just dyno'ed
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just dyno'ed
Hey all, I haven't posted much of my activities but here is the general idea:
Mods:
Pineapple "emissions" port
PFC/commander
1300 Secondaries
M2 DP, Apexi N1 dual exhaust, N-Tech High Flow Cat
Greddy 2 row FMIC
Greddy AirInx air filters
Rotary Extreme Power Pulley
Mazdaspeed lightweight chromoly flywheel
Pineapple upgraded clutch
Corksport install and Groundzero tuning with Ralph
stock items:
turbos @ 142,000, blow off valves.
Well I was hoping to make at least 300 rwhp with the above mods @ 12psi but only am getting 263 on a mustang dyno. Is this about right? We tried bumping the boost to 14 psi, but did not make much of a difference...actually:
the boost in the pfc is set for 1.00 but only giving 12 psi on the 2ndary...boost pattern is like 10-8-12.
Perhaps the turbos are 'going?' is there anything plausible to do before going single?
Thanks!
Edgardo
Mods:
Pineapple "emissions" port
PFC/commander
1300 Secondaries
M2 DP, Apexi N1 dual exhaust, N-Tech High Flow Cat
Greddy 2 row FMIC
Greddy AirInx air filters
Rotary Extreme Power Pulley
Mazdaspeed lightweight chromoly flywheel
Pineapple upgraded clutch
Corksport install and Groundzero tuning with Ralph
stock items:
turbos @ 142,000, blow off valves.
Well I was hoping to make at least 300 rwhp with the above mods @ 12psi but only am getting 263 on a mustang dyno. Is this about right? We tried bumping the boost to 14 psi, but did not make much of a difference...actually:
the boost in the pfc is set for 1.00 but only giving 12 psi on the 2ndary...boost pattern is like 10-8-12.
Perhaps the turbos are 'going?' is there anything plausible to do before going single?
Thanks!
Edgardo
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You guys are not reading the MUSTANG DYNO part of his post....263 on a Mustang dyno = ~290-300 hp on a dynojet.
Still, that is a bit low, considering the streetport. You are obviously not tuned very well above 12 psi, or you would be making much more power. The duty cycles on the PFC boost settings need to be adjusted for you to hit your target boost.
Your numbers could very well be just due to conservative tuning with the PFC. If it's a small streetport, your numbers aren't that bad, although I would expect to hit 300+ rwhp on the Mustang Dyno with a streetport at an actual 14 psi.
Still, that is a bit low, considering the streetport. You are obviously not tuned very well above 12 psi, or you would be making much more power. The duty cycles on the PFC boost settings need to be adjusted for you to hit your target boost.
Your numbers could very well be just due to conservative tuning with the PFC. If it's a small streetport, your numbers aren't that bad, although I would expect to hit 300+ rwhp on the Mustang Dyno with a streetport at an actual 14 psi.
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From what I hear Mustang dyno's read AROUND 15% lower than a Dynojet so your numbers would come out to around 310rwhp. @ 12psi 310 is about right, especially since you have a hf cat instead of a mp
As for your boost I'd check for some small boost leaks, especially around the IC inlet/outlet.
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As for your boost I'd check for some small boost leaks, especially around the IC inlet/outlet.
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The IC really doesnt help that much on a dyno so your numbers and his numbers being close should mean he's about right.
You cant compare dyno charts that close, they are never going to be so exact that you can compare without factoring in some margin for different dynos, conditions, ect ect ect. Especially since we are just marking up his numbers with a magic rule of thumb.
I think his numbers are probably about right.
Hell, I've got vast differences in hp readings with the same exact car just going from one dyno the the other....and they were all the same make and model dyno's lol. There is a not so well known secret about dyno's (especially dynojets), its called wheel losses correction factors.
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You cant compare dyno charts that close, they are never going to be so exact that you can compare without factoring in some margin for different dynos, conditions, ect ect ect. Especially since we are just marking up his numbers with a magic rule of thumb.
I think his numbers are probably about right.
Hell, I've got vast differences in hp readings with the same exact car just going from one dyno the the other....and they were all the same make and model dyno's lol. There is a not so well known secret about dyno's (especially dynojets), its called wheel losses correction factors.
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Re: just dyno'ed
Originally posted by grinn253
Hey all, I haven't posted much of my activities but here is the general idea:
Mods:
Pineapple "emissions" port
PFC/commander
1300 Secondaries
M2 DP, Apexi N1 dual exhaust, N-Tech High Flow Cat
Greddy 2 row FMIC
Greddy AirInx air filters
Rotary Extreme Power Pulley
Mazdaspeed lightweight chromoly flywheel
Pineapple upgraded clutch
Corksport install and Groundzero tuning with Ralph
stock items:
turbos @ 142,000, blow off valves.
Well I was hoping to make at least 300 rwhp with the above mods @ 12psi but only am getting 263 on a mustang dyno. Is this about right? We tried bumping the boost to 14 psi, but did not make much of a difference...actually:
the boost in the pfc is set for 1.00 but only giving 12 psi on the 2ndary...boost pattern is like 10-8-12.
Perhaps the turbos are 'going?' is there anything plausible to do before going single?
Thanks!
Edgardo
Hey all, I haven't posted much of my activities but here is the general idea:
Mods:
Pineapple "emissions" port
PFC/commander
1300 Secondaries
M2 DP, Apexi N1 dual exhaust, N-Tech High Flow Cat
Greddy 2 row FMIC
Greddy AirInx air filters
Rotary Extreme Power Pulley
Mazdaspeed lightweight chromoly flywheel
Pineapple upgraded clutch
Corksport install and Groundzero tuning with Ralph
stock items:
turbos @ 142,000, blow off valves.
Well I was hoping to make at least 300 rwhp with the above mods @ 12psi but only am getting 263 on a mustang dyno. Is this about right? We tried bumping the boost to 14 psi, but did not make much of a difference...actually:
the boost in the pfc is set for 1.00 but only giving 12 psi on the 2ndary...boost pattern is like 10-8-12.
Perhaps the turbos are 'going?' is there anything plausible to do before going single?
Thanks!
Edgardo
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LT1-7 - Yeah that must have been me in the black FD, you were around?
Hmm my injector duty cycles are around 71% for both primary & 2ndary.
Forgot to mention that I also have supra fuel pump and efini y-pipe (mazdaspeed radiator if this makes a difference).
thanks for everyone's input, i think i'm going to dyno the car 'just for fun' on a non-mustang dyno to see what it gets there. Though i heard mustang dyno's are actually more accurate?
Laters!
Edgardo
Hmm my injector duty cycles are around 71% for both primary & 2ndary.
Forgot to mention that I also have supra fuel pump and efini y-pipe (mazdaspeed radiator if this makes a difference).
thanks for everyone's input, i think i'm going to dyno the car 'just for fun' on a non-mustang dyno to see what it gets there. Though i heard mustang dyno's are actually more accurate?
Laters!
Edgardo
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Originally posted by grinn253
LT1-7 - Yeah that must have been me in the black FD, you were around?
Hmm my injector duty cycles are around 71% for both primary & 2ndary.
Forgot to mention that I also have supra fuel pump and efini y-pipe (mazdaspeed radiator if this makes a difference).
thanks for everyone's input, i think i'm going to dyno the car 'just for fun' on a non-mustang dyno to see what it gets there. Though i heard mustang dyno's are actually more accurate?
Laters!
Edgardo
LT1-7 - Yeah that must have been me in the black FD, you were around?
Hmm my injector duty cycles are around 71% for both primary & 2ndary.
Forgot to mention that I also have supra fuel pump and efini y-pipe (mazdaspeed radiator if this makes a difference).
thanks for everyone's input, i think i'm going to dyno the car 'just for fun' on a non-mustang dyno to see what it gets there. Though i heard mustang dyno's are actually more accurate?
Laters!
Edgardo
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310-320 sounds right for all that. If your turbos are going it wouldn't really make a difference, they're still achieving 12psi all the way to redline, so they're working well enough. Nice numbers though!
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Originally posted by Jason
Our Mustang Dyno reads about 18% lower than a dynojet, but we have calibrated ours to read dynojet numbers.
Our Mustang Dyno reads about 18% lower than a dynojet, but we have calibrated ours to read dynojet numbers.
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There is a good article at www.mustangdyne.com on the differences between the two dynos.
The main difference between the two is the mustang puts a load on the car when dynoing. It trys to simulate driving on the street where as on a dynojet there is very little load. For example, if a car gets 400HP on a dynojet and 328HP on a Mustang dyno. The 328HP is going to be closer to what the car is actually making on the street.
We have ours calibrated to Dynojet numbers because thats what everyone wants to see, even though their car is not making close to those HP figures on the street.
Jason
The main difference between the two is the mustang puts a load on the car when dynoing. It trys to simulate driving on the street where as on a dynojet there is very little load. For example, if a car gets 400HP on a dynojet and 328HP on a Mustang dyno. The 328HP is going to be closer to what the car is actually making on the street.
We have ours calibrated to Dynojet numbers because thats what everyone wants to see, even though their car is not making close to those HP figures on the street.
Jason
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There is a good article at www.mustangdyne.com on the differences between the two dynos.
The main difference between the two is the mustang puts a load on the car when dynoing. It trys to simulate driving on the street where as on a dynojet there is very little load. For example, if a car gets 400HP on a dynojet and 328HP on a Mustang dyno. The 328HP is going to be closer to what the car is actually making on the street.
We have ours calibrated to Dynojet numbers because thats what everyone wants to see, even though their car is not making close to those HP figures on the street.
Jason
There is a good article at www.mustangdyne.com on the differences between the two dynos.
The main difference between the two is the mustang puts a load on the car when dynoing. It trys to simulate driving on the street where as on a dynojet there is very little load. For example, if a car gets 400HP on a dynojet and 328HP on a Mustang dyno. The 328HP is going to be closer to what the car is actually making on the street.
We have ours calibrated to Dynojet numbers because thats what everyone wants to see, even though their car is not making close to those HP figures on the street.
Jason
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Originally posted by Coulthard Fan
I'm not questioning what Jason and others are saying here about the difference between these 2 types of dyno's... I just don't understand it. Can someone explain or point to some articles or something on this?
I'm not questioning what Jason and others are saying here about the difference between these 2 types of dyno's... I just don't understand it. Can someone explain or point to some articles or something on this?
It's like measuring the horsepower of (or trying to tune) your car on a downhill, or on a flat surface. There's a big difference in what loads the engine sees, and thus, how it will react. Engines run differently under load.
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Originally posted by Fd3BOOST
Sounds like someone needs to do some tunning.
Sounds like someone needs to do some tunning.
Are there anymore suggestions for increase HP before going single? (though i don't really want to go single).
Thanks,
Edgardo
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