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Just got asked a question I don't know the answer to
07-16-10, 12:01 PM
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Just got asked a question I don't know the answer to
So I finally get a chance to sit down today, and a customer asks me if it is possible to use the key fob keyless ignition on a FD. Now I'm thinking it would be possible to do if you had a key fob and the accompanying computer, but has anyone thought of this before??? and if not is there a market for something like this.?
07-16-10, 01:18 PM
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you mean like a push-to-start button on an s2000 or a remote start button on an car-alarm style key fob?
it's all about the wiring, there's a write up for the push button s2000 start and any good car alarm shop can install the remote start. A buddy of mine has it on his automatic FD. You would just have to bypass the switch that you need to have pushed in to start a manual FD for it to work there.
it's all about the wiring, there's a write up for the push button s2000 start and any good car alarm shop can install the remote start. A buddy of mine has it on his automatic FD. You would just have to bypass the switch that you need to have pushed in to start a manual FD for it to work there.
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07-16-10, 03:26 PM
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What is the point if you have to be sitting in the car to push in the clutch? I can imagine wanting to start the car from a distance to get the A/C or heater going. At the same time I would never let my FD just sit and idle without me in it watching the gauges.
07-16-10, 04:27 PM
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Not sure if this is what the OP is trying to get at, but this is my idea:
Basically a proximity activated alarm system, like what the new RX-8's, Mazdaspeed cars, Lexus', Mercedes' have, etc. You carry a "smartkey" in your pocket, walk up to your FD, the doors automatically unlock. When you walk away, the automatically lock.
Then, once you get in the car, you would still have to push the clutch in (unless you bypass it, I guess), then push a button to start the engine. That way you need no key, makes it a little quickly, but is mainly just cool and convenient.
Basically a proximity activated alarm system, like what the new RX-8's, Mazdaspeed cars, Lexus', Mercedes' have, etc. You carry a "smartkey" in your pocket, walk up to your FD, the doors automatically unlock. When you walk away, the automatically lock.
Then, once you get in the car, you would still have to push the clutch in (unless you bypass it, I guess), then push a button to start the engine. That way you need no key, makes it a little quickly, but is mainly just cool and convenient.
07-16-10, 04:45 PM
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Unless you have a remote start system that is designed for a manual vehicle... or a transmission that has a way to tell the system brain that it is in gear or not, it is not a good idea. Systems that are not designed with the "exit sequence" built in do not prevent you from accidentally starter walking your fd into another vehicle/parking lot/etc. As a certified installer, I have seen some pretty bad things happen on incorrect installs.
Explanation of terms:
Exit sequence:
This is for a manual vehicle whose transmission does not have a sensor or wire that goes to ground if the tranny is in gear. When you park your vehicle, before you turn the engine off, you push a button on the remote. Then you turn the keys off and take them out. The engine will remain running. You then exit the vehicle and close the door. Engine is still running. Then you lock the vehicle. At this point the engine will stop running, as it now knows that you are out of the car and the car is not in gear. However, if at any time you unlock your doors and re-lock them wihout going through the sequence, the car will not remote start, just in case the vehicle was put into gear when it was unlocked.
Transmission with sensor:
The MS6 has a wire that goes to ground whenever the transmission is in any gear. you can use this like a clutch switch, or you can you use this as a wire to tap off of for the remote start brain. I do not believe the FD transmission has a wire like this. I could be wrong though as I have not taken a multimeter to all the wires on mine.
Explanation of terms:
Exit sequence:
This is for a manual vehicle whose transmission does not have a sensor or wire that goes to ground if the tranny is in gear. When you park your vehicle, before you turn the engine off, you push a button on the remote. Then you turn the keys off and take them out. The engine will remain running. You then exit the vehicle and close the door. Engine is still running. Then you lock the vehicle. At this point the engine will stop running, as it now knows that you are out of the car and the car is not in gear. However, if at any time you unlock your doors and re-lock them wihout going through the sequence, the car will not remote start, just in case the vehicle was put into gear when it was unlocked.
Transmission with sensor:
The MS6 has a wire that goes to ground whenever the transmission is in any gear. you can use this like a clutch switch, or you can you use this as a wire to tap off of for the remote start brain. I do not believe the FD transmission has a wire like this. I could be wrong though as I have not taken a multimeter to all the wires on mine.
07-16-10, 05:08 PM
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Not sure if this is what the OP is trying to get at, but this is my idea:
Basically a proximity activated alarm system, like what the new RX-8's, Mazdaspeed cars, Lexus', Mercedes' have, etc. You carry a "smartkey" in your pocket, walk up to your FD, the doors automatically unlock. When you walk away, the automatically lock.
Then, once you get in the car, you would still have to push the clutch in (unless you bypass it, I guess), then push a button to start the engine. That way you need no key, makes it a little quickly, but is mainly just cool and convenient.
Basically a proximity activated alarm system, like what the new RX-8's, Mazdaspeed cars, Lexus', Mercedes' have, etc. You carry a "smartkey" in your pocket, walk up to your FD, the doors automatically unlock. When you walk away, the automatically lock.
Then, once you get in the car, you would still have to push the clutch in (unless you bypass it, I guess), then push a button to start the engine. That way you need no key, makes it a little quickly, but is mainly just cool and convenient.
07-16-10, 06:35 PM
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^^I am with you and know what you are talking about. I have been thinking about this a lot lately but do not have the drive/motivation to try and figure out the wiring. Plus I would expect the key fob to be more expensive than I really want to pay on a "luxury" item. Ideally I would like to use a Mazda fob for more of the oem feel/presentation.
A lot of new vehicles are going to this format. Nissan does it in the Altimas, maximas, and maybe the new 370, plus all the other car makers listed above and many more.
It is not designed to start the car and walk away, it is meant to eliminate the need for a traditional style key. There is no key to insert into a hole (except for in emergency backup situations like with a dead battery). With the key fob in your pocket you would push the clutch as usual, retaining the factory clutch in to start safety feature, then simply push the start button. No inserting a key and turning... Ignition sees the key fob in your pocket. Proximity senses the key fob in your pocket and will unlock the doors...
Really it is a pretty nice/cool/convenient feature.
A lot of new vehicles are going to this format. Nissan does it in the Altimas, maximas, and maybe the new 370, plus all the other car makers listed above and many more.
It is not designed to start the car and walk away, it is meant to eliminate the need for a traditional style key. There is no key to insert into a hole (except for in emergency backup situations like with a dead battery). With the key fob in your pocket you would push the clutch as usual, retaining the factory clutch in to start safety feature, then simply push the start button. No inserting a key and turning... Ignition sees the key fob in your pocket. Proximity senses the key fob in your pocket and will unlock the doors...
Really it is a pretty nice/cool/convenient feature.
07-16-10, 06:41 PM
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It can def be done.
This guy from the supraforums did it to his supra. They might have more forgiving wiring than us though lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n6F-...eature=related
This guy from the supraforums did it to his supra. They might have more forgiving wiring than us though lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n6F-...eature=related
07-16-10, 09:03 PM
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^That is pretty cool!
A little more research revealed they are called "RFID" alarm systems. There are a few aftermarket systems, but most are either 1) Very expensive, or 2) Cheap Chinese knock-offs.
When I had my GSX-R, I had a Scorpio alarm on it and was fantastic. Turns out Scorpio makes a paging 2-way RFID alarm:
http://www.scorpioalarms.com/product...cycle/sr-i900/
Simply walk up, unlocks/disarms, walk away and it locks/arms the system. But since it is for a motorcycle, it would take some more cleaver wiring, but could be adapted for a car.
I really like how the guy had it wired up in that Supra. I would love to have something like that! I wish I knew more about electronics and was brave enough to attempt something as ambitious as that.
A little more research revealed they are called "RFID" alarm systems. There are a few aftermarket systems, but most are either 1) Very expensive, or 2) Cheap Chinese knock-offs.
When I had my GSX-R, I had a Scorpio alarm on it and was fantastic. Turns out Scorpio makes a paging 2-way RFID alarm:
http://www.scorpioalarms.com/product...cycle/sr-i900/
Simply walk up, unlocks/disarms, walk away and it locks/arms the system. But since it is for a motorcycle, it would take some more cleaver wiring, but could be adapted for a car.
I really like how the guy had it wired up in that Supra. I would love to have something like that! I wish I knew more about electronics and was brave enough to attempt something as ambitious as that.
07-17-10, 06:58 AM
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^That is pretty cool!
A little more research revealed they are called "RFID" alarm systems. There are a few aftermarket systems, but most are either 1) Very expensive, or 2) Cheap Chinese knock-offs.
When I had my GSX-R, I had a Scorpio alarm on it and was fantastic. Turns out Scorpio makes a paging 2-way RFID alarm:
http://www.scorpioalarms.com/product...cycle/sr-i900/
Simply walk up, unlocks/disarms, walk away and it locks/arms the system. But since it is for a motorcycle, it would take some more cleaver wiring, but could be adapted for a car.
I really like how the guy had it wired up in that Supra. I would love to have something like that! I wish I knew more about electronics and was brave enough to attempt something as ambitious as that.
A little more research revealed they are called "RFID" alarm systems. There are a few aftermarket systems, but most are either 1) Very expensive, or 2) Cheap Chinese knock-offs.
When I had my GSX-R, I had a Scorpio alarm on it and was fantastic. Turns out Scorpio makes a paging 2-way RFID alarm:
http://www.scorpioalarms.com/product...cycle/sr-i900/
Simply walk up, unlocks/disarms, walk away and it locks/arms the system. But since it is for a motorcycle, it would take some more cleaver wiring, but could be adapted for a car.
I really like how the guy had it wired up in that Supra. I would love to have something like that! I wish I knew more about electronics and was brave enough to attempt something as ambitious as that.
Its basically the same concept as lexus and other high end cars.
I know when i had a loaner lexus IS250, it was the SAME exact setup as the supra. Maybe the wiring will be the same to make it work, idk.
But it was exactly how it was in the video. Although, it does get boring after a while. Not boring but the cool factor goes away after like a week or 2. Then it just becomes a "turn key" phase.
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