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Your car has more milage so what exactly makes your car 2-3K more than this one?
Is it because yours is a 95’ and/or white? Doesn’t mean much because the differences between the 93 vs 95 are miniscule and the color is personal preference. I mean it is not like we are talking a 69 Karmann Ghia Vs a 71 Ghia. Where the differences are definitely pronounced and therefore making one more valuable than the other. Not the case for the 93-95 Rx7's as they are rather idebtical minus interior color & texture, extra airbag, RPM cluster ect. And enough white FDs were made that it doesn’t make them “extremely rare”. Low in numbers yes but not extremely rare.
Sorry, forgot to mention it has several bolt ons, FMIC, and all reliability mods done, so it wasn't bone stock. I still agree with Fritz though, it's value is based on supply and demand. In my opinion, I would pay the extra 2k for a white FD if both cars were equally the same (for example: 15k for red, 17k for white).
It's all personal preference but choices or the popularity of those choices do hold value especially when you are talking about the finer things of a collector car.
I just wrote it. I am the source LOL
Seriously though in my experience and all things equal other than the 95 having a fresh engine it's an easy 5k up charge vs the 93 with the high mile stock engine based upon all those preferences/differences listed.
Well I am basing from my experience in the VW collector world. I have a 1971 VW convertible Karmann ghia and as it turns out I apparently made a decent choice when I purchased it. Go figure.... From looking at prices what makes the most difference in price differential is:
1) Convertible V.S. coupe
2) What model year: Why? because there were vast differences in the cars depending what year it came out. From headlights, turn signals, type of seats, seat belts, tail lights, instrument clusters, bumpers, engine sizes, ect the variations differ widely depending on the year. One just can't swap some of those components out and expect it NOT to be glaringly apparent and disliked. Unlike the 93-95 RX-7 where the differences are not sufficient enough to deter normal people from one model year over the other. Like I said the cars are pretty similar.
3) Overall condition
4) Original parts vs cheap repro's
5) Engine mods as long as they are in the approved list
6) Engine swap to larger displacement (as long as it VW aircooled 1500, 1600, 1776 ect)
What most don't put too much stock in is:
1) Original milage
2) Color, repaint, or whatever
3) Engine displacement coinciding with the car's model year.
Yes the most coveted example would be the a right year convertible, original low miles, original color, in showroom condition. However, given how old the Air cooled ghia scene is that is EXTREMELY rare to find and are actual outliers more than anything. I believe the same thing will happen to the FD3S scene. The extremely low milage, original paint, with original working components will be an unicorn in 20+ years. So as long as the car is clean, well taken cared of, has a sunroof or not, will matter the most. Regardless of color and or year.
Originally Posted by Billy7
Sorry, forgot to mention it has several bolt ons, FMIC, and all reliability mods done, so it wasn't bone stock. I still agree with Fritz though, it's value is based on supply and demand. In my opinion, I would pay the extra 2k for a white FD if both cars were equally the same (for example: 15k for red, 17k for white).
Color is really just a personal prefence & mods are a finicky thing... FMIC can be a tough sale however a name brand Vmount will fetch attention. If anything I agree with Gordon:
Originally Posted by gmonsen
I'm pretty sure R1/R2's are the collector ticket. It was the most focused example of what the FD was all about. What cache is there to a "Touring" or "Base" model? I actually doubt color rarity will be that important to collectors.
G
The R models vs all others ARE the biggest differences. Only time will tell which version will be the most coveted.
Well I am basing from my experience in the VW collector world. I have a 1971 VW convertible Karmann ghia and as it turns out I apparently made a decent choice when I purchased it. Go figure.... From looking at prices what makes the most difference in price differential is:
1) Convertible V.S. coupe
2) What model year: Why? because there were vast differences in the cars depending what year it came out. From headlights, turn signals, type of seats, seat belts, tail lights, instrument clusters, bumpers, engine sizes, ect the variations differ widely depending on the year. One just can't swap some of those components out and expect it NOT to be glaringly apparent and disliked. Unlike the 93-95 RX-7 where the differences are not sufficient enough to deter normal people from one model year over the other. Like I said the cars are pretty similar.
3) Overall condition
4) Original parts vs cheap repro's
5) Engine mods as long as they are in the approved list
6) Engine swap to larger displacement (as long as it VW aircooled 1500, 1600, 1776 ect)
What most don't put too much stock in is:
1) Original milage
2) Color, repaint, or whatever
3) Engine displacement coinciding with the car's model year.
Yes the most coveted example would be the a right year convertible, original low miles, original color, in showroom condition. However, given how old the Air cooled ghia scene is that is EXTREMELY rare to find and are actual outliers more than anything. I believe the same thing will happen to the FD3S scene. The extremely low milage, original paint, with original working components will be an unicorn in 20+ years. So as long as the car is clean, well taken cared of, has a sunroof or not, will matter the most. Regardless of color and or year.
Color is really just a personal prefence & mods are a finicky thing... FMIC can be a tough sale however a name brand Vmount will fetch attention. If anything I agree with Gordon:
The R models vs all others ARE the biggest differences. Only time will tell which version will be the most coveted.
The FD is a collector right now and currently the color and year matter a great deal because there is still a good selection. Sure as time goes by you'll be happy to find any model with low miles that's all original and without paint work.
Gordon is right the R cars especially the CYM are the most sought after FDs.
I'm not a collector so I doubt I'll be that guy that has a low mileage FD stored somewhere but now is the time to buy one and bubble wrap it.
The FD is a collector right now and currently the color and year matter a great deal because there is still a good selection. Sure as time goes by you'll be happy to find any model with low miles that's all original and without paint work.
Gordon is right the R cars especially the CYM are the most sought after FDs.
I'm not a collector so I doubt I'll be that guy that has a low mileage FD stored somewhere but now is the time to buy one and bubble wrap it.
Thats the first thing on my list of things to buy when I hit the lotto. Mint 94/95 FD and bubble wrap it
Thats the first thing on my list of things to buy when I hit the lotto. Mint 94/95 FD and bubble wrap it
Probably a lot of us here seriously feel the same way which again is why the values won't be going down or sideways. They will likely go fairly high which sucks for those of us who like to drive these awesome cars.
A low mileage car for 30k is already impractical for me but if the right one comes along I'll likely pull the trigger.
The FD is a collector right now and currently the color and year matter a great deal because there is still a good selection. Sure as time goes by you'll be happy to find any model with low miles that's all original and without paint work.
The FD has just barely entered the collector status/appreciation phase and you are correct there are plenty of good examples out there that is for sure. One thing I have noticed: White FD's appear to have come into style in the last few years. I remember back 12-13 years ago hardly anyone talked about white FD's and the CYM's were the 'preffered' choice & for good reason.
My point to Billy7 was that just because his car is a 95' white FD it doesn't make it worth more than a lower milage, stock, and well taken cared of red car. Granted if all things are equal then yes I will agree white is more coveted, but in this case the two cars aren't equal. In other words there are OTHER factors that play into price not just color.
Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn
I'm not a collector so I doubt I'll be that guy that has a low mileage FD stored somewhere but now is the time to buy one and bubble wrap it.
I hear that. I bought my **** to DRIVE not to store it for the next guy.
The FD has just barely entered the collector status/appreciation phase and you are correct there are plenty of good examples out there that is for sure. One thing I have noticed: White FD's appear to have come into style in the last few years. I remember back 12-13 years ago hardly anyone talked about white FD's and the CYM's were the 'preffered' choice & for good reason.
My point to Billy7 was that just because his car is a 95' white FD it doesn't make it worth more than a lower milage, stock, and well taken cared of red car. Granted if all things are equal then yes I will agree white is more coveted, but in this case the two cars aren't equal. In other words there are OTHER factors that play into price not just color.
I hear that. I bought my **** to DRIVE not to store it for the next guy.
The color preferences with FD's are really strange to me. Even the "worst" combo of sunroof, tan interior, red exterior doesn't look bad to me. In shopping for FD's I was specifically looking for red, no sunroof, black interior so I guess I was lucky that I liked on of the less desired colors. I wonder how often in other cars yellow and white are the most desired colors, lol, I wouldn't think too often.
The color preferences with FD's are really strange to me. Even the "worst" combo of sunroof, tan interior, red exterior doesn't look bad to me. In shopping for FD's I was specifically looking for red, no sunroof, black interior so I guess I was lucky that I liked on of the less desired colors. I wonder how often in other cars yellow and white are the most desired colors, lol, I wouldn't think too often.
Again white is the new black
White 996 GT3s sell for an easy 10k more than red
White 997 GT3s sell for more than some other colors
GREEN 997 GT3 RS cars sell for 50k more than white etc....
Color is a big deal as are options etc....
PS Like you I love red/black but I also like every single color. There isn't a bad factory color
The color preferences with FD's are really strange to me. Even the "worst" combo of sunroof, tan interior, red exterior doesn't look bad to me. In shopping for FD's I was specifically looking for red, no sunroof, black interior so I guess I was lucky that I liked on of the less desired colors. I wonder how often in other cars yellow and white are the most desired colors, lol, I wouldn't think too often.
Yep its a personal choice and we all have preferences. For me favorite FD colors go as follows:
Whats with people not wanting a sunroof? More head room?
Correct. The only legitimate reason IMO is head room.
a) People who track their cars really need the extra room for their helmet
b) Tall individuals
Fritz does have a point that it is heavier on the roof and that is a bad spot, but I believe the extra weight is insignificant when taken into consideration that there is 2800 lbs + driver under those 30 lbs. To actually feel the effects on handling or acceleration due to that extra weigh is quite the feat.
Then there are the posers who think the sunroof actually detracts the FD’s sports car characteristics for their STREET DRIVEN car. You know this forum… If anything it is extreme in the mindset of being as close as possible to having a race car even if the owner never takes his car to the track
**** that… I prefer my FD with: AC, leather seats, comfy ride, & quiet (the quietness went out the window tho ). My **** is street driven and I have no illusions of anything else.
Correct. The only legitimate reason IMO is head room.
a) People who track their cars really need the extra room for their helmet
b) Tall individuals
Fritz does have a point that it is heavier on the roof and that is a bad spot, but I believe the extra weight is insignificant when taken into consideration that there is 2800 lbs + driver under those 30 lbs. To actually feel the effects on handling or acceleration due to that extra weigh is quite the feat.
Then there are the posers who think the sunroof actually detracts the FD’s sports car characteristics for their STREET DRIVEN car. You know this forum… If anything it is extreme in the mindset of being as close as possible to having a race car even if the owner never takes his car to the track
**** that… I prefer my FD with: AC, leather seats, comfy ride, & quiet (the quietness went out the window tho ). My **** is street driven and I have no illusions of anything else.
I hear you brother. My previous FD was base and my current is touring with sunroof and leather seats.
Pricing is subjective.. I have seen people overpay for a lot of bad deals. I got lucky and bought my FD for $9500 under 69000 miles, stock with black interior, properly running and maintained. I have had offers for $16000 it's just who want's to buy it.
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