Rx-7$4$me

Hey everyone, Ive been looking through the old best FMIC threads and such now, and all of them were just when chucks VMIC was about to be released.
but what really is the "best" now after its been out for a bit.

Everyone seems to like the greddy for its cheap price, and more frontal position then the rest of the FMIC. but what about the Blitz, Apexi, or Rx-7 fasion?And which FMIC is actually the most efficiently designed, not just in intercooler design, but availability to have a decent Cold air intake, fin design, and of course better flow for the radiator. It looks like its impossible at this point to maintain a CAI setup with a fmic.

With my current stock intercooler, I have a heatshield that keeps both of my greddy intakes, cold to the touch after driving for anywhere from half an hour to an hour on 70-80 F days. In this temp Most peoples intakes become scolding hot after a good 20 min drive. My heatshield also blocks any hot radiator air from hitting the intakes if I happen to get stuck in traffic. And I believe it was proven with the oil cooler ducting to improve trap speed of 4mph with just colder air. Thats quite alot. We all know we dont want to sacrifice cold air if we didnt have to. which of course leads to the SMIC's

with the smics, whats readily available anymore thats actually EFFICIENT. and I dont mean just efficient to like 13-14 psi.
it seems like the m2's are pretty much impossible to get anymore, or at least an annoying hassle. so that leaves petitt's, CRW ( if u can still get it?) and PFS. unless you want to waste your money on the greddy SMIC. Ihave heard things here and tehre about the ducting raising water temps too as it blocks the raidiator air after it gets pulled through the radiator. Looking at both water temp and intake temps in mind, is this the way to go?

With most FMIC being pretty much impossible for any sort of heat shield, or any form of getting cold air to the turbos and having some problems with water temp ( unless efficient ducting is involed etc etc etc, which with some actual work, and non lazy couch potatoness, is actually easy enough to do, and well worth it)and SMIC's not being quite as efficient and cooling the intake temps as the FMIC or being able to really support a big single,IS chucks, or importing a VMIC the way to go now?. With all viewpoints, it seems like the VMIC would be the best choice for cooling of water temp and intake temps, but to get the full kit and have it used at its full ability one really needs to have a vented hood, the VMIC setup, and some good duct work ( provided with the setup if im not mistaken) which all and all adds up to at least 3-4 k for a great intercooler setup. But! the main question, does the vmic provide a better setup at cooling intake temps, and water temps VS a FMIC with good ducting work, or a perfectly designed SMIC setup?Does it actually cool the intake charge better or equal to that of a FMIC?

I dont mean this to be another stupid thread filled with noob questions, but more of an update at this present time of what the Rx-7 world has available for intercoolers and the efficiency of each. So please, chuck, Jason (rx-7store) Jason (Jt-imports) and anyone who has any solid info about intercooler setups and their design, Dyno charts, water temps, any ducting work you have done, or any info you feel is useful for anyone who reads this thread, please do post. Hopefully this thread wont die, or get into a worthless flame thread.

So please, add what you find useful, and keep the flames down.

(that is of course, if Im not told to search lol)

Steve ( in the market for an intercooler soon

rynberg

Call rx7fashion up. Rick or Dave will explain to you the workings of their FMIC setup. I'm pretty sure Rick still runs the rx7fashion air intake box with the rx7fashion FMIC, but maybe not.

Rx-7$4$me

well, I was looking for for people to post info in this thread for everyone and their future intercooler buyings

rynberg

Here's a few pics with a CAI box:

Rx-7$4$me

Anyone?

Rx-7$4$me

guess this thread is going to the pooper

the_glass_man

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You can get the ASP one's now without any waiting, and people have run more boost (30 psi) on them then you will ever need to.

rynberg

I'm sorry but this thread is pointless, man. Other than the V-mount, there's been no new IC designs for YEARS. There simply isn't a BEST IC for everyone. You research the pros and cons and make your decision. Any of the dozens of other recent (within the last 1-1/2 years) threads will provide more info than you can handle.


Just my 2 cents....

cruiser

I think I'll go with a custom made stock IC and piping. Prices of the IC kits are just too high atm and used ones are hard to come by.

Railgun

I'm hitting either Blitz or HKS. I've done some research, and with some advice from the local tuner and ended up with these.

racer1

The most efficiend FMIC is the one by Apexi with delta fins. A friend of mine used to run a greddy 3 row FMIC on a T51R-kai turbo and at 15psi on a 25C temps the intake temps were varying about 40-60C. He replaced it with the Apexi GT spec and the intake temps dropped to 20-30C

the_glass_man

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Do you have hard evidence to back this up? Your not just taking various temps for the PFC commander are you?
What about pressure drop?

expl0d

I haev a Apexi GT spec for sale if anyones itnrested

cruiser

Blitz SMIC is a bit small, isn't it ?

cruiser

Blitz SMIC is a bit small, isn't it ? I wonder if it gets its job done well...

Kevin T. Wyum

There's a lot of unfounded assumptions despite this thread being so short. The one that really caught my eye was a claim that a person changed from one FMIC to a different FMIC and had a temp drop of 20 to 30 degrees C. Unless he left out that the tests were done in Minnesota in July for the first IC with an ambient temp of 95F and the second tested in January with an ambient temp of -20F I'd have to call him on the carpet and say he's making numbers up.

As for the FMIC vs. SMIC, well I still have yet to see anything proving an FMIC is .00001% more efficient than a well designed SMIC. As someone else mentioned what it really comes down to is that there are pro's and con's to everything and a person has to chose which meets the right balance for them. I'm not quite sure what the pro's are supposed to be for FMIC's still. To drone on a bit more I'd like to hear the rationale behind someone thinking an FMIC is somehow needed or even at all beneficial if you're running higher boost. It makes no sense to claim it helps with higher boost unless the actual core has pressure drop improvements etc. the fact that it's located as an FMIC will have no impact other than increasing lag and making throttle response worse due to additional tubing volume needing to be pressurized. And yes, what used to be known as the M2 IC's are available from the RX7 Store. They're called ASP IC's now which is what they were originally before they were M2 IC's : ). If you have issues with them feel free to ask me as I am the one who designed them and is making them again, or Jason should be able to answer questions as well.

Kevin T. Wyum

paximus

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i absolultely love my m2 medium. sure, i get some heat soak, but it keeps the intake temps down after a few minutes of driving. i get very little pressure drop, and i dont have to go throught the maintenance hassle of fixing my bent fins from rocks once a week. i was just thinking of going to a front mount, but other than the coolness factor of a big *** ic in the mouth of the car, and pressure drop, its not a good trade off.
just my opinion though.

Mahjik

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Hey Kevin,

Do you have piping available for the medium that retains the air pump or is that not possible?

I remember someone asking about this in another thread, however I don't think it was ever answered.

Thanks!

Jonesboro

Kevin,

When you were designing your IC you chose to go with the bar and plate core versus the tube and fin core. Were there any particular reasons why you went this route?

RX-7racer88

I would say greddy is the best bc they use there new smart core technolgy.

LetsGO7

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HKS has a BRAND NEW V-mount, not out yet but soon....you thought Rotary Extreme's kit was big, once you look at the HKS, it will blow your mind. IF you can read Japanese go get the Sept. Issue of REV Speed, Page 150 title "HKSニユーパーツ"

good luck.

-joe

LetsGO7

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holy crap....right click the screen and go under
'encoding' and click japanese.

the_glass_man

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Do you have a picture, or could you scan one?

the_glass_man

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Just how "smart" is it?
Will it keep my car from blowing up?
Pay my bills?
Do long division?

HedgeHog

http://www.hks-power.co.jp/products/...r/fsummer.html