches on the oil pump stators and other parts."
Fulll story here..
http://fdowners.com/showthread.php?t=207
All in all, it seems any engine you buy for a FD requires a rebuild by someone that actually knows what their doing..Dont trust remans OR new crate engines!!
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 11,576
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From: Morristown, TN (east of Knoxville)
Mazda has never been one to clean their castings up. A lot of new rotorhousings (and used) have rough castings on the edges...some would damn near cut you if you weren't careful.
From what I understand, there used to be reman facilities in CA and FL. And something about, the employees at the CA facility were disgruntled and started turning out poor work, so then mazda changed the contract to a company in the carolinas. I've never done a ton of research on it, though.
See my previous post about Williams Technologies. I send Rx8 cores back there on a regular bases.
is anyone finding poorly assembled remans reporting back to mazda so they can maybe get rid of whoever isn't doing their job with inspection / assembly? might be a good way to get a more consistent turn out of better quality engines in the future.
~Ramy
when will reman production stop?
Hey Ramy, on a related note, when do you think that Mazda will stop production of reman engines--or new engines or engine parts (or even body parts) for that matter? Do you have a feel for this or know how to get in touch with someone who would know? It's scary to think that at the rate people blow motors up... the rotary will be extinct before you know it. That will affect everyone who makes a living off of these cars--mechanics, vendors, drivers etc... scary to think, just plain sad too. 
Is the aftermarket going to rescue us?
Is the aftermarket going to rescue us?Or for them to be like "You know what? Screw it. We're not making these motors anymore, because they're more a hassle than they're worth." Mazda Japan has already discontinued SO MANY FD-related parts, it's not even funny. So I think that's a VERY slippery slope you'd be walking by going that route - one we may regret for a very LONG time.
~Ramy
~Ramy
Or for them to be like "You know what? Screw it. We're not making these motors anymore, because they're more a hassle than they're worth." Mazda Japan has already discontinued SO MANY FD-related parts, it's not even funny. So I think that's a VERY slippery slope you'd be walking by going that route - one we may regret for a very LONG time.
~Ramy
~Ramy
also, if u think about the alternative.. is it right for fd owners to continue getting bad remans, regardless of how rare/common the occurrence is.. something should be done about it. it may just become worse.
Hey Ramy, on a related note, when do you think that Mazda will stop production of reman engines--or new engines or engine parts (or even body parts) for that matter? Do you have a feel for this or know how to get in touch with someone who would know? It's scary to think that at the rate people blow motors up... the rotary will be extinct before you know it. That will affect everyone who makes a living off of these cars--mechanics, vendors, drivers etc... scary to think, just plain sad too. Is the aftermarket going to rescue us?
Is the aftermarket going to rescue us?think thats a bit of a stretch to assume that mazda would just stop making remans because of complaints on product quality. its been mentioned that mazda has switched engine builders in the past that weren't meeting standards, so correcting quality issues is something mazda has tried to remedy before
also, if u think about the alternative.. is it right for fd owners to continue getting bad remans, regardless of how rare/common the occurrence is.. something should be done about it. it may just become worse.
~Ramy
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