spekdah

I dun a search but to no avail

SpeedKing

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What's the point of spending $1000+ for something the stock ECU does for free?

spekdah

what, so the stock ECU can alter your ignition and fuel maps?

SiKoPaThX

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no, but the point is, why pay that much for something you don't need right now?
I couldn't imagine getting THAT much more power. I would also guess that with a stock setup, the stock ECU would be more reliable as far as fuel delivery.

spoolin93r1

there are gains to be made. with just a full exhaust, a power fc, and the boost on 15psi, i put down 313whp. that's around 100 more to the wheels than stock. only bad thing is, the stock intercooler sucks for that much boost

SpeedKing

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At best, you'd lose the 3K hesitation (if you have it), and maybe get *slightly* better drivability.

Most people get the PowerFC to accomodate higher boost levels w/ more mods. For a stock car, it's pointless to have.

cloud9

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down the road a PFC is required anyway (basically) so why not get it first, no harm can be done.

BLKTOPTRVL

The harm is that you are paying now for something you may not ever need in the future. You never know what might happen to the car before you need the ecu.

spekdah

yeah, basically I'm selling one and I got guy who has a stock FD which he is going to trick out so he was asking me how much HP he could get stock before he does his FD up

turbojeff

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Getting more HP from a stock FD with the PFC will just reduce any level of safety margin in tuning the stock ECU has.

The stock IC is not too good, so intake temps are high, with the PFC you can raise the boost and make intake temps even hotter.

The stock ECU also runs pig rich under boost, you could lean it out and get some more power. Advancing the timing is probably a similar story, the PFC will allow changes that will probably result in more HP.

Doing any of the mods like this will reduce the stock engine life, possibly killing it the same day you "tune" the PFC for more HP on the stock car.

Icemastr

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220rwhp.

estrada42

Out of curiosity, how long do you suppose a relativly fresh engine could last under those conditions? What if a FMIC and a good radiator were added to the mix?

spoolin93r1

with a front mount, it would probably be fine. my afr was 11.5 and under. i popped my original motor, but i'm still thinking it was due to age and the stock intercooler. that was also non-sequential

birdy01

yea and wen later on down the road it'll cost u 500 instead of 1000