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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 09:31 PM
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Question How to tell the difference between FD and FC trannys?

how can you tell the difference between a fc trany from a fd tranny? (manual)
the reason i ask is because im going to buy a fd tranny tomarrow and i just want to make sure!
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 09:33 PM
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they both work, my friend has an fc tranny in his fd!
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 09:37 PM
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I know but i want a true fd tranny because of gearing
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 10:10 PM
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but i have heard that the fc one is stronger and the gearing in the tail is better then an fd tranny.
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 11:03 PM
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from what i have heard is if you use a fc tranny you have to mess with the mounting and use a ford 9in. i dont want that.
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 11:09 PM
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You'll probably get more help if you use a descriptive title for your post.

Something like "How to tell the difference between FD and FC trannys?"
Just trying to help you out.
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by poss
You'll probably get more help if you use a descriptive title for your post.

Something like "How to tell the difference between FD and FC trannys?"
Just trying to help you out.
EXACTLY
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 11:17 PM
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Hm. Look on the underside for the small (smaller than a deck of cards) warning plate. It says something like 'warning pull type clutch.' As far as I know all FC's are push type so they wouldnt have that plate on it. The plate is located on the passenger underside of the tranny.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 08:35 AM
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The Turbo II FC tranny is a lot different than the FD tranny. For starters the tail shaft area is different, on the FD tranny there are 4 studs for bolting to the powerplant frame, and there are cooling fins where the driveshaft meets the tail section. The FC tranny doesn't use a PPF so it has a more centralized mount which bolts it directly to the frame.

FD tranny has a different extension housing for the shifter that the FC. And as someone mentioned before, the FD clutch is pull style as opposed to the push-style of the FC tranny.

Only way you could use the FC tranny in the FD, while retaining the stock rear end, would be by swapping the bellhousing and tail section from the FC tranny to the FD one. And the FD tranny is stronger so why bother?
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mazpower
The Turbo II FC tranny is a lot different than the FD tranny. For starters the tail shaft area is different, on the FD tranny there are 4 studs for bolting to the powerplant frame, and there are cooling fins where the driveshaft meets the tail section. The FC tranny doesn't use a PPF so it has a more centralized mount which bolts it directly to the frame.

FD tranny has a different extension housing for the shifter that the FC. And as someone mentioned before, the FD clutch is pull style as opposed to the push-style of the FC tranny.

Only way you could use the FC tranny in the FD, while retaining the stock rear end, would be by swapping the bellhousing and tail section from the FC tranny to the FD one. And the FD tranny is stronger so why bother?
What he said.

In addition, the case on the FD tranny has deeper ribs than the TII trans.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 10:58 AM
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I don't know this for sure, but I would bet that the FD tranny has a part number on it that starts with "FD"
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 12:49 PM
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but to be exact an fc tranny WILL go in a fd and it does work: i have seen it in person go into the car, and run.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 12:58 PM
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I know it will work but there are some things you have to change to make it work.

Im getting this tranny for $500 and he's giving me a set of stock turbos free that he just pulled off his car. he is a local guy who does most everyones rotary work. it just almost seems to good to be true because the cheapest i have ever seen an fd tranny is around 1000 or rotary works sells one for 700 but they require a core wich i dont have. he claims that the tranny is in perfect working order and should be ready to bolt up to my fd. The turbos only have minor shaft play.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RXASSASIN7
but to be exact an fc tranny WILL go in a fd and it does work: i have seen it in person go into the car, and run.
I have seen in person 3 rotor FD's but nobody would ever claim the 3 rotor is a substitute part for the 13B because the 3 rotor doesn't fit without making a bunch of changes!

I'm sure the poster merely wants to know how to be certain he's looking at an FD transmission and not what you have seen stuck in other cars.


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the gearing in the tail is better then an fd tranny
Define "better"?
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RXASSASIN7
but to be exact an fc tranny WILL go in a fd and it does work: i have seen it in person go into the car, and run.
It may bolt to the engine without problems, but there are a lot of other things that have to change to make it work, and for $500, you shouldn't be required to change anything.

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on the FD tranny there are 4 studs for bolting to the powerplant frame, and there are cooling fins where the driveshaft meets the tail section. The FC tranny doesn't use a PPF so it has a more centralized mount which bolts it directly to the frame.
Yep. Look for the PPF mounting studs on the tail of the transmission as shown below. They're just to the left of the cover plate (alternate shifter location) in front of the shifter.



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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:33 PM
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To answer the original question...

TurboII tranny on Ebay -
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WDVW

FD tranny on Ebay -

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WDVW

One easy thing to see is the plate held on with 4 bolts right in front of the shifter on the FD tranny. Also, on the FC tranny, notice the black brace - that's the transmission mount, the FD mounts with the powerplant frame.

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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 11:52 AM
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It may bolt to the engine without problems, but there are a lot of other things that have to change to make it work, and for $500, you shouldn't be required to change anything.

Yep. Look for the PPF mounting studs on the tail of the transmission as shown below. They're just to the left of the cover plate (alternate shifter location) in front of the shifter.




OK just to make sure we are on the same page the one on the botom in the first pic and the one on the left in the second one are the fd tranys correct?


Also off topic how do you make those pics so big with the 100k limit? what format are they?
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FD3SR1
OK just to make sure we are on the same page the one on the botom in the first pic and the one on the left in the second one are the fd tranys correct?


Also off topic how do you make those pics so big with the 100k limit? what format are they?
correct, and he hosted them on a different sever and used the (img) tags
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 05:30 PM
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so whats this?
Attached Thumbnails How to tell the difference between FD and FC trannys?-t56_side_view.jpg  
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 06:17 PM
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open the picture in a different window i have something circled.
what is it and is it important?

because the tranny I just bought is missing it, but it is a 3rd gen tranny for sure!
thanks for the information guys!
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FD3SR1
OK just to make sure we are on the same page the one on the botom in the first pic and the one on the left in the second one are the fd tranys correct?
Correct. The one on the right is a Borg Warner T56 6-speed for an LT1 Camaro.

Also off topic how do you make those pics so big with the 100k limit? what format are they?
They're both under the 100k limit, although I'm hosting them myself. Right click and select "properties" and you'll see that they're .jpg files and approximately 45k each.
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 07:14 PM
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so whats this?
It is a vent for the bellhousing. If you don't have the vent it won't be the end of the world but it is a good idea to have it filling the hole to prevent unwanted objects from falling in the bellhousing.
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 09:27 PM
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it doesnt look to hard to fab. one that would work right?
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 09:34 PM
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can some one give me some measurements so i know how big to make it?
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Just buy a new or used one. It might be the same one used on 86+ cars NA and turbo.
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