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Old Oct 11, 2002 | 01:13 PM
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hahaha. all you did was ask for a little help and add alittle bit of what the situation was. all you wanted was help with lowering you boost, help...well just help in general. haha i think this is funny. everyones knockin on you because you throw them what you do "know" (i use know loosely because everyone knows things, but it doesnt mean its right) so far. this is why i limit my posting. mean forum, thats why i usually just stick to my ne section peeps. people dont just tell your wrong and correct you then help you. they "TELL" you your wrong and put you down for not knowing as much as them. haha.
anyways what i do know is there is someone doing 16lbs on stockers. supposedly hes been doing it for a little while without problems. now before everyone gets in a putdown frenzy, hes got fuel upgrades and tunes regularly with a wideband 02. also he doesnt seem to mind if he blows or breaks things too much because he fixes rx7s for a living and so he has thing avalible in the garage. so for those regurgitating things they heard from someone else regurgitating about how you can not go over 14lbs its impposible... its possible and reliable if done right. nothing wrong with regurgitation thats how we learn but dont think its the absolute truth. ive even heard of really bad boost spikes going above 18lbs now its possible just dont think it helps much because there is a limit for what the turbos can do. now everythings not positive, but i thought maybe id share.

anyways someone just help a brother out. good luck man.
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Old Oct 11, 2002 | 05:03 PM
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thank god someone else saw how cridical this guys are. and they question my knowledge. Well I can say that I don't knwo much about the 3rd gen as far as what the ECU and wastegate can handle. I laso have 2 FC's and posting in the FC forum is much more plesent, never have anyone cut you down just for telling them some info and asking for some help. I used to think that rx7 guys are some of the nicest people.

yeah I could have turned down the fuel but I wanted to get the boost down first, and I do have a boost controler that did work but since I put the exhaust on it stoped working. This makes my wounder if it was hooked up right. It appears so.

As far as my knowledge I rebiuld rotary engines for myself and friends I also dyno tune alot of cars.

If I would have saw it go lean say from maxing out the injectors I would have upgraded them sooner but the thing was I only had the emanage up 10% above the stock map.

well as soon as I get the boost down I will re dyno it and hopefully by then I will have new injectors.

I hope some of you can be more respectful to people asking for help. I have never got down on someone just because they are not as knowledgable in a area. We are all here to learn right? cool

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Old Oct 11, 2002 | 05:37 PM
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yeah people here were a little harsh on you, and i feel that being a post ***** has nothing to do with your knoweledge on the forum.....people here are way too big for their britches, good luck with your car amemiya
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Old Oct 11, 2002 | 05:43 PM
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FAsT aNd FurIOuS mAn!!!! NAWWWWZZZZ
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Old Oct 11, 2002 | 05:46 PM
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https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=122636

Port the wastegate or add restrictors to the exhaust.
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Old Oct 11, 2002 | 07:51 PM
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I run 10.7 a/f and have no problem taking the revs to 8000. It's not just richness that prevented you from revving past 5500. You either have an ignition problem or you're hitting fuel cut as boost goes too high. Fix or replace your boost controller, and dial boost down. If you still can't get past 5500, you should probably check ignition.
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Old Oct 11, 2002 | 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by waltk88
I run 10.7 a/f and have no problem taking the revs to 8000. It's not just richness that prevented you from revving past 5500. You either have an ignition problem or you're hitting fuel cut as boost goes too high. Fix or replace your boost controller, and dial boost down. If you still can't get past 5500, you should probably check ignition.
Actually, it's pretty obvious he's hitting fuel cut since he's on the stock ECU:

Originally posted by neevosh
This is what the fuel cut #'s are.

RPM ABS. CUT OFF(PSI) SEA LEVEL CUT OFF(PSI)

1000 26.5 11.8
1500 26.5 11.8
2000 26.5 11.8
2500 26.5 11.8
3000 26.9 12.2
3500 27.1 12.4
4000 27.5 12.8
4500 28.0 13.3
5000 26.9 12.2
5500 26.0 11.3
6000 25.8 11.1
6500 25.4 10.7
7000 25.4 10.7

Mazda took into account that there may be boost spikes at transition and raised the cut-off pressure. Also, boost has to be sustained above the cut-off pressure for a certain period of time before the fuel cut takes place.
I doubt the GReddy E-Manage overrides the ECU as a fuel cut defenser as well. I place my money on him overrunning the stock wastegate. He's running an open exhaust, so he's probably going to need to either port the wastegate or add some restriction to the exhaust to properly control his boost levels.
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Old Oct 22, 2002 | 03:56 PM
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the e manage has a fuel cut deffender that says it will work on the FD but not the FC. Any how I have low compression on the front rotor so I am going to pull it apart tomarrow and ship the parts out and get the motor balance and by then I should have a stand alone. Well lets see what happens this time around.
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Old Oct 22, 2002 | 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by amemiya
the e manage has a fuel cut deffender that says it will work on the FD but not the FC. Any how I have low compression on the front rotor so I am going to pull it apart tomarrow and ship the parts out and get the motor balance and by then I should have a stand alone. Well lets see what happens this time around.
Yep, you probably ran too lean. If you want to play with adjusting the fuel, you should go with the stand-alone ECU's. When it your engine, don't go cheap and try to make it work.

Good luck!
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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 05:26 PM
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I think it carbon siezed a front apex seal cuz I have been running 10.5/1 A/F. the rotor looks real carboned.
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Old Oct 24, 2002 | 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by amemiya
I think it carbon siezed a front apex seal cuz I have been running 10.5/1 A/F. the rotor looks real carboned.
Well, you peaked more than that on the dyno sheet as rynberg pointed out:

Originally posted by rynberg
Has no one noticed that his A/F ratio GOES TO 17.5 AT 5500 rpm!!!!!!
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Old Oct 24, 2002 | 11:34 AM
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as far as the boost controller post, in my opinion they are the basic mods for a turbo car right after the intake and exhaust... The EVC series has always worked best for me but the Profec is a nice piece too...with all my EVC's I've made certain to re-learn the controller to the boost curve after every power mod. This could have been your problem with the unit not working after installing an exhaust bc the exhaust frees up so much boost...re-set the learn mode again and see how she runs.
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Old Oct 24, 2002 | 02:20 PM
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Oh, Not that this really matters, but I was told that that little HP spike at the end of a dyno run is a "bug" in the Dynojet system - something about the drum momentarily spinning faster after the clutch lets go or some such. If you look at a lot of charts out there you will see it. It usually doesn't figure into max because the end of the run is on the downward slope.
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Old Oct 24, 2002 | 04:30 PM
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ech, here's my dyno plots from ATP -- the exact same dyno and I don't have that characteristic at all. Neither have ANY of the other FD dyno results I've seen from ATP.

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Old Oct 24, 2002 | 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by rynberg
Has no one noticed that his A/F ratio GOES TO 17.5 AT 5500 rpm!!!!!!

Running a 10.7:1 is leaner than the stock car, so that isn't what is keeping you from going past 5500 rpm. You are hitting some fuel drop-out either from your injectors maxing out or your fuel filter is clogged or some other reason. How does that E-Manage work with the stock ecu?

You need to figure things out before you run the car hard again.

BTW: just is case it hasn't been mentioned enough times yet -- REDUCE YOUR BOOST! You are running the stockers at 16-18 psi with the stock intercooler? That is insane. They will burn out in a month and your intake temps must be blazing hot.
Ladies and gentleman, this man knows his ****
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Old Oct 24, 2002 | 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by rynberg
ech, here's my dyno plots from ATP -- the exact same dyno and I don't have that characteristic at all. Neither have ANY of the other FD dyno results I've seen from ATP.


it is non sequenstial
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