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Old 08-06-10, 03:06 PM
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I have owned RX7s for about 15 yrs, FC for 11 and FD for the last 4yr. I’ve had my shares of problems over the years, but most were common issue that comes with owning a rotary and an aging vehicle. RX7 are very fun and reliable car if taken care of and mod correctly.

I personally don’t race, drift or drag my FD, so my 300 or so ponies is more than enough to put a big grind on my face every time I get in for a drive. I don’t know why people keep trying to make instant power on a budget and then bitch about how rotary engines are not reliable. Unless you track or drag your car alot, why do you need 500rwhp on the street?! It’s easy to make huge HP with the FD, but to do it right it takes alot of money and care. Which are two things I notice alot FD owners with blown engines don’t take into account.
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Originally Posted by rotarymaz
I have owned RX7s for about 15 yrs, FC for 11 and FD for the last 4yr. I’ve had my shares of problems over the years, but most were common issue that comes with owning a rotary and an aging vehicle. RX7 are very fun and reliable car if taken care of and mod correctly.

I personally don’t race, drift or drag my FD, so my 300 or so ponies is more than enough to put a big grind on my face every time I get in for a drive. I don’t know why people keep trying to make instant power on a budget and then bitch about how rotary engines are not reliable. Unless you track or drag your car alot, why do you need 500rwhp on the street?! It’s easy to make huge HP with the FD, but to do it right it takes alot of money and care. Which are two things I notice alot FD owners with blown engines don’t take into account.
You're right.

You only need like 300-350rwhp to be competitive in an FD on the track but thats the thing. ALOT of people here with FD's DONT track their car. Theres a few handful that are your daily track go'ers but most people who own FD's drive them on the street.

And sorry to say but 300rwhp in a STREET driven FD is NOT enough.

In this modern day in age, there are too many fast cars out there. I call them factory freaks. And with the technology, can be made even faster with little money.

I mean im content with my power but its discouraging when you get that moment with an open stretch ahead of you and a vette pulls up next to you and you're not confident enough to just drop a gear and go because you know you'll get spanked lol

Sometimes i wish i had around 400rwhp. Then i know at least i can hang with the big boys thats on the street.
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But there is always going to be someone faster, is that really why you drive your car? I don't doubt 450 rwhp would be fun, but it's also very easy to get in over your head on increasingly crowded roads. I don't have much trouble smacking down just about everything I come in contact with and I'm < 400. Much above 400 and it's increasingly hard to hook up.
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ive been daily driving rotaries since i started driving, you're buying junk cars and dont know how to maintain your cars. ive never had a rotary fail blowout or die on me...
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Originally Posted by no_more_rice
But there is always going to be someone faster, is that really why you drive your car? I don't doubt 450 rwhp would be fun, but it's also very easy to get in over your head on increasingly crowded roads. I don't have much trouble smacking down just about everything I come in contact with and I'm < 400. Much above 400 and it's increasingly hard to hook up.
Obviously.

I drive my car to enjoy it. And since i dont track the car, the only enjoyment i get is driving it on the street, obviously.

Your enjoyment can only go so far when you're playing with the same hp level. My hp level is the same, from the time i took the FD home to now. I have done NOTHING to increase hp as i feel like i didnt need/have to.

Boredom will come into play with any car you drive. You make 400hp, and in a couple of months, you get bored and want 500, then 600. It never ends.

My friends vette makes 500rwhp and he was having orgasms first couple of months he got it. Now over a year later he claims its slow as hell and wants to either to s/c it or add spray.

I feel like at least with 400rwhp, its good enough for me, for a WHILE, while keeping it to a respectable level in terms of reliability and maintenance.
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At least you don't have to deal with the street racing laws that we have in Ontario...

A couple of years ago, after a string of nasty racing accidents on the 400 series highways, they put in a law that states if you're going 50km/h over the speed limit (about 30mph over) it's a 4-figure fine, automatic impound, and license suspension. And radar detectors are illegal. It's just not worth it around here to race on public roads, so I don't think i'd ever bother with shooting for 400+hp unless I wanted it for lapping.

A couple of hours away from me is Mosport, which is a pretty world-renowned road course, with the big GP track and also a driver-development track which is pretty entertaining. My motor club runs great autocross events, so generally speaking I am able to get the stupid out of me when i'm autocrossing or lapping so that I don't drive like an asshat on the street. As it is, with R-comps and about 300hp, and a mostly stock suspension, I'm able to hold off most things on the track... including an LS-swapped FD, and a C6 vette the last time i was out.

Anyway, sorry for the off-topic post. Back to your regularly scheduled thread!

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Originally Posted by squealy
At least you don't have to deal with the street racing laws that we have in Ontario...

A couple of years ago, after a string of nasty racing accidents on the 400 series highways, they put in a law that states if you're going 50km/h over the speed limit (about 30mph over) it's a 4-figure fine, automatic impound, and license suspension. And radar detectors are illegal. It's just not worth it around here to race on public roads, so I don't think i'd ever bother with shooting for 400+hp unless I wanted it for lapping.

A couple of hours away from me is Mosport, which is a pretty world-renowned road course, with the big GP track and also a driver-development track which is pretty entertaining. My motor club runs great autocross events, so generally speaking I am able to get the stupid out of me when i'm autocrossing or lapping so that I don't drive like an asshat on the street. As it is, with R-comps and about 300hp, and a mostly stock suspension, I'm able to hold off most things on the track... including an LS-swapped FD, and a C6 vette the last time i was out.

Anyway, sorry for the off-topic post. Back to your regularly scheduled thread!

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Yeah im glad NJ isnt as harsh as like cali or anything. I mean it really wouldnt affect me because i dont go to organized street races anyway and i dont even think they exist anymore in my area but i still do the occasional highway pulls. I have a V1 radar but nothing is certain when trying to never get caught while speeding.

Btw, how are you holding off an LS swapped FD??

The power alone will leave you behind since you're driving the same car. That driver must blow *****.

Not hating, but thats just an obvious reason.

Even a stock C6 will give a 300hp FD a run for its money.

Unless you're talking about rwhp.
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Originally Posted by squealy
if you're going 50km/h over the speed limit (about 30mph over) it's a 4-figure fine, automatic impound, and license suspension.
Screw that crap, speeding is my God given right, and the nanny state can sail off a cliff. Btw, Escort Redline ftw; I hit 145 this evening and the car was solid as a rock.

A couple of hours away from me is Mosport, which is a pretty world-renowned road course
It's without question one of the best tracks in North America, but the Canadian free-thaw cycles play havoc with the surface
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Originally Posted by 1QWIK7

Btw, how are you holding off an LS swapped FD??

Unless you're talking about rwhp.
This was on the Driver Development track, which is considerably tighter. Driver skill, suspension work, and tires make the biggest difference there. On the GP track, the C6 would probably have reeled me in on the straights.

Well, while the LS RX can dig out of the corners a little better, I carry a ton more speed through them. His one big complaint with his car is it tends to push more than mine, although i think that could be tweaked out with a bigger anti-roll bar, agressive alignment, and/or adjustments to his dampers. That, and he's running on Pilot sport's.. might be sport cup's. I'm lapping on toyo R888's. That alone is huge.

My car has a solid street tune, but i've never bothered to throw it on a dyno, because it hasn't been necessary. I would imagine that with my mods, i'm probably around the 300hp mark.

PFS intake / intercooler combo
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Mishimoto 2 1/2" 'race' core rad
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rotary extreme trailing arms & toe links
an agressive but streetable alignment
hawk hp+ pads

with the flow mods in place, i'm pushing 14-15 psi from the stock twins. I know it's less than ideal. I thought I could get away with not porting the wastegate when I did the rebuild because boost was stock-ish, but i guess that's because the engine wasn't healthy.

Meth injection is next on the docket, and some lowering springs until I can afford a nice set of coilovers. Then maybe i'll start saving for a set of BNR's or a modest single conversion.

~matt
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Originally Posted by squealy
Well, while the LS RX can dig out of the corners a little better, I carry a ton more speed through them.
This reality is often overlooked by the LSx swap crowd. The difference in weight isn't the issue, that's minor, the issue is the forward intertia of those 8 slugs flying around...harder to get it turned

Don't play around with boost creep, it's deadly.
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Originally Posted by no_more_rice
This reality is often overlooked by the LSx swap crowd. The difference in weight isn't the issue, that's minor, the issue is the forward intertia of those 8 slugs flying around...harder to get it turned

Don't play around with boost creep, it's deadly.
His biggest complaint with that car is that his max steering angle has decreased significantly, and the wheel feels numb in comparison to what it was before. I believe there was some slight relocation of some steering components when the swap was done, and that screwed things up significantly.

I don't have boost creep issues with my car. It's consistently between 14 and 15 psi in a 3rd or 4th gear pull. injectors are currently @ 80-83% at max, which is about as far as I want to push it. Like i say, the car's pretty much at it's safe limit right now until i'm ready to spend some more serious dough.
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How do you like the Hawk pads on the track?
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honestly, I love them. They dust like mad, but it's on my track wheels so i don't really care much. Initial bite is great, and they hold up to the heat really well. They're strong enough to lock up the wheels with R-comps lap after lap if I want, which is more than i can say for the EBC greenstuffs that I put in for street use last time i did the brakes.. not really happy with them.

It was suggested that I go with hawk blues by another lapping guy, but the HP+'s have been kind to the rotors, and have more than enough jam to haul the car down as fast as the tires will allow.

As far as the R888's go, they're fantastic. They've worn really well with numerous autocross events, and about 200 hard track miles. They're predictable, and they don't break the bank. They'll probably last me well into next season as well.
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Originally Posted by squealy
This was on the Driver Development track, which is considerably tighter. Driver skill, suspension work, and tires make the biggest difference there. On the GP track, the C6 would probably have reeled me in on the straights.

Well, while the LS RX can dig out of the corners a little better, I carry a ton more speed through them. His one big complaint with his car is it tends to push more than mine, although i think that could be tweaked out with a bigger anti-roll bar, agressive alignment, and/or adjustments to his dampers. That, and he's running on Pilot sport's.. might be sport cup's. I'm lapping on toyo R888's. That alone is huge.

My car has a solid street tune, but i've never bothered to throw it on a dyno, because it hasn't been necessary. I would imagine that with my mods, i'm probably around the 300hp mark.

PFS intake / intercooler combo
downpipe
PowerFC
Mishimoto 2 1/2" 'race' core rad
No-name custom cat back
fresh pillowballs
rotary extreme trailing arms & toe links
an agressive but streetable alignment
hawk hp+ pads

with the flow mods in place, i'm pushing 14-15 psi from the stock twins. I know it's less than ideal. I thought I could get away with not porting the wastegate when I did the rebuild because boost was stock-ish, but i guess that's because the engine wasn't healthy.

Meth injection is next on the docket, and some lowering springs until I can afford a nice set of coilovers. Then maybe i'll start saving for a set of BNR's or a modest single conversion.

~matt
Ah it makes sense now.

I never dyno'ed my car either but with the mods i have, i "should" be around 300hp as well but for some reason, it feels slow lol. I guess im used to the power since i never touched it since i got the car. I need to make a power upgrade and take this damn car to the track where it belongs.
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I think that if you have an FD as your daily driver or preferred ride, then you set yourself up for the occasional "heartache", simply due to the increased maintenance due to wear and tear, etc.
If you are fortunate enough to have multiple cars and only put a few thousand miles a year on your FD, your 'stories' are likely to be very positive, especially compared to some poor bastard with an FD as his only ride, with no place to work on it, and limited means to support it.

Damn....sounds sort of like most women.....
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Originally Posted by bajaman
I think that if you have an FD as your daily driver or preferred ride, then you set yourself up for the occasional "heartache", simply due to the increased maintenance due to wear and tear, etc.
If you are fortunate enough to have multiple cars and only put a few thousand miles a year on your FD, your 'stories' are likely to be very positive, especially compared to some poor bastard with an FD as his only ride, with no place to work on it, and limited means to support it.

Damn....sounds sort of like most women.....
Well put.

About 2.5 years ago, i decided to stop being a baby and take chances with my car.

When i first got it, i had some small hiccups which made me super paranoid about taking it places. Or taking it far places which resulted 800-900 miles a year lol. I would literally only go for short trips and take it to work which was only 2 miles away at the time.

I realized i have to start using it so i can enjoy it more. Which i do now. At this rate, i will average about 3500-4500 miles a year. Which is a huge jump from 800-900 miles a year lol

I take it mostly on the highway and take aimless drives. I live close to all major highways so its easy for me to just take a pick and just drive places. Usually each drive is no less than 40 miles and average of 80 miles per drive. Very easy to rack up miles now for me.

Fast forward to now, im starting to understand the meaning of daily driving an FD. Even though i dont daily drive it per say, im driving it more and im starting to experience the wear and tear.

Suspension is now squeaking like crazy, exhaust leak, front end knock which i dont know where the sound is coming from.

Its things that i would expect from an old sports car but its something i have to address now even though i probably wouldnt have if i wasnt using it so much compared to the past.
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Originally Posted by 1QWIK7
About 2.5 years ago, i decided to stop being a baby and take chances with my car.
....but you're still cruising on the highway and rarely getting into boost what was your peak boost pressure during your last joy ride? let it rip, blow the carbon off the rotors, it does a 13b good
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10psi.

I never had a major mechanical problem back then due to my driving habits.

I dont plan on changing my habits now.
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Originally Posted by Howard Coleman CPR
"there's zero problems with the oem fuel filter"

yup.

but since the filter is a maintainence item you still are left w the $4000 question which is: is it partially plugged.

sure your HIN gauge shows 43.5 psi static but what is your fuel pressure at 8000 and 15 psi boost... where it COUNTS.

'don't know do you.

a partially occluded filter is LETHAL.

spend $70 and get yourself a 100 psi digital pressure sensor.

remove the really neat but close to worthless little analog gauge screwed in to your FPR and screw in the pressure sensor. hook it up to your datalogit and log your fuel pressure... at 8000 rpm, at 15--20 psi boost. where you really need to know.


your data will be so accurate you can subtract your static pressure and you will have an extremely accurate boost reading.

just another essential item so you don't blow your motor. and think of all the money you will save because you won't be changing fuel filters w a calendar, rather when they need to be changed.

it never ends $$$

never

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Just ordered my sensor i'm going to do this.
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Originally Posted by squealy
This was on the Driver Development track, which is considerably tighter. Driver skill, suspension work, and tires make the biggest difference there. On the GP track, the C6 would probably have reeled me in on the straights.

Well, while the LS RX can dig out of the corners a little better, I carry a ton more speed through them. His one big complaint with his car is it tends to push more than mine, although i think that could be tweaked out with a bigger anti-roll bar, agressive alignment, and/or adjustments to his dampers. That, and he's running on Pilot sport's.. might be sport cup's. I'm lapping on toyo R888's. That alone is huge.

My car has a solid street tune, but i've never bothered to throw it on a dyno, because it hasn't been necessary. I would imagine that with my mods, i'm probably around the 300hp mark.

PFS intake / intercooler combo
downpipe
PowerFC
Mishimoto 2 1/2" 'race' core rad
No-name custom cat back
fresh pillowballs
rotary extreme trailing arms & toe links
an agressive but streetable alignment
hawk hp+ pads

with the flow mods in place, i'm pushing 14-15 psi from the stock twins. I know it's less than ideal. I thought I could get away with not porting the wastegate when I did the rebuild because boost was stock-ish, but i guess that's because the engine wasn't healthy.

Meth injection is next on the docket, and some lowering springs until I can afford a nice set of coilovers. Then maybe i'll start saving for a set of BNR's or a modest single conversion.

~matt
Sorry to go off topic but - I've got a similar setup (same mods)...are you getting boost creep and/or spike? If so, would porting the wastegate have helped ? I've read so much info- on the forum about this whether or not it will make a difference....every one is running different setups so I guess what works for one won't for another. I'm getting both creep and spike to around 13-14 psi on some WOT runs. Just wondering what your thoughts were on this?
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I have a little different experience. I have wanted an FD since before I could drive. In highschool I dreamt about this car, and since it was a Rotary (why the hell would you want a Wankel my father would say....) I couldn't get my parents to help me out. Thank god. I didn't deserve the car when I was 16. No offense to the younger FD drivers, but I DIDNT. I would have killed myself.

Fast forward to 2001. I have a great full time job, I have slightly modded my 95 T-bird SuperCoupe and I have the mod bug. I find this place and start lurking and reading. Then I meet this great girl... get married, have 3 kids... You know the story... FD back to the back burner.

Fast forward to 2008. Kids are all out of diapers. Youngest has special needs and is really taking a toll on my wife and I. We go on a great vacation and my wife tells me... The money you are saving... buy yourself a car. YOU DESERVE it. Score!!! Just the push I needed.
I find a great car on ebay near in memphis. Drive down get a high mileage FD with rebuilt turbos and average compression. Drive it home. Wife tells me she hasn't seen me this happy for this long for a long time. Three weeks later, a young kid, not paying attention tries to pull a left across traffic on a 4 lane divided HWY. The FD was so low he must have missed me. Suddenly he realizes there is a car coming at him with the right of way at 45mph. I lock em up he decides to go for it and WHAMMO... He totals my FD before I could even get my plates. 3 days later my plate (rotry x 7) show up and my wife hides em from me (LOL - she knew I was bumming). FD Dream crushed.

Luckily, it wasn't my fault and thanks to some great forum members with some great advice on specific language to use with my insurance company, I received Much more than I paid for the car and ended up buying my current beauty from WA with only 28K miles (original at the time). Since then I have learned much and will NEVER sell this car.

BTW, ARGX is right. Log and tune your self. Having a good baseline to start from is great, but there is no reason with the right tools we can't do it ourselves. Makes you appreciate your mods that much more!
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Originally Posted by bajaman
I think that if you have an FD as your daily driver or preferred ride, then you set yourself up for the occasional "heartache", simply due to the increased maintenance due to wear and tear, etc.
If you are fortunate enough to have multiple cars and only put a few thousand miles a year on your FD, your 'stories' are likely to be very positive, especially compared to some poor bastard with an FD as his only ride, with no place to work on it, and limited means to support it.
Pretty much. I have had my FD since 2004 and have only put 6k or so miles on it. I have pretty much no stories. The only problems I have had were there when I bought it (3k rpm hesitation, leaky y-pipe coupler, flaky ignition switch, and clunky pillowballs) and they were solved a long time ago. It has been one of the most reliable cars I have owned. Now, if I were putting 10k miles per year on it during that time I would likely have lots of stories.
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I could never hate an FD. I love my car, always have always will. Sure, I've had my share of blown motors and headaches, but I truly believe that the motors are solid if you take care of them and know its limits. It's really that simple. Nothing mechanical breaks for no apparent reason, most of the time, it's poor build quality, crappy parts, f'd up support equipment (injectors, fuel pump, etc.), bad tuning, or a negligent owner... sometimes all of the above.

I've been making around 280-300 whp dynojet for about the last 3 years on stock non-sequential turbos, have put almost 25k miles on it. Tuned it myself on dyno and street. 2mm atkins seals, new water/oil seals, pretty much used everything else. I have 9 drag passes to the car's credit, little bit of autocrossing, and two open track days under pretty demanding conditions. A whole lot of street driving without letting up on the car, it's been very solid, aside from some ignition crap and IC couplers blowing off.
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Pretty much. I have had my FD since 2004 and have only put 6k or so miles on it. It has been one of the most reliable cars I have owned.


Anyone else see the irony of this statement? Wow, 6k miles, right up there with a Civic.
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It is only ironic if you ignore the post it was replying to and final sentence that you neglected to quote, i.e., if you lack basic English comprehension skills.


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